Bizar, it is like you guys played another LOTRO then me, or, the character models and animations have drastically improved in the last months.

The way I compare LOTRO DX9 graphics vs WAR :

Landscape's : LOTRO a bit better then WAR

Houses and buildings : WAR and LOTRO on PAR

Character models and animation : WAR a bit better then LOTRO

Ground textures : LOTRO a bit better then WAR

Spell and other effects : WAR a bit better hen LOTRO

Lighting : WAR and LOTRO on par

Now if you add DX10 to that equation, then the lighting is better in LOTRO.

Overall, they both have different styles, and slightly in favor of LOTRO, however the performance of the WAR engine is better. ( no lag in 50 man battle, at all )

Greetings.

Originally posted by CyberWiz

Bizar, it is like you guys played another LOTRO then me, or, the character models and animations have drastically improved in the last months.

The way I compare LOTRO DX9 graphics vs WAR :

Landscape's : LOTRO a bit better then WAR

Houses and buildings : WAR and LOTRO on PAR

Character models and animation : WAR a bit better then LOTRO

Ground textures : LOTRO a bit better then WAR

Spell and other effects : WAR a bit better hen LOTRO

Lighting : WAR and LOTRO on par

Now if you add DX10 to that equation, then the lighting is better in LOTRO.

 

Overall, they both have different styles, and slightly in favor of LOTRO, however the performance of the WAR engine is better. ( no lag in 50 man battle, at all )

 

Greetings.

 

 

 

 You don't need DX10 to see bigger difference then just slightly. Ultra high on DX9 you get some impresive landscape views.

Models; just compare LOTRO elves and High elves (faces), or hobbits vs. dwarfs; especially female models.

Running in slow motion vs normal running.

But graphics in WAR is not bad. Its serves purpose, large scale battles. LOTRO has problems here in EM on highest settings.

I wonder if we will see more graphic settings in WAR? I'll try settings in drivers; forcing 16 AF and 4 AA. I just read on WAR forum, it seems it works also for ATI.

Originally posted by nethrill

I just picked up warhammer yesterday and was instantly struck with how similar the character animations and movements were almost indentical to lotr.the similarites are uncanny,it made me wonder if someone who desinged lotr also had a hand in designing war.anyone else own both and can vouche for my observation?

yes i think that if you play lotro in 800x600 in very low is very similar to war...

Originally posted by strarompi

Originally posted by nethrill

I just picked up warhammer yesterday and was instantly struck with how similar the character animations and movements were almost indentical to lotr.the similarites are uncanny,it made me wonder if someone who desinged lotr also had a hand in designing war.anyone else own both and can vouche for my observation?

 

yes i think that if you play lotro in 800x600 in very low is very similar to war...

 

Lol QFT, but i do agree with some of the Char animations but that is about it in terms of Landscape LoTRO wins hands down but they are also 2 different Art styles and both look bloody good for what they are LoTRO IMO is still one of the best looking MMO's my eye's have ever seen.(besides the char models of course)

you have to realize the majority of people playing war are the ex-wow crew, so obviously they are going to sound like morons when you try to talk to them.

anyone who is not legally blind can agree that lotro looks 1000% better than war, I don't know what ea/mythic were doing with all their delays, but it sure was not in the graphics department.

the animations in war are horrible, spell effects are worse than ultima online.

and anyone who says the character models in war are better than, not just lotro, but ANY game is obviously blind.  the high elves and dark elves in war are absolutely freaking horrible, i've never seen such dumb looking characters. 

granted, the models in lotro are not 100% what they should be, but geez, war's models are out of some crappy F2P asian game.

Originally posted by BesCirga

Can't agree with this. Lotro is much better imo - feel more alive and the avatar feel alot more connected to the ground. WAR's graphics reminds me of Requiem - Bloodymare to be honest.

Animations and movement: haven't really noticed yet...

I feel the opposite. LoTRO has TWO art styles, one for environment (a lovely one might I add) and one for character models (a pathetic one which doesn't fit). What you end up with is the feelings of cartoons in the real world.

Warhammer only has one art style which is fused very well so you can feel more immersed into the world and actually feel that your part of the games environment.

