You can tell this OP is a kid.  No adult would go on record saying that crap without being able to back any of it up.

I just did a few min of research.

- Avg review of  84% (AOC is at 85%)

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/520538.asp

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Originally posted by DarkPony

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There are 1.2 billion smokers in the world.  Does that make smoking the best thing ever?  I think not.

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It is! *coughs* ... errm. Isn't ...
I agree with you and the OP; people have been trying to trash this game from the start but are having an increasingly hard time to do so since there is so damn little to trash. Delivering quality will always pay off. So they change their tactics and bash things that could have been better or just the minor nitpickings and blow up the proportions to make them look gamebreaking.
Most of us who have played this game for a length of time after release, know that those people are failing in their claim that WAR is a bad game. It might not be THEIR game (so far as they actually tried it out) but it certainly is a GOOD game to most of us.
Just as most of us know that the amount of issues and problems with WAR at launch are far fewer compared to other games at launch and we have faith in Mythic to do some more polishing in the coming time.
 
^_^

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Is it really such a good game..!!

I have been playing for a while now and..

1. The game feels stiff and tired, atleast in some other games the feel of action lures you to belive that its action packed.
As an example, The Gobb Shaman each time he heals I hardly even notice that he does a ting, there is just HP gain and some smallish green glitter.

2 Animations are just so poor

3 Graphics are .....(well you know about this one) :)

4 Everyone runs around "minding their own buisness"

5 No one uses the lower level RvR zones just because it's better to run around and solo scenarios.

6. Even thou I'm on a RvR server i can make myself Immune to PvP and show up and act like a complete jerk in areas that are obviously ment to be PvP . This goes for many puplic quests.

-This characther is not flagged for RvR.

On the other hand PQ is the only feature that makes WAR special and a really good feature aswell.

Warhammer is hardly the revolotion you may think, It's a rather basic MMO that walks in DaoC and WoW footsteps, It even feels as ols as these 2 games.

We shall see if the fun picks up in the later stages but so far it hasn't managed to impress me te least, not like Conan did with or without the bugs.

/junker

Originally posted by Ixnatifual

 Well I don't think your post was a wall of text, just a bit uninformed. But it seems like you got my point. To put things more simply:  WoW is an EverQuest clone, while WAR is a Dark Age of Camelot clone. Both EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot have similar roots and share many similar designs because of that. Both are great games that move the genre forward, but at a steady pace without re-inventing the genre in any way. Like Blizzard did with World of WarCraft, Mythic is playing it safe by using well-established design used by the games they were inspired from, adding a few new things and getting rid of a few crap things.

this is what i was trying to say lol :P

although i would prefer more levels with less time spent at each level.

is daoc an everquest clone too? cuz that would make sense, never played it though, if i did maybe i would be saying it's another everquest clone. not a detracting statement to say that btw.

all this game has done for me is detur me away from MMO's and wanting to paint warhammer figures....

For me, this game proves that there is no such thing as a good or a bad game. There are just different tastes. I hated the game. Despite getting pumped up on the hype, getting into the beta, and genuinely trying to like the game, I found that pretty quickly I was avoiding playing it. Just not my cup of tea.

I would have concluded that my experience means that the game is crap, but there are so many people who seem to be enjoying it that this would be an empty statement. I am reminded of my dear old mum being annoyed at adverts on the TV, and me pointing out that she really isn't the target audience for condoms and ipods. I just have to accept that I am not WAR's target audience and move on.

"is daoc an everquest clone too? cuz that would make sense, never played it though, if i did maybe i would be saying it's another everquest clone. not a detracting statement to say that btw."

 Sort of. There's many basic elements in EQ that are in DAoC too. I wouldn't be surprised if, back in the day, EQ players dubbed DAoC as an "EQ-clone". Also bear in mind games such as Ultima Online which was before either of them. And before that there were text-based MMOs/MUDs (I know that Mythic among others were making such games) predating the graphical MMOs. These were the ancient forefathers of modern MMOs, but apart from the standard D&D-esque concept of leveling a character, getting equipment for him and quaffing potions, PvE and PvP, I have no idea what else, if anything, modern MMOs retain from those games.

Originally posted by thark

 

 

Is it really such a good game..!!

I have been playing for a while now and..

1. The game feels stiff and tired, atleast in some other games the feel of action lures you to belive that its action packed.
As an example, The Gobb Shaman each time he heals I hardly even notice that he does a ting, there is just HP gain and some smallish green glitter.

