I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. Warhammer and Darkfall are criticized for the same thing. All this applies to both games. People hate because it's different. They hate because it doesn't take advantage of the latest and greatest hardware and graphics. They hate because of graphics and animations. They hate because of spell effects and interface. They say that it's not coming out this year, or the next year, or ever. They hate because of the publisher, they hate because of the studio. They hate because they're 10 years old, they hate because they're 50 years old. They troll to see you defend your hopes of a great game. They say its not in beta, they say its vaporware.  They hate because its not WoW and they hate because its too much like WoW.

But when its all said and done, will it affect how good the game is for you? Not a chance. You'll like it if the developers held up all their promises and made the best game they could make.

This is how it was for Warhammer fans. Now you see we can boast about the current success of the game, and hopefully continue to laugh at the trolls in the future.

I just want to let you know that I am going to reserve my judgement until it is released, and there will be lots of others too. Because we know exactly what its like.

I hope Darkfall is a success, because ultimately any competition to any MMO will only bring about better MMO's. There is no reason there can't be multiple #1 MMO's for their given genre, be it Sci Fi or Fantasy or Super Hero. 

I may not play Darkfall, but I'll be playing the game I waited years for too, and thats all that matters, right?

hmm Warhammer isn't really different, its pretty mainstream RvR mmorpg, with the same combat mechanics that have been used in most mmorpgs since eq - tab targetting - heatseeking missiles, etc.

And it wasn't hated before launch, it had insane high hype rating here on mmorpg.com.

So I don't really understand how you can put it in same category as DF - DF is so fundamentally different from all the mainstream mmorpgs that it seems to be a whole other game...

But thanks for your concern.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different. They hate because it doesn't take advantage of the latest and greatest hardware and graphics. They hate because of graphics and animations. They hate because of spell effects and interface. They say that it's not coming out this year, or the next year, or ever. They hate because of the publisher, they hate because of the studio. They hate because they're 10 years old, they hate because they're 50 years old. They troll to see you defend your hopes of a great game. They say its not in beta, they say its vaporware.  They hate because its not WoW and they hate because its too much like WoW.

But when its all said and done, will it affect how good the game is for you? Not a chance. You'll like it if the developers held up all their promises and made the best game they could make.

This is how it was for Warhammer fans. Now you see we can boast about the current success of the game, and hopefully continue to laugh at the trolls in the future.

I just want to let you know that I am going to reserve my judgement until it is released, and there will be lots of others too. Because we know exactly what its like.

I hope Darkfall is a success, because ultimately any competition to any MMO will only bring about better MMO's. There is no reason there can't be multiple #1 MMO's for their given genre, be it Sci Fi or Fantasy or Super Hero. 

I may not play Darkfall, but I'll be playing the game I waited years for too, and thats all that matters, right?

I personaly didn't enjoy Warhammer but I give it props. It went towards the Old School era as well.

Warhammer has a chance to bring back the DAoC style of gamming

DF has the chance to bring back the UO style of Gamming.

It will be nice for the future if both of these games do well for the simple fact that we may have more options in the future if we tire of our respective games. If the only MMORPG available if and when I ever tire of DF is WoW or a WoW type of MMORPG I'd nerd rage lol. After doing a 9 year stint with UO though I doubt I will tire of DF any time soon lol .

Originally posted by KhaelSan

hmm Warhammer wasn't really different, if any mmorpg was mainstream, Warhammer was it. And it wasn't hated either, it had insane high hype rating here on mmorpg.com.

So I don't really understand how you can put it in same category as DF - but thanks for your concern.

Warhammer went under the same scrutiny though. It continues to do so today. Thats the point I was trying to make.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

I am hoping Darkfall is the game that I thought Warhammer would be.  WAR is OK but the whole RvR feels boxed up and with no real loss if you lose there doesnt seem to be any point.  Darkfall from what I read and see on the video looks like a proper RvR game with large areas to defend and attack.  I want to feel pain if you lose a territory and see the enemy circling around so when you fight back and win it means something. 

The minute the game is launched AoC and WAR will be so gone on my HDD

Originally posted by chryses

I am hoping Darkfall is the game that I thought Warhammer would be.  WAR is OK but the whole RvR feels boxed up and with no real loss if you lose there doesnt seem to be any point.  Darkfall from what I read and see on the video looks like a proper RvR game with large areas to defend and attack.  I want to feel pain if you lose a territory and see the enemy circling around so when you fight back and win it means something. 

