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9/27/08 2:17:56 AM#26
Going to sit on the fence for this one because I like both games. AoC has a much better combat system with so many ways of playing the same character and really knowing your combos. Besides the gore and much better graphics it wins hands down. WAR has a simplified system so that anyone and everyone can jump in and start swinging their swords around. I know it becomes more interesting with morale boosts etc. However I think they went this route to attract casual gamers and maybe to reduce the lag on large scale battles. Big advantage with WAR is that I can log in and within 2 minutes be in a scenario fighting away. If AoC brought in a similar system and brought in a quick pvp scenario then it would seriously rock. |
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9/27/08 2:22:05 AM#27
Originally posted by DuraheLL
Nonono, it's the whole "I really like bananas, but once I ate an orange and I hated it, so now I just eat bananas again" - thing that's so hilarious
Im not saying one is better then the other but yes there are foods I have tryed and dont like and there are foods I have tryed and have liked so what your point. |
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9/27/08 2:41:49 AM#28
Originally posted by DuraheLL
You just failed so hard you choked on your own words! There have been no fanboy posts so far, only the rightful responces towards a laughable troll post :D over 10 million people play WoW, they're fine with the combat as is. Why am I saying that? Because WAR is pretty much the CLASSIC MMORPG combat, the way it's always been. That the OP mentioned AoC is just even more laughable! And the way he expressed himself overall in a hateful, upset and angry way made me spill my drink over my shirt :D Oh, and you obviously don't like this game, maby you should get away from here? Or are you secretly in love with the game that you have to be here anyway? :D
Wow there..I can say for sure not the way its always been.... Asherons had the best combat system in any MMO it was actually twitched base and took real skill to pull it off..That games pvp made you or broke you, and it was all you... So please don't go saying its the way its always been. |
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9/27/08 2:47:46 AM#29
There are some people who will like the different combat system of AoC and that is fine. Does it make the AoC combat system better than anything else out there? Not hardly. Personally, when I am fighting in PvP and I have a player running around me in circles the last thing I want to be concerned about is having to push 3+ different buttons in a certain sequence. I prefer to focus all my attention on strategy rather than cumbersome gaming mechanics. Yes, the AoC combat system might be fine for PvE but for PvP it just makes the battles more confusing and not very fun at all. The combat mechanics in WAR are just fine for the game. It is what the majority of players in MMOs are used to and that allows a player to enjoy the games content instead of dinking around with the game's mechanics instead. Basically, when I log into a game I want less of a learning curve regarding interfaces and mechanics and more on focusing on enjoying the game's content. To the OP. Im glad you are enjoying playing AoC. Perhaps if enough people go back to AoC it might actually save the game enough to be a niche game instead of it failing completely. |
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9/27/08 2:50:02 AM#30
Originally posted by Clada
Exactly, you played the beta. I have played and purchased both. Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated. |
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Ghost12
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9/27/08 2:50:09 AM#31
Originally posted by Clada
They should know how combat is. Its better than WoW and AoC. Im glad we agree.
If your going to say that, fine. Why is it better? At least back what you say up.
I'm sorry Clada, but if you dont like Warhammer Online and if you post about it on these forums, you will be labeled a troll, no matter what. The truth is, no one wants to hear how bland and underwhelming this game is because its the only AAA game that came out in a relatively good state in the last 5 years, and people are sick of WoW. Too bad its WoW but simply with a PvP focus in mind. I find it laughable that in a scenario I "die" and less than 30 seconds later im back in combat with not even a scratch, lawl. And no, I can tell you right now the combat isnt better than WoW or AOC's...its just done with a little bit more of a twist, action points instead of mana, and a seperate "build up/release" mechanism. Same shit. |
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9/27/08 3:25:21 AM#32
I dont see why this thread gets responses... this should be locked. its an obvious troll post. Worst combat system ever? who are you? so you played ever game and with some miracle formula decided that WaR has the worst combat system ever? is it maybe because you played to lvl 5 and had only a couple of spells? Is it you have an ADD disorder? Is it because your a WoW fanboy? is it because your a TROLL? I like to think is a combination of all.
playing: Dragon Age |
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9/27/08 3:53:48 AM#33
Originally posted by Clada I am sorry for you. |
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9/27/08 4:02:43 AM#34
The big difference between thoose games are that WARs combat gets better as you level up while AoC just becomes worse (just like the rest of the game)... So if you are running around as a lvl 3 healer in WAR the combat will probably feel very boring... If WoW = The Beatles |
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9/27/08 4:21:17 AM#35
Originally posted by Keeper2000 I am sorry for you.
Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC. |
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9/27/08 4:30:42 AM#36
Originally posted by DeadJester Don't be he likes AoC good for him. Not liking AoC wont make WAR any better or worse so saying things like WAR is better then AoC means nothing to the players playing AoC, just like players saying AoC is better then WAR wont matter to the players playing WAR. So again bashing AoC to make your point is pointless and it will never make another game better then it already is. same is said for AoC. It wont make WAR or any other game better or worst... but... I am still sorry for him.
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9/27/08 7:52:59 AM#37
Originally posted by Clada
Except you're not simply posting opinions. You're using absurd hyperbole and arguing that other people can't possibly have a valid opinion because they don't agree with you. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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9/27/08 7:58:54 AM#38
Originally posted by Clada
Exactly, you played the beta. I have played and purchased both. Yes you press buttons in AOC, of course you press buttons to cast spells, there is no voice control in these games. In WAR everything is SLOW, combat is slow, spellcasting is slow, leveling is slow. It feels like it's going back to the roots of EQ1.
I've played and purchased both games, and in my opinion AoC is the same shit as any other game just disguised in a more annoying package. Why click 3 buttons to do what could be done by clicking one? The sleeper awakes...and rides his dirtbike to the mall. |
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9/27/08 8:04:05 AM#39
WAR is a good mmo... but the combat system does suck imho |
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9/27/08 8:59:35 AM#40
Originally posted by Clada
I think the problem is people dont play any other mmo's other then a few. So they "think" these games are amazing and apparently every other game sucks. I could see people getting mad if I came on here saying the game blows. I never did, I find the combat and game too slow which makes me dislike the game.
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage. |
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9/27/08 9:33:35 AM#41
Originally posted by Rytif
HAHA... said the guy who plays EVE.. the spreadsheet MMO. Yeah, because you know good combat in a MMO when it hits you upside the glasses.
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
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9/27/08 9:36:15 AM#42
Originally posted by Borkotron Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion. But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn :D And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities. |
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9/27/08 9:38:57 AM#43
Originally posted by Loke666 Actually that's the problem, we getting the same stuff all the time. AoC did have a great combat system but some whiners of the early beta changed it to the hybrid we see today so it would feel more like a regular MMO. We should relly have an MMO where the combat system is closer to Oblivion. But there is at least a game with a new and intresting combat system that releases soon, Spellborn :D And I'm not complaining about just WAR, but all MMOs... When I started Meridian 59 we had almost the same system we have today and while it works it is a shame that all frigging MMOs use it or at least almost all. There is so many more possibilities.
if you want a game with combat system like oblivion ... there are 3 real good ones imo coming out one you mentioned is the chronicles of spellborn(27-11-2008) other is mortal online (summer 2009) and last and my personal favorite DARKFALL (end 2008) |
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Sixfeetunder
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Joined: 2/19/07
----------------------Game: EQ 1&2 - SWG - WoW - DnL - DDO - Vanguard - AoC - WAR -Aion - Rift |
9/27/08 9:46:49 AM#44
Originally posted by Wildbeard
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
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9/27/08 10:10:18 AM#45
Originally posted by Sixfeetunder
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
exactly...this for that don'tlike wow and war system combat... i like DDO and AoC system
It funny how you say whole game sucks on basis of combat when there are other million things to enjoy about the RVR system. On the other hand once you get over the excitement that combat gives you in AOC what else are you left with? AOC is a shallow game. more like a piece of turd, sprayed with perfume and packed in nice pink box with a pink ribbon on the top. All fluff and no real content.
yesterday i took part in Tier 2 RVR, close to 200 players were fighting eachother. Order side holed Destruction in there warcamp and they couldn't even step out. They were beaten on there own turf. It lasted for several hours. The most amazing PVP i ever had. I have played AOC and never had such a fantastic gameplay. But whiners will always complain. Crying about graphics and button mashing when AOC combat system is also the same button smashing with added few perks, is all they can come up with. But all your arguments are weak considering War's gameplay is 100 times better than AOC. if you got something else bring it on. i will shut you up nicely with some more REAL facts.