2 Animations are just so poor

3 Graphics are .....(well you know about this one) :)

4 Everyone runs around "minding their own buisness"

5 No one uses the lower level RvR zones just because it's better to run around and solo scenarios.

6. Even thou I'm on a RvR server i can make myself Immune to PvP and show up and act like a complete jerk in areas that are obviously ment to be PvP . This goes for many puplic quests.

-This characther is not flagged for RvR.

On the other hand PQ is the only feature that makes WAR special and a really good feature aswell.

Warhammer is hardly the revolotion you may think, It's a rather basic MMO that walks in DaoC and WoW footsteps, It even feels as ols as these 2 games.

We shall see if the fun picks up in the later stages but so far it hasn't managed to impress me te least, not like Conan did with or without the bugs.

/junker

 

 

I don't know, I think your assessment is a bit hit or miss. The graphics are fine to my eyes. Not cutting edge but not crappy to my opinion.

Animations are hit or miss. In some cases I think some are missing. it's my thought that they might be added later but who knows. Stil, some are very cool.

Doesn't feel stiff to me, seems like a lot is going on around you and that there is so much to do and that you can pick and choose.

Join a guild and you will get the interaction you seek. otherwise I would say that you are used to chat room mmos where people shoot the shit and in some cases, where nonsense flies by general chat. And if people want to mind their own business that's fine with me. Why? it's their business.

I can't speak to the issues of a RvR server and whether you can turn yourself off. It was my understanding that some servers you ARE off and then you can turn yourself on in non RvR zones. Perhaps you are on the wrong server? As far as no one using the lower lvl scenarios, that is completely not my experience over the past few days.

As far as the game being a revolution, who is spouting this garbage? I've never seen anything about it being a revolution in gaming.

The game is fine. It's hit or miss in some ways but in some ways that is subjective. I know myself and many others are having a blast. To my mind if a great many people are enjoying it then it has done it's job because let's face it... it's a mmo. massive. Which means a massive amount of people are going to try it and yet it is only going to appeal to a portion of those players.

The important thing is that it can appeal to a portion of those players!

So in general, looking over this, it is "hit or miss'. And because of that it will hit or miss with people.

Originally posted by dirtyklingon 

if you don't think war is a wow clone, you haven't played wow i guess. it moves eats and breathes like wow. the ui is basically identical with native frame support. the story is identical, though war has 25 years of books to fall back on +1 for wow being a war clone i guess.

I have follow WoW since the day Blizzard created that weir wallpaper that vaguely hint about WoW. No, WAR is not a WoW clone, not even close. Judging by the UI and say WAR is a WoW clone? and to that aspect, where is the WoW UI editor by the way? you have to make mod by digging through xml code your self correct? The story is identical? Dude, did you even read the story line in your Tome of Knowledge? I can say that you were certainly not because no one with a right mind could say the story of WAR is identical to the story of WoW.

wow is less linear i guess, less grindy until endgame.

 WAR is not more linear than WoW, you have complete freedom of going wherever you wanted to go, the quest line only suggest where you should go but there were never anything that force you. You only feel grindy because you wanted to grind, not the game force you to.

the attack speed is slower in war, and you can't kite. that's pretty much the differences. the classes are bread and butter rpg archetypes, except the ranged dps are not anymore dps than the tanks.

 The attack speed is not slower. They made the fight last longer but the attack speed is definitely not slower. You can kite, you just have to learn how to kite in this game. There are more to WAR classes than you think they are. Warrior Priest and Disciple of Khaine have to fight to be able to effectively heal, some of their good healing source come straight from their melee damage. There are no such mechanic in WoW. The only thing that comes close is the health mana conversion of warlock. Archmage and Shaman has 2 type of magic balance they have to maintain. To effectively heal, you have to dps, to effectively dps, you have to heal, there are no such mechanic in WoW either. Every skills in WAR design with PvP in mind while skills in WoW design for PvE and then balance later for PvP. The clear examples of this are tank skills Taunt, Guard and Hold the Line.

there's even three trees for each class to further customize their characters.

 and a couple of extra features, but it's hardly anything special. moral and tactics???

This is where you are so wrong. There are many moral skills, each of them suit a certain situation in PvP, you only have 4 slots you have to swap them in and out very often for each situation. Same for tactics, there are so many PvP only situational tactics skill that apply to the race you are fighting, what role you want to fight as, what thing you want to do in battle, there are 5 set of tactics that you can configure and swap in and out to customize your character. All these combine allow much much more character skill customization than WoW. 