Graphically LoTRO is quite good (apart from player models), it's definitely not the best MMO though.

Originally posted by elondor

you have to realize the majority of people playing war are the ex-wow crew, so obviously they are going to sound like morons when you try to talk to them.

 

anyone who is not legally blind can agree that lotro looks 1000% better than war, I don't know what ea/mythic were doing with all their delays, but it sure was not in the graphics department.

the animations in war are horrible, spell effects are worse than ultima online.

and anyone who says the character models in war are better than, not just lotro, but ANY game is obviously blind.  the high elves and dark elves in war are absolutely freaking horrible, i've never seen such dumb looking characters. 

granted, the models in lotro are not 100% what they should be, but geez, war's models are out of some crappy F2P asian game.

 

Attack of the stupidity, I never liked WoW, it blows. I played WoW for the free trial then quit.

At least with LoTRO I played it for about a month, before getting stupidly bored.

You should realise that Warhammer is a RvR game (not a pansy tree-hugging repeatitive PvE game), therefore graphics need to be sacrificed a bit to keep the game working well. When there is 60-100 people a side fighting over a keep you'll need to turn the graphics down unless your running a beasty pc.

Though, with the resolution on 1680 x 1050 plus forced Anti-Aliasing  (as well as Adaptive AA), Anisotropic Filtering and Mipmap Detail etc. The game looks pretty good.

If you want to do the whole "graphics argument" then I'll just come out and say it. Age of Conan is graphically superior to Lord of the Rings online, it has better animations and gameplay. It has better lore and it's content, while less numerous than LoTRO's is far superior.

Warhammer has a good balance of Graphics, PvE AND PvP, something I feel hasn't been accomplished since Dark Age of Camelot. Did I forgot to mention stability? it's quite stable, even with heaps of players fighting each other.

WAR, from what I've seen, has better graphics, especially scenery-wise, than WoW or LotRO.  As for the engine, LotRO is just bad.  Are you telling me the combat moves in lotro are better?  I got tired of that game after two weeks just from doing the same moves with dagger and sword...no matter what skill was used!  The characters in GW looked better.  WAR, as stated above, was set up for PvP and massive scale combat.  From what I've seen, it's doing a good job.

No matter what you try to do, you are doing the same old sword-and-sorcery model.  There's only so much leeway there.  To get away from that, you have to go to another genre of fiction altogether.  Otherwise you will always get 'tards saying, "it's just like WoW", or some other game which, other than the writer of the fantasy it's based on, is pretty much going to be the SAME GAME.

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by elondor

you have to realize the majority of people playing war are the ex-wow crew, so obviously they are going to sound like morons when you try to talk to them.

 

anyone who is not legally blind can agree that lotro looks 1000% better than war, I don't know what ea/mythic were doing with all their delays, but it sure was not in the graphics department.

the animations in war are horrible, spell effects are worse than ultima online.

and anyone who says the character models in war are better than, not just lotro, but ANY game is obviously blind.  the high elves and dark elves in war are absolutely freaking horrible, i've never seen such dumb looking characters. 

granted, the models in lotro are not 100% what they should be, but geez, war's models are out of some crappy F2P asian game.

 

 

Attack of the stupidity, I never liked WoW, it blows. I played WoW for the free trial then quit.

At least with LoTRO I played it for about a month, before getting stupidly bored.

You should realise that Warhammer is a RvR game (not a pansy tree-hugging repeatitive PvE game), therefore graphics need to be sacrificed a bit to keep the game working well. When there is 60-100 people a side fighting over a keep you'll need to turn the graphics down unless your running a beasty pc.

Im so tired of the same excuse. Yes, WAR is a RvR game and maybe need to turn down the graphic abit, but I think they went to far. WAR graphic are horrible compared to Lotro. FYI, The battles I played in Ettenmorse, has been as big as WAR's RvR battles.

WAR is a pansy, shallow and repetitive RvR game. (yes, PvP locked in so small zones are repetitive)   

Though, with the resolution on 1680 x 1050 plus forced Anti-Aliasing  (as well as Adaptive AA), Anisotropic Filtering and Mipmap Detail etc. The game looks pretty good.

