WAR (Warhammer Online)

To be honest i think Mythic missed a trick by making this game RVR at all. There are plenty of RVR games out there now, DAoC, WoW, even LOTRO is RVR if you count monster play. I know the whole background of Warhammer is the 'war' between the different races but to be honest i think that should have maybe been a backstory as opposed to the main thrust of the game. You can't walk anywhere in WAR without the constant sound of battle ringing in your ears. At first it's exciting but after a while becomes annoying and there's no respite from it. Even real wars have quiet periods. Also, where is the night time and where is the weather? WAR landscape does look good, even better than AoC i'd say but i don't get the sense i'm in a real world, especially with all the repetitive combat animations going off all around me. I must have seen those Orcs attacks those Elf archers a thousand times, yawn.

There is lots to like about this game. They are the first game to get High Elves and Dark Elves right in my opinion, and the starting areas look great as do the mobs and the character avatars. I just wish it was a PVE game, with the war as the backstory, like in LOTRO. In Lord of the Rings the war is going on, there are camps of goblins etc... everywhere, but it doesn't drive you through the game, it provides background for RP and quests.

Just a a few early thoughts. Good game, but too contrived and not varied enough so far. Also it is far too much like WoW, but that's not Warhammer's fault since Warcraft ripped off the Warhammer tabletop game in the first place. Wow just got there first. Shame really.
 

Originally posted by Matt_UK

 You can't walk anywhere in WAR without the constant sound of battle ringing in your ears.
 

This is one of the things that will make this game a success.  There are two few games with this much action and excitement out now. You can literally play this MMO a few hours a day and feel like you accomplished something. Most other games are not like this. WAR is now here, and it is owning.

I'd say they've done a fine job with RvR as it is. My only problem is that it's split up a bit too much. While that gives variety so you can go somewhere else if you get bored - for some reason, people like to mainly congregate over in the Empire areas and the other two are nearly deserted.

To me, if there was a little more incentive to fight in all three areas, and they made the servers stable enough to hold more people, then I think the game would be much better.

Also, maybe a bit more incentive to do Public Quests might be nice too. Generally people will just grind on the easiest one in a chapter to get their influence maxed out, and then they'll move on.

However I love the atmosphere of the game, and it's definitely something that shoudln't be changed.

If there wasn't RvR it wouldn't be warhammer.. And some could argue there are more than enough PVE games also..

Alot of people seem to forget that WAR was designed after the original game.. Not off some other MMO.. If you look at the models the abilities and the world around.. You see Warhammer everywhere.. And thats the point.. If you want no RvR, more Pve, diffrent graphice.. Well there are other games to play.. If you want to play Warhammer.. Then that is what you have.. /shrug

I guess the OP never defended a keep against a big horde of enemy players. Or pitched oil over them or knocked on a door with a battering ram. Or rolled for an epic loot bag dropped by a keep lord.

Yesterday night I have been doing that kind of stuff non stop for 5 hours, I gained a renown rank and had shit loads of fun. People saying "Wow, this is what WAR is about ..." says enough really. We all had a blast and think it's the most fun part of the game.

It is the one part of the game which is a canvas for players who like to organise stuff together and enjoy the freedom of doing that outside in the world instead of in instances and get rewarded for doing so.

Originally posted by Matt_UK

To be honest i think Mythic missed a trick by making this game RVR at all. There are plenty of RVR games out there now, DAoC, WoW, even LOTRO is RVR if you count monster play. I know the whole background of Warhammer is the 'war' between the different races but to be honest i think that should have maybe been a backstory as opposed to the main thrust of the game. You can't walk anywhere in WAR without the constant sound of battle ringing in your ears. At first it's exciting but after a while becomes annoying and there's no respite from it. Even real wars have quiet periods. Also, where is the night time and where is the weather? WAR landscape does look good, even better than AoC i'd say but i don't get the sense i'm in a real world, especially with all the repetitive combat animations going off all around me. I must have seen those Orcs attacks those Elf archers a thousand times, yawn.

There is lots to like about this game. They are the first game to get High Elves and Dark Elves right in my opinion, and the starting areas look great as do the mobs and the character avatars. I just wish it was a PVE game, with the war as the backstory, like in LOTRO. In Lord of the Rings the war is going on, there are camps of goblins etc... everywhere, but it doesn't drive you through the game, it provides background for RP and quests.

Just a a few early thoughts. Good game, but too contrived and not varied enough so far. Also it is far too much like WoW, but that's not Warhammer's fault since Warcraft ripped off the Warhammer tabletop game in the first place. Wow just got there first. Shame really.
 

Not that i like WAR but how the hell do you come to the point that wow is rvr or lotro? You do know what rvr means don`t you? Realm v Realm,so please explain to me where WOW and lotro have any form of Realm v Realm combat.

WOW is everyone agaist everyone else,their is no rvr combat going on in wow,as a matter of fact they have the different factions working together to open silly portals and instances all for the WAR effort.