Originally posted by Clada

You can tell this OP is a kid.  No adult would go on record saying that crap without being able to back any of it up.

I just did a few min of research.

- Avg review of  84% (AOC is at 85%)

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/520538.asp

 

...and the fact that it's just a huge troll thread to begin with.

Originally posted by thark

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Is it really such a good game..!!

I have been playing for a while now and..

1. The game feels stiff and tired, atleast in some other games the feel of action lures you to belive that its action packed.
As an example, The Gobb Shaman each time he heals I hardly even notice that he does a ting, there is just HP gain and some smallish green glitter.

2 Animations are just so poor

3 Graphics are .....(well you know about this one) :)

 

These are just subjective opinion. I think the game feel ok to me. I like the character design but again, I am a avid Warhammer table top player, these character design are followed the Warhammer IP pretty closely. I am happy about character design. Graphical effects are ok, nothing stelar, if you want massive graphical flare, play Asian MMORPGs, Western MMORPGs were never a big fan of massive graphical flare anyway. Animation was so so, some are good, some are bad. Not as responsive as WoW but in that department, WoW is the best. I like the moody environment design in WAR, make you feel you are in the middle of war.

 

4 Everyone runs around "minding their own buisness"

What do you expect them to do? No night elf naked dance? People don't stand around dual each other? There are open party everywhere, many people join and doing PQ, people definitely interact with each other, just not a whole lot of barren chat type of stuffs.

5 No one uses the lower level RvR zones just because it's better to run around and solo scenarios.

Because the game is new, people still trying to learn thing. Lower level RvR zones are actually the best place or should I say the only place to get low level unique armor sets. Yeah, they are set armors with different look and bonus for complete pieces of a set. Eventually, people will see other people have cool pieces of armor and start asking where did you get those and they will start doing a lot of unpopular contents right now.

6. Even thou I'm on a RvR server i can make myself Immune to PvP and show up and act like a complete jerk in areas that are obviously ment to be PvP . This goes for many puplic quests.

-This characther is not flagged for RvR.

You obviously in a core rule set server. On an open rule set server, you can't make your self immune to PvP unless you are exploiting and that's bannable offense. On core rule set servers, yeah, if you don't turn your flag on, your enemies can't do anything to you out side of RvR lake.

5 No one uses the lower level RvR zones just because it's better to run around and solo scenarios.

Because the game is new, people still trying to learn thing. Lower level RvR zones are actually the best place or should I say the only place to get low level unique armor sets. Yeah, they are set armors with different look and bonus for complete pieces of a set. Eventually, people will see other people have cool pieces of armor and start asking where did you get those and they will start doing a lot of unpopular contents right now.

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Can you explain this a bit?  Is this from Quest or?

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Originally posted by Sovrath

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Originally posted by thark

 
 
Is it really such a good game..!!
I have been playing for a while now and..
1. The game feels stiff and tired, atleast in some other games the feel of action lures you to belive that its action packed.
As an example, The Gobb Shaman each time he heals I hardly even notice that he does a ting, there is just HP gain and some smallish green glitter.
2 Animations are just so poor
3 Graphics are .....(well you know about this one) :)
4 Everyone runs around "minding their own buisness"
5 No one uses the lower level RvR zones just because it's better to run around and solo scenarios.
6. Even thou I'm on a RvR server i can make myself Immune to PvP and show up and act like a complete jerk in areas that are obviously ment to be PvP . This goes for many puplic quests.
-This characther is not flagged for RvR.
On the other hand PQ is the only feature that makes WAR special and a really good feature aswell.

Warhammer is hardly the revolotion you may think, It's a rather basic MMO that walks in DaoC and WoW footsteps, It even feels as ols as these 2 games.
We shall see if the fun picks up in the later stages but so far it hasn't managed to impress me te least, not like Conan did with or without the bugs.
/junker
 

 