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9/27/08 10:16:41 AM#46
I agree that its the typical boring combat system similar to WoW/Vanguard/EQII etc. When soloing anyway. In groups you'll see soon enough that the classes complement each other very well. RvR in this game (in the open areas, not scenarios) is a blast! Open group system ftw! I never experienced so much spontaneous castle sieges and warcamp defending before in a MMO. The scenarios however show the usual WoW like uncoordinated battlegrounds crap. Those are only fun when I go with guildies. |
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9/27/08 10:26:33 AM#47
Originally posted by Wildbeard
i think what OP means is that combat in AOC is much more active because you decide WHEN and WHERE you hit . Combat is much more realistic , fluent and fun in AOC and its great performing a combo and seeing alot of different fatalities. WAR combat system is like WOW. ...get a target.....use ability 1 .2 .3 .4. and again etc AOC you could block getting yer shield or swords up ...you can dodge to sides etc its what i call active combat like you have in DDO ...and soon in DARKFALL (wooot)
THough WAR has a great lore and a good rvr PQ system . ofcourse each to their own ....some people prefer an easy and simple combat system like in WAR.
I agree with the essence of how you described combat in WAR, and I have no direct experience with AoC, so my input on that point is of limited value. However, the main point that has failed to be made here is that some people prefer "traditional" MMORPG style combat, and some people prefer "video game console" style combat. There is no implicit truth that one style of combat is inherently better or worse than another. There is only a matter of personal preference as to which style you enjoy using. Personally, I admittedly suck at playing console video games. Why I play PC games in the first place is so I'm not a 41 year old guy competing with the reflexes of a 14 year old kid. There is no faster "twitch" pattern memorization (ABAAABX for the win!) skill in WAR, and for that I'm glad. WAR actually requires some application of tatical awareness and strategic thinking, and that gives me an advantage over a typical "twitch" minded short attention span 14 year old. I have no problem with WoW or AoC. They serve a useful purpose in keeping WAR clear of players who would likely try to ruin the game with their whining and complaining. Everyone playing WAR should be happy these products are on the market and doing well. In return, everyone playing AoC and WoW should appreciate that WAR is here to keep us from ruining your MMORPG experience by whining and complaining about your game. To the OP: you need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. I suggest starting with a dictionary. Judgements like: better, best, good, bad, crap, great, etc. are all subjective evaluations and can not be proven as fact. Your opinions on what is better is only meaningful to you, and just maybe to the persons who already agree with you. You are changing no ones mind on the matter. To the rest of us, your opinion on the matter is effectively worthless because we have a different opinion, and our own personal subjective reasons why we do. I hope this helps. |
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trevornor
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Joined: 6/07/07
No, Imperial commander, Nair does not come in wookie size. We do have an ewok 6 pack though |
9/27/08 10:31:10 AM#48
ok, here's my take on the combat system credentials:WOW 70 shaman and a horde of alts, WAR 13 WH and a slew of lower alts (1-5) to check out mechanisms. AOC, no first hand (so any false assumptions I make, I will be open to criticism) Now, I personally think WAR takes combat an additional step beyond WOW, but it does not involve button mashing, but how you, the player, prepare and play the character. You start realizing how many decisions you have to make when you hit level 11. By then you have all the choices starting to hit you, like Renown, Mastery, Morale and Tactics. Renown lets you increase your stats, get new tactics to start with. Mastery is similar to Talents in WOW, but with a twist, every point you put in your "branch" scales up the skills attached to it as well as open new abilities over the long run. Morale is a skill that you can use depending on how long you remain (and survive) in combat. If you live long enough, it gives you yet another ability you can use (to great effect the longer you last) Tactics is a specific buff that enhances you, and you get three types of them. Career, Renown and Tome (yes, the Tome does give you extra abilities in the long term) So this comes back to what I started to say. Your decisions on combat start a lot earlier than seeing your opponent. YOu have MANY more decisions to make before the first spell or swing of your weapon. When I get back from work (in 10 hours) I can go into more detail if you would like on how exactly how each type effects you. Until then, my only advice is get to level 11 and see what the game has to offer. Have a good day one and all. |
Originally posted by SignusM
That was very much do to a complaint about Mythic's last game, Dark Age of Camelot. Combat was too fast, you could die within 3 seconds and you had no chance to even attempt to save yourself. God how many times I got stunned and nuked to death as a tank before I could blink was more than enough to make me quit. This was a good decision.
Besides, AoC 3 directional combat fails hardcore. Call me back when they put back in the 8 directional combat they had in beta that all the WoW kiddies cried was too complicated.
MMO's go way past, AOC and WOW my friend. Many others to choose, take a look. ------------------------------ PC STATS: |
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Originally posted by Getalife
SO what are you trying to say that AOC is amazing? because many will laugh at you. Its no secret how much AOC is a pile of garbage.
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