It looks half decent, imo

If you want to do the whole "graphics argument" then I'll just come out and say it. Age of Conan is graphically superior to Lord of the Rings online, it has better animations and gameplay. It has better lore and it's content, while less numerous than LoTRO's is far superior.

AoC have better model graphics and animations. Lotro has better landscape and gameplay. Your last sentence confuses me, but are you saying that Conan lore is better than Lord of the Rings? I like Conan lore more, but that doesnt make it better. Nobody beats Lord of the Rings lore, quality-wise. And AoC content is nothing special, like most newish games.

Warhammer has a good balance of Graphics, PvE AND PvP, something I feel hasn't been accomplished since Dark Age of Camelot. Did I forgot to mention stability? it's quite stable, even with heaps of players fighting each other.

Im glad you like it, but it's miles and miles from the quality of DAoC, imo.

Originally posted by BesCirga

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by elondor

you have to realize the majority of people playing war are the ex-wow crew, so obviously they are going to sound like morons when you try to talk to them.

 

anyone who is not legally blind can agree that lotro looks 1000% better than war, I don't know what ea/mythic were doing with all their delays, but it sure was not in the graphics department.

the animations in war are horrible, spell effects are worse than ultima online.

and anyone who says the character models in war are better than, not just lotro, but ANY game is obviously blind.  the high elves and dark elves in war are absolutely freaking horrible, i've never seen such dumb looking characters. 

granted, the models in lotro are not 100% what they should be, but geez, war's models are out of some crappy F2P asian game.

 

 

Attack of the stupidity, I never liked WoW, it blows. I played WoW for the free trial then quit.

At least with LoTRO I played it for about a month, before getting stupidly bored.

You should realise that Warhammer is a RvR game (not a pansy tree-hugging repeatitive PvE game), therefore graphics need to be sacrificed a bit to keep the game working well. When there is 60-100 people a side fighting over a keep you'll need to turn the graphics down unless your running a beasty pc.

Im so tired of the same excuse. Yes, WAR is a RvR game and maybe need to turn down the graphic abit, but I think they went to far. WAR graphic are horrible compared to Lotro. FYI, The battles I played in Ettenmorse, has been as big as WAR's RvR battles.

WAR is a pansy, shallow and repetitive RvR game. (yes, PvP locked in so small zones are repetitive)   

They're not as horrible as everybody says, it's no Age of Conan but it's definitely on par with Lotro. Especially when you consider how much better WAR's engine runs. The battles in the Ettenmoors are NO WHERE near the keep sieges in WAR, in under two weeks I've seen bigger and better action in T2 Keeps than I ever saw in the Moors.

The Scenarios might be repetitive, thankfully from tier 3 onwards there is 2 scenarios per area. Scenario's are not the main focus of WAR anyway, they're jump-in mini-games, like playing an FPS game online. Either way, Scenarios are less repetitive than PvE for the simple fact that you know what a mob will do, Players are real humans and therefore less predictable.

Though, with the resolution on 1680 x 1050 plus forced Anti-Aliasing  (as well as Adaptive AA), Anisotropic Filtering and Mipmap Detail etc. The game looks pretty good.

It looks half decent, imo

You need a better PC.

If you want to do the whole "graphics argument" then I'll just come out and say it. Age of Conan is graphically superior to Lord of the Rings online, it has better animations and gameplay. It has better lore and it's content, while less numerous than LoTRO's is far superior.

AoC have better model graphics and animations. Lotro has better landscape and gameplay. Your last sentence confuses me, but are you saying that Conan lore is better than Lord of the Rings? I like Conan lore more, but that doesnt make it better. Nobody beats Lord of the Rings lore, quality-wise. And AoC content is nothing special, like most newish games.

AoC's landscape is far superior to Lotro's in every way, you should take another look at the amount of detail Funcom put into their modeling and skinning. It's a pity they didn't put the same effort into the rest of the game.

Conan's Lore is superior to Lord of the Rings, why? because Conan's is more brutal, gritty and dark. That and it doesn't just steal everything from Norse Mythology. That being said, I did enjoy the Lord of the Rings book.