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I don't know, I think your assessment is a bit hit or miss. The graphics are fine to my eyes. Not cutting edge but not crappy to my opinion.
Animations are hit or miss. In some cases I think some are missing. it's my thought that they might be added later but who knows. Stil, some are very cool.
Doesn't feel stiff to me, seems like a lot is going on around you and that there is so much to do and that you can pick and choose.
Join a guild and you will get the interaction you seek. otherwise I would say that you are used to chat room mmos where people shoot the shit and in some cases, where nonsense flies by general chat. And if people want to mind their own business that's fine with me. Why? it's their business.
I can't speak to the issues of a RvR server and whether you can turn yourself off. It was my understanding that some servers you ARE off and then you can turn yourself on in non RvR zones. Perhaps you are on the wrong server? As far as no one using the lower lvl scenarios, that is completely not my experience over the past few days.
As far as the game being a revolution, who is spouting this garbage? I've never seen anything about it being a revolution in gaming.
The game is fine. It's hit or miss in some ways but in some ways that is subjective. I know myself and many others are having a blast. To my mind if a great many people are enjoying it then it has done it's job because let's face it... it's a mmo. massive. Which means a massive amount of people are going to try it and yet it is only going to appeal to a portion of those players.
The important thing is that it can appeal to a portion of those players!
So in general, looking over this, it is "hit or miss'. And because of that it will hit or miss with people.

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Yes, It's a subjective opinion but that is what this thread is all about isn't it ? Opinions about the game from diffrent players.

It tells me that no one has any valid dislikes about this game, but I think I have several not just the graphics.

PS: I know im in the PvE(Core rule RP Server) version of Warhammer and that's also why someone can make them selves immune to PvP, but it just felt bad in cp 3 greenskin scenario where you have to sides and dwarfs could freely slaughter orc's without anyone could do anything about them until they flagg.

Originally posted by Terminus-Est

For me, this game proves that there is no such thing as a good or a bad game. There are just different tastes. I hated the game. Despite getting pumped up on the hype, getting into the beta, and genuinely trying to like the game, I found that pretty quickly I was avoiding playing it. Just not my cup of tea.

I would have concluded that my experience means that the game is crap, but there are so many people who seem to be enjoying it that this would be an empty statement. I am reminded of my dear old mum being annoyed at adverts on the TV, and me pointing out that she really isn't the target audience for condoms and ipods. I just have to accept that I am not WAR's target audience and move on.

As someone who likes playing WAR, I agree with everything you said in this post.  It's a refereshing change to see someone acknowledge that WAR just isn't what they like in a game.  It's not the game, it's a matter of personal preferences.  I certanly have no problem with someone who doesn't like playing WAR, but who can understand and accept that someone else may well like playing WAR.  I applaud your mature attitude about the issue.

Well, I have to admit I haven't read whole thread, but I'll share my opinion on this game.

I've been following its development for about 2 years, watched every podcast, read beta opinions- positive and negative.

I said to myself that I'll put my final judgement on the game whether I will stick to it or not, after I play it. I am in no way a "fanboi", don't care what majority thinks, don't care if it's better than any other mmo etc.

So, this is my opnion on the Warhammer: It's GREAT. I'm having a blast playing it. Yes, it does have some bugs, and animation sync should be fixed, but the amount of fun I'm having vs. those issues is too big in favor of fun, that I don't even care about them.

People say graphics suck, the game doesn't "feel" like a world. I can honestly say to everyone who hasn't yet played WAR, it's a bunch of lies. Maybe some people don't like artistic approach of WAR devs, but I have to say I LOVE it. I find graphics, and especially environment, fantastic. Not only does it feel like a world, each rock can be used as a strategical part of pvp gameplay, in a way that it can be hidden behind it to avoid being hit by ranged classes. Also, water (best looking I've ever seen in a mmo), buildings having real proportions, lighting and shadows from a character( try staying close to a rock in a sunshine-epic)

It has 20 classes, tons of quests, PQs, Tome of Knowledge, dungeons, city ranks..and yet the core is RvR.

Speaking of RvR, I have to say if you haven't yet experienced Keep sieging, you will be surprised how much does it really feel like a war with all those sieges, boling oils, and massive brutal slaughter after attacking force breaches the door!

In the end, I didn't write this to "convert" people to WAR, to kill trolls, to show this is the best game ever made. I like it, it's all that matters to me.

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by Demz2

Originally posted by Ixnatifual

Well, some pointers I guess could be stuff like:

1. One of the best launches in MMO history.

2. One of the most polished game at launch in MMO history.

3. The most content-complete launch in MMO history.

4. Being the fastest-selling MMO in history.

For me personally, I just think the game is damn fun.

 

These are all your matter of opinion, and nothing more.

 

Not ALL. Number 1 is true. 2 is valid aswell, while it still has maby bugs left and balance issues (I don't think it's worth mentioning since they ALL have and I just feel like I'm repeating myself over and over).