The minute the game is launched AoC and WAR will be so gone on my HDD

darkfall isn't a RvR game and it's nothing like WAR lol

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict inter-woven throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I came here to try to show my appreciation for what you guys are going through but you're really starting to make it difficult to like the community. The game may end up being good, but if you continue down the road to assholism you may very well pay for it if the game gets shut down due to lack of subscribers.

Don't judge the community based of 1 person

Originally posted by Vindicoth

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

O rly, what about EVE Online?

By the way, I personally play WAR. It's fun, but the PvP isn't really that consensual at all.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

I came here to try to show my appreciation for what you guys are going through but you're really starting to make it difficult to like the community. The game may end up being good, but if you continue down the road to assholism you may very well pay for it if the game gets shut down due to lack of subscribers.

Don't take any of the above personal Vindicoth.  War is a very good IP in my opinion. I got into the table top many years ago, If they have the same Artists doing the Artwork I would imagine some parts of the game just look fantastic. I am not a fan of limited PvP so war just isn't for me. I want the right to PK someone thats being an arse when there being an arse not have to wait till there outside of town or in a PvP area.

For what War is it seems to do a good job and I am sure those that Were into DAoC and similar games are going to have a ton of fun in War. It's not a bad game. The concept and all seem solid just not my favorite style of MMIORPG.

We have a few from the War community here as well trolling and flamming constantly so that may have made some take an adverse look at War.

gamerman98 would be a good example.  I for one appreciate the sentiment and am sorry to hear it's been happening to you guys as well and will not hold a few bad apples against your game or community. In any case I am sure that those above you don't mean any harm. For some it's become an automatic reaction due in large part to the actions you posted about. So I will appologise for some of the reactions you got. The DarkFall community as a whole is a good one once you get to know them.
 

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

No, I'm saying that because it can be backed up with actual proof, I'm not just spouting random shit. 

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by chryses

I am hoping Darkfall is the game that I thought Warhammer would be.  WAR is OK but the whole RvR feels boxed up and with no real loss if you lose there doesnt seem to be any point.  Darkfall from what I read and see on the video looks like a proper RvR game with large areas to defend and attack.  I want to feel pain if you lose a territory and see the enemy circling around so when you fight back and win it means something. 

The minute the game is launched AoC and WAR will be so gone on my HDD

darkfall isn't a RvR game and it's nothing like WAR lol

I realise its not WAR but the point I am making is that I expected a lot more from WAR.  Darkfall is open PvP with large scale warfare and sandbox as I am sure you know.  I can see how my post may have been slightly confusing.

Originally posted by lotharr

Originally posted by Vindicoth

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

O rly, what about EVE Online?

By the way, I personally play WAR. It's fun, but the PvP isn't really that consensual at all.

Eve online is a pretty good example, but it doesn't impact the whole server community in a way that having your capital city taken from you impacts a Warhammer server, although it is temporary.

The problem with Eve Online is its steep learning curve and annoyingly long skill training times. I'd much prefer a system like Ultima Online used many years ago. Also, the Eve world just isnt' that interesting to too many people. It's a Niche game, like WAR, but with a much smaller audience.

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

No, I'm saying that because it can be backed up with actual proof, I'm not just spouting random shit. 

So you can prove its not a good game?.. Really?

Please. Go ahead. Use facts and not opinions.

Eve may have a smaller audience now, but I am willing to bet that EvE will have more subscribers than WAR 6 months from now.

But this thread is about Darkfall.  It has so much to offer...some of it new and some of it old. 

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by lotharr

Originally posted by Vindicoth

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

O rly, what about EVE Online?

By the way, I personally play WAR. It's fun, but the PvP isn't really that consensual at all.

 

Eve online is a pretty good example, but it doesn't impact the whole server community in a way that having your capital city taken from you impacts a Warhammer server, although it is temporary.

The problem with Eve Online is its steep learning curve and annoyingly long skill training times. I'd much prefer a system like Ultima Online used many years ago. Also, the Eve world just isnt' that interesting to too many people. It's a Niche game, like WAR, but with a much smaller audience.

I'm sorry but you must've never played Eve. Eve doesn't have instanced. The battles actually MEAN something. Wars and systems being taken over can effect server wide easily. War is mostly instanced battles right? You fight the battle, then the same battle just resets??? I dont understand how that could be fun to anybody, but I wont pass judgement. War is about as mainstream as it gets.