Warhammer has a good balance of Graphics, PvE AND PvP, something I feel hasn't been accomplished since Dark Age of Camelot. Did I forgot to mention stability? it's quite stable, even with heaps of players fighting each other.

Im glad you like it, but it's miles and miles from the quality of DAoC, imo.

It's at least comparable to DAoC, unlike LoTRO and AoC.

 

 

Some quick replies

• We have to agree to disagree
• I have a high end PC
• Tolkien borrowed names, creatures etc, as Howard borrowed from Lovecraft. Difference is that Tolkien's world is much more detailed and indepth than Hyboria, hence more quality. Again, I like t say that I like the gritty world of Hyboria better, too bad funcom failed big time on delivering it, as mythic failed on delivering the Warhammer world. Turbine however, did a nice job delivering Middle Earth.

Really almost makes me wonder if we're playing the same game or if some people haven't accidently downloaded the LOW RES version of LOTRO?

Because LOTRO graphics are far beyond Warhammers in every way shape and form.

The title of this thread should be Warhammer graphics very similar to Warcraft.  Because that's what I see.  When I played Warhammer I was having WoW flashbacks and felt like yelling 'FOR THE HORDE!"

AOC is just candy coated crap.  Graphics may have more pixels but they look like shit to me...  Armor that looks like hand me downs from bag ladies.  Horrible collision detection.  The first day I played AOC I got hung up on a cat and had to call a GM as the cat kept dragging me around I couldn't path out or do squat.  That was just the first day...

In AOC it looks as if they just threw trees anywhere they pleased with little to no planning.  Just look around at the design or lack there of.

The graphics may be high quality in AOC but it isn't like you can even explore or see them up close.  You stuck on these linear paths and confined by invisible walls.  In LOTRO you see a beautiful mountain in the distance you can walk to its peak.

LOTRO has thousands and thousands of quests.  AOC has probably 500 quests and I am being painfully generous.  Comparing the quality of AOC quests to LOTRO is really laughable and makes me question if you've even played the game.

I've read plenty of Howard the entirety of AOC is just a loose reference to some of his works of which there are many.  LOTRO is going through the entire 3 book trilogy and staying as strictly to the books as humanly possible.  There's a difference.

But this thread really makes me scratch my head...  Warhammer has very dated graphics circa 2003.  LOTRO is close to AOC in pixels but trumps it in style...

You walk past a tree in Breeland and scare a flock of birds into the sky that fly off into the distance...  You're walking in the Shire and see a rainbow after a recent rain and many touches like this make LOTRO.

Anyway off to go get my Harvestmath horse from the Harvestmath festival.  Wonder what they're doing over at AOC for holidays, OH THAT'S RIGHT they don't have events all year like LOTRO.  Guess why throw a holiday if nobody is going to show up.  Ghost servers don't need events.

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

Originally posted by Mentor73

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

I've said before, the environment in LoTRO is better, it's very well done. The player models are not. What WAR does better is fuse the environment and player/npc models into one game much better, giving you the actual feel of immersion. Graphics wise LoTRO is better, but it's still an immersion lacking game, Age of Conan is superior to it in almost every way, not even you will argue that.

I've played LoTRO hi-res for about a month, on 2 HD3870's and absolutely hated the game. The Environment was the ONLY thing going for it, it's player models and quest structure is basic, it's PvP quite lacking. It's a shame because Middle-Earth has so much to offer. I saw the new Mines of Moria screens and I was very disappointed.

And it seems to keep up with Warhammer and the upcoming WoW expansion, they've even given me a few free days (WITH 25% EXPERIENCE BOOST WOOT) to try and win me back. I will be trying it out, but I can pretty much guess that it's the same boring shit it was a few months ago.

Why player models? Can you give atleast some arguments why not?

Is it less details? Less sharpness? Is it less textures? Is animation that bad? Is it itematisation? What and why?

And you judge MoM from screenshots ;)? And even screenshot give more positive aspects then bad ones ...

As for AOC, i love both worlds, thats why I read both books. And I really dont have a clue how can u tell, there si not enough immersion in LOTRO? Again, what gives you that feeling and why? 