Number 1 is an opinion.  How is "best" defined?  What backs up this claim?  While personally I agree that this mmo had a great launch its just an opinion.  Number 2 is the same, its an opinion.  What defines "polished"?  The definitions of best and polished are relative.  These statements are ambiguous at best and the only one thats really provable is 4.

The biggest problem with these threads is the amount of the things stated as fact are not fact but subjective opinion.  Either dont claim your opinion as fact or dont get emotional when stating facts, it clouds judgement and invalidates your entire post.  Also dont think something is a fact just because you agree with it. You like the game?  Great, keep playing it.  Dont like it?  Dont play itm its that simple.

Personally im having more fun than ive had in a while on an MMO.  Now the question for me is, am I just having fun because its new?  Only time will tell, but for now i'll continue to enjoy my goblin shammy.

Originally posted by thark

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath

 

 
I don't know, I think your assessment is a bit hit or miss. The graphics are fine to my eyes. Not cutting edge but not crappy to my opinion.
Animations are hit or miss. In some cases I think some are missing. it's my thought that they might be added later but who knows. Stil, some are very cool.
Doesn't feel stiff to me, seems like a lot is going on around you and that there is so much to do and that you can pick and choose.
Join a guild and you will get the interaction you seek. otherwise I would say that you are used to chat room mmos where people shoot the shit and in some cases, where nonsense flies by general chat. And if people want to mind their own business that's fine with me. Why? it's their business.
I can't speak to the issues of a RvR server and whether you can turn yourself off. It was my understanding that some servers you ARE off and then you can turn yourself on in non RvR zones. Perhaps you are on the wrong server? As far as no one using the lower lvl scenarios, that is completely not my experience over the past few days.
As far as the game being a revolution, who is spouting this garbage? I've never seen anything about it being a revolution in gaming.
The game is fine. It's hit or miss in some ways but in some ways that is subjective. I know myself and many others are having a blast. To my mind if a great many people are enjoying it then it has done it's job because let's face it... it's a mmo. massive. Which means a massive amount of people are going to try it and yet it is only going to appeal to a portion of those players.
The important thing is that it can appeal to a portion of those players!
So in general, looking over this, it is "hit or miss'. And because of that it will hit or miss with people.

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Yes, It's a subjective opinion but that is what this thread is all about isn't it ? Opinions about the game from diffrent players.

It tells me that no one has any valid dislikes about this game, but I think I have several not just the graphics.

PS: I know im in the PvE(Core rule RP Server) version of Warhammer and that's also why someone can make them selves immune to PvP, but it just felt bad in cp 3 greenskin scenario where you have to sides and dwarfs could freely slaughter orc's without anyone could do anything about them until they flagg.
 

Well, that is reall a valid point and the "core of War".

There is nothign wrong with ths game. It is so good at what it does that because of this and because of it's focus it will have huge Fans and Very Vocal detractors.

This is not the type of game that the majority of people hate or Love or is the type of game that a vast majority will like but not be nuts about (LOTRO comes to mind - sure there are people who love it but the majority that I've seen will either really like it or admit that it is a good game but boring )

War isn't like that. it seems that it has done what it has done so well (for a "just released" game) that it will hit it's mark for it's demographic but seemingly will not be able to win over its detractors.

I didn't know there was a game between the people who don't like WAR, and the one's who do. I just enjoy playing WAR, and leave these forums "games" to trolls and fanbois.

lol no this game lost in open beta.

Originally posted by Satarious

They put in a good effort to trash this game, but they officially have egg on ther collective faces.  This game is a WINNER.

For now chum, for now....

You will soon wipe the egg from your eyes and see what you have left to fry and you won't like what you see...

Originally posted by Antarious

Detractors lost what?

EA claims 1.5 million units shipped

EA claims 500,000 subs in the first week.

Over half the servers are still low/low med/low or low/med.

Something doesn't add up one way or the other.

Now lets use a little mathematics and percentages here... What if 20% full is over 3k people? Do we really know what the base is for "low" populations? Have they released actual cap counts as far as 100% full to low to med and high?

Lets say 20% was 3k.. 3k x 5 (20 x 5 = 100%) thats 15k a server, which is no small population at all if you think about it..

We can't possibly "add up" anything unless we have exact numbers because low/med/high doesnt say really anything about population other than: when compared to the maximum population cap this server is ___% full/empty ...