I will say...

Mythic have killed their RVR reputation by  trying to make out that WAR is a true RV R game.

DAOC is the only RVR game that is true RVR not WAR which is nothing like RVR you get in DAOC.

Mythic missed the chance to make a really great RVR game similar to DAOC, instead they went the WOW route and missed the boat.

In six months time look at the amount of people still playing WAR.It feels like a single rpg with counter strike pvp as the central focus,it was a let down. Yeah i know many people at the moment like it but let`s see how many of them same people are still playing 6 months down the road.

Their is nothing mmorpg about war it just doent have the right feel to be called a mmorpg.

Way to gp Mythic, they should of made  DAOC 2 but they needed a big IP to compete with WOW. It will come to haunt them in the future.

Originally posted by Matt_UK

To be honest i think Mythic missed a trick by making this game RVR at all. There are plenty of RVR games out there now, DAoC, WoW, even LOTRO is RVR if you count monster play. I know the whole background of Warhammer is the 'war' between the different races but to be honest i think that should have maybe been a backstory as opposed to the main thrust of the game. You can't walk anywhere in WAR without the constant sound of battle ringing in your ears. At first it's exciting but after a while becomes annoying and there's no respite from it. Even real wars have quiet periods. Also, where is the night time and where is the weather? WAR landscape does look good, even better than AoC i'd say but i don't get the sense i'm in a real world, especially with all the repetitive combat animations going off all around me. I must have seen those Orcs attacks those Elf archers a thousand times, yawn.

There is lots to like about this game. They are the first game to get High Elves and Dark Elves right in my opinion, and the starting areas look great as do the mobs and the character avatars. I just wish it was a PVE game, with the war as the backstory, like in LOTRO. In Lord of the Rings the war is going on, there are camps of goblins etc... everywhere, but it doesn't drive you through the game, it provides background for RP and quests.

Just a a few early thoughts. Good game, but too contrived and not varied enough so far. Also it is far too much like WoW, but that's not Warhammer's fault since Warcraft ripped off the Warhammer tabletop game in the first place. Wow just got there first. Shame really.
 

Complete and utter nonsense!

We need more RvR games not more PvE games. Nearly every mmo available is a PvE game. Why churn out yet another one? I want to have the option to play against other players if I want to and I want my actions to matter to at least some degree. If I'm gonna be slaughtering things for hours (yes thats what mmos are all about.....sorry but its true) then I want to be able to have some impact on the game.

Plenty of RvR games? What on earth are you talking about?! DAoC is old and totally out of date now. WoW is not an RvR game. Its a PvE game with an RvR backstory. Yes you can fight other players in it but your battles have no meaning in the game so its pointless. LotR is not an RvR game either (are you living on the same planet as the rest of us?) in any sense at all and no monster play doesnt count. LotR is about as PvE as you can get unless you count boring old Vanguard.

The only mistake Mythic seems to have made with WAR is in fact the complete opposite of what you said. It needs MORE RvR content and LESS PvE content. I dont need my games to tell me stories because stories = static gameworld. Stories hard-coded into the game cannot be changed or influenced by the players. I want to create my own adventures not have the game tell them to me. Besides if I want to read a story I have plenty of great books to read that make these mmos look like Spot the Dog.

You find it annoying that there is constant war in Warhammer? Well sorry but you came to the wrong game. Its not a "world" for you to roleplay in......its a game which is about a big never-ending war. In fact NONE of the other mmos are worlds either so its great to see an mmo get released that isnt pretending to be something that it clearly isnt. How many "worlds" have you seen where every single participant has exactly the same experience over and over again while being unable to effect each other? Doesnt sound like a world to me. Sounds more like a single player game on "massively multiplay co-operative mode".

WAR isnt perfect and it still suffers from the boring PvE design that makes all the other mmos crap but at least it has taken some steps in the right direction. Hopefully more games will take up the challenge and move towards game design that allows players to have some kind of impact on the game world and the players in it.

Originally posted by Matt_UK You can't walk anywhere in WAR without the constant sound of battle ringing in your ears. At first it's exciting but after a while becomes annoying and there's no respite from it. Even real wars have quiet periods.

Actual warfare seems "annoying"?

The feel and call of a constant battle feels "Annoying"?

You and I couldn't be more opposite if you tried. The fact that they immerse me in the sense that I am a Hero in a War and that everything we do can affect our side and matters in the world, IS AWESOME.

Some people just can't be satisfied. "Oh gosh, this makes me feel there is this war constantly going on around me. I want some times to feel like peace broke out for no apparent reason".

How about wishing the game made you feel you were at the Circus and eating popcorn?

"This game that promsies the feel of constant war delivered on it...Oh drat! "

Sheesh!

Warhammer made no secret it's about a constant war. You may want to go play World War II online and start complaining they need to make it feel more like WWI and to have peaceful zones where you can frolic instead of "This constant invading stuff"