Eve is sandbox, FFA pvp with a meaning with risk and reward and sometimes DEVASTATING losses. Darkfall reminds me alot of a more fantasy version of Eve, which is why im droolign waiting for it

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by chryses

I am hoping Darkfall is the game that I thought Warhammer would be.  WAR is OK but the whole RvR feels boxed up and with no real loss if you lose there doesnt seem to be any point.  Darkfall from what I read and see on the video looks like a proper RvR game with large areas to defend and attack.  I want to feel pain if you lose a territory and see the enemy circling around so when you fight back and win it means something. 

The minute the game is launched AoC and WAR will be so gone on my HDD

darkfall isn't a RvR game and it's nothing like WAR lol

People seem to forget a point, DarkFall is FFA PvP/RvR with full loot.

Alfar - Count as a sort of a realm on there own. They get a penalty* for killing other Alfar and alignment bonuses for killing any other race.

Mihirm & Orcs - Count as another realm sort of as well. They can kill any other race and recieve alignment rewards but can't kill each other without recieving penalty*

Humans, Dwarves and Mirdain - Count as yet a 3rd Realm sort of. They can kill any other race besides each other and recieve an alignment buff, kill each other they recieve penalty*

*Penalty for killing an allied race is the following.

1) Your flagged as a criminal and can freely be killed by your once allied races.

2) can not enter towns that were once friendly to you without getting attacked by guards and or other players.

3) NPC's that were once friendly to you will no longer barter with you, give you quests or allow you to learn skills from them.

The only way to bring your alignment back up is by killing races that arent within your races alliance.

This does not effect clans that are at war with another clan. They may kill the other clan members without any penalties even if there of the same race or an allied race. Your clan must have declared War for there to be no penalty.

As for the FFA PvP. Well there are no safe zones as long as people don't mind the penalty they may attack you anywhere. This does make the fair game for anyone though and NPC guards will attack them if they see them and NPC's will no longer deal with them if they were of an Allied race. If they arent of an allied race and are an enemy race they will be attacked on sight if they visit a town friendly to your race or your allied races.

This limits the ammount of Ganking that will happen to some extent which is great.

So yes DarkFall is FFA PvP

And Yes DarkFall is RvR it's just a much more complicated and intruiging RvR than has currently been seen in other MMORPG's and some either don't know this or don't understand it yet.

To me this gives a certain Difficulty to the Races.

The saffest Race's to play = Human, Dwarf and Mirdain. You have more friendly towns and less enemy races.

The meduim safety races = Orcs and Mihirm. You have more friendly area's than Alfar and less enemy races.

The least safe race to play = Alfar. Every other race is an Enemy and you have the least ammount of friendly towns. I am playing an Alfar. Why? lol simple, no matter who I kill I will get an alignment + muah haa haa haa haa. Well as long as there not another Alfar.

Originally posted by KhaelSan

hmm Warhammer isn't really different, its pretty mainstream RvR mmorpg,

RvR has only been in one other game to date, so no, it is pretty different.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

I don't know any sale/sub numbers for DAoC, but when the hell did LOTRO become "extremely successful"?

And Betelguez is correct, WAR isn't "different", just read any forum to find loads of posts/threads where players call it WoW 2 etc. I'm not saying I agree with all those posts, but for a lot of ppl, there's nothing new about WAR.

What becomes of DF is yet to be seen, I don't trust the hype and need to see it for myself before I can judge it, but that will probably never happen since I doubt it will ever be released.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

I don't know any sale/sub numbers for DAoC, but when the hell did LOTRO become "extremely successful"?

And Betelguez is correct, WAR isn't "different", just read any forum to find loads of posts/threads where players call it WoW 2 etc. I'm not saying I agree with all those posts, but for a lot of ppl, there's nothing new about WAR.

What becomes of DF is yet to be seen, I don't trust the hype and need to see it for myself before I can judge it, but that will probably never happen since I doubt it will ever be released.

Since all those games had over 500k Subscribers? Thats pretty successful in the MMO world, even though blizzard shattered those numbers.

Too bad successful does not  = good game

I'm done here. Theres no reasoning with Mr. Mc Poopy Pants. I've seen him all over these forums.

Good luck with your game, I hope it does good.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I'm done here. Theres no reasoning with Mr. Mc Poopy Pants. I've seen him all over these forums.

Good luck with your game, I hope it does good.

Mr ehh? I like that!!