I agree maybe in one point with you, partialy. PVP is not main feature in LOTRO, and si lacking compared to more oriented PVP games. Yet, atleast i can say on server i play, there is big difference if u have good or bad raid leader.

With new french players on Eldar, we now have atleast 3 good organised creep raids, that make big difference on battlefield. Organised attacking, flanking, picking right targets ... Some really great battles.

Ok in Lotro we don't have sieges, maybe in future. And with MoM we will see new features in PVP.

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by Mentor73

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

 

I've said before, the environment in LoTRO is better, it's very well done. The player models are not. What WAR does better is fuse the environment and player/npc models into one game much better, giving you the actual feel of immersion. Graphics wise LoTRO is better, but it's still an immersion lacking game, Age of Conan is superior to it in almost every way, not even you will argue that.

I've played LoTRO hi-res for about a month, on 2 HD3870's and absolutely hated the game. The Environment was the ONLY thing going for it, it's player models and quest structure is basic, it's PvP quite lacking. It's a shame because Middle-Earth has so much to offer. I saw the new Mines of Moria screens and I was very disappointed.

And it seems to keep up with Warhammer and the upcoming WoW expansion, they've even given me a few free days (WITH 25% EXPERIENCE BOOST WOOT) to try and win me back. I will be trying it out, but I can pretty much guess that it's the same boring shit it was a few months ago.

So your opinions are fact? I feel pretty much the opposite from this :) Its far more Immersive than AoC and WAR will ever be.. since thoose are not Worlds...

And thoose saying that the Character models are bad, can you please post screenshot and explain what you mean? I agree that some animation looks awful and som of the gear (especially at lower levels) but the actual models are on par or better than other MMOs imo!

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by Mentor73

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

 

I've said before, the environment in LoTRO is better, it's very well done. The player models are not i  agree with both these statements. What WAR does better is fuse the environment and player/npc models into one game much better, giving you the actual feel of immersion. Graphics wise LoTRO is better, but it's still an immersion lacking game, Age of Conan is superior to it in almost every way, not even you will argue that.

I've played LoTRO hi-res for about a month, on 2 HD3870's and absolutely hated the game. The Environment was the ONLY thing going for it, it's player models and quest structure is basic personally i found the environment great, storylines had had a decent amount of imagination to then but the character system as a whole didn't meet either of these standards, it's PvP quite lacking tbh didn't really bothere with it. It's a shame because Middle-Earth has so much to offer true. I saw the new Mines of Moria screens and I was very disappointed.

And it seems to keep up with Warhammer and the upcoming WoW expansion, they've even given me a few free days (WITH 25% EXPERIENCE BOOST WOOT) to try and win me back. I will be trying it out, but I can pretty much guess that it's the same boring shit it was a few months ago.

So your opinions are fact? I feel pretty much the opposite from this :) Its far more Immersive than AoC and WAR can you say if you've actually tried both of these? will ever be.. since thoose are not Worlds...what does this mean?

And thoose saying that the Character models are bad i wouldn't say bad they had a nice sheen but no depth or life to them, can you please post screenshot and explain what you mean? I agree that some animation looks awful true and som of the gear (especially at lower levels)i felt the armour looked good and very LOTR but the clothing was the opposite  but the actual models are on par or better than other MMOs imo! guess this depends on which MMO's and what criteria

Originally posted by Mentor73

Why player models? Can you give atleast some arguments why not?

Is it less details? Less sharpness? Is it less textures? Is animation that bad? Is it itematisation? What and why? The style of the player models and clothing doesn't fit in with the environment and art style that the game has created, they ruin the immersion of the game. The combat and movement animations are quite basic when you look at other games though (Think pre-NGE Star Wars Galaxies, Teräs Käsi master, Swordsman etc.).

And you judge MoM from screenshots ;)? And even screenshot give more positive aspects then bad ones ... When your trying to create a visual interpretation of the Lord of the Rings, it's important to care about how good it feels, you have to remember that companies who screenshot their games try to get the very best of them.

As for AOC, i love both worlds, thats why I read both books. And I really dont have a clue how can u tell, there si not enough immersion in LOTRO? Again, what gives you that feeling and why? Player models ruined immersion for me. Also through the whole game's plot it feels like I'm trying to be the 10th member of the fellowship instead of having my own adventure in Middle Earth. Thats the problem with a lot of new MMORPG's, every single person is made into a superhero.

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by Mentor73

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

 

I've said before, the environment in LoTRO is better, it's very well done. The player models are not. What WAR does better is fuse the environment and player/npc models into one game much better, giving you the actual feel of immersion. Graphics wise LoTRO is better, but it's still an immersion lacking game, Age of Conan is superior to it in almost every way, not even you will argue that.

I've played LoTRO hi-res for about a month, on 2 HD3870's and absolutely hated the game. The Environment was the ONLY thing going for it, it's player models and quest structure is basic, it's PvP quite lacking. It's a shame because Middle-Earth has so much to offer. I saw the new Mines of Moria screens and I was very disappointed.

And it seems to keep up with Warhammer and the upcoming WoW expansion, they've even given me a few free days (WITH 25% EXPERIENCE BOOST WOOT) to try and win me back. I will be trying it out, but I can pretty much guess that it's the same boring shit it was a few months ago.

So your opinions are fact? I feel pretty much the opposite from this :) Its far more Immersive than AoC and WAR will ever be.. since thoose are not Worlds...

And thoose saying that the Character models are bad, can you please post screenshot and explain what you mean? I agree that some animation looks awful and som of the gear (especially at lower levels) but the actual models are on par or better than other MMOs imo!

How in the hell can you not say those are worlds? Hyboria is a huge world filled with different continents and cultures, you really haven't looked into Conan. Warhammer's world is also quite big, a nice mix of Middle-Earth and Renaissance Western Europe (mainly Germany) but much more gritty.

As for your questions, I answered them in my other post.

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

Originally posted by Mentor73

Wolfkrone I play LOTRO and WAR on HD4870.

And defenately LOTRO looks better. What you prefer is style of WAR. And that is matter of your taste.

 

I've said before, the environment in LoTRO is better, it's very well done. The player models are not. What WAR does better is fuse the environment and player/npc models into one game much better, giving you the actual feel of immersion. Graphics wise LoTRO is better, but it's still an immersion lacking game, Age of Conan is superior to it in almost every way, not even you will argue that.

I've played LoTRO hi-res for about a month, on 2 HD3870's and absolutely hated the game. The Environment was the ONLY thing going for it, it's player models and quest structure is basic, it's PvP quite lacking. It's a shame because Middle-Earth has so much to offer. I saw the new Mines of Moria screens and I was very disappointed.

And it seems to keep up with Warhammer and the upcoming WoW expansion, they've even given me a few free days (WITH 25% EXPERIENCE BOOST WOOT) to try and win me back. I will be trying it out, but I can pretty much guess that it's the same boring shit it was a few months ago.

So your opinions are fact? I feel pretty much the opposite from this :) Its far more Immersive than AoC and WAR will ever be.. since thoose are not Worlds...

And thoose saying that the Character models are bad, can you please post screenshot and explain what you mean? I agree that some animation looks awful and som of the gear (especially at lower levels) but the actual models are on par or better than other MMOs imo!

How in the hell can you not say those are worlds? Hyboria is a huge world filled with different continents and cultures, you really haven't looked into Conan. Warhammer's world is also quite big, a nice mix of Middle-Earth and Renaissance Western Europe (mainly Germany) but much more gritty.

As for your questions, I answered them in my other post.

Heh calm down man... I was huge Conan fan as a kid and also played alot of Warhammer when I was younger (both tabletop and the PnP) so I know alot about thoose worlds and both Hyboria and the Old world are great... but... Its the games AoC and WAR that isnt designed as worlds IMO... Hyboria is turned into a serie of disjointed instances and is designed like Super mario bros 3 ;) .... The world of WAR is turned into the linear Tiers... So in my opinion in LotrO the game is designed around the World... And in WAR the World is designed around the game (if that makes any sense)

I think WAR is a great game but its not very immersive for me and doesnt feel like a RPG... but its a good war game thou :)

(btw I still dont know what you dont like about the characters)