I refer to a post I made in the WoW forum's back in July.

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Originally posted by Sunrider
There's a few contributing factors to the dislike of WoW:

-They keep screwing over long-time players: If you've played before TBC you'll know what i mean by this, they keep taking all your hard-earned gear, which this game is centered around, and making it worthless with every expansion.

-Gear: This game is probably one of the most gear needy games that I know of. But its not just the gear, but its the fact that the best gear is acquired through hours upon hours of grinding and there is no player-made gear that is worth it.

-Crafting: The crafting is useless for the most part, aside from such things as repair bots, potions and the sorts. The best player crafted gear is Bind on Pickup. WTF. You waste like 5,000 gold on a recipe for a sword or armor, and make it ONCE, because you cant get any return from what you spent to get it. Whats worse is that then you go to a dungeon and find a sword to replace that one you made and you go "oh... well that was a waste of money".

-GRIND: Its cleverly disguised as a quest system "go bring me 20 pig intestines and I'll make you some soup". How many mother f*cking pigs do you have to kill to get there intestines???!! I've killed thousands of pigs and they're missing there entrails. There's something seriously wrong with this!! Bats without wings... pigs without guts... bandits without mask that clearly have mask... IT GETS OLD! But it doesn't stop there, no. Then you have the "gold grind". In NO other game have I come across a worse need for money. The repair bills are horrible for purple gear, and blacksmiths cant even fix it for a cheaper price to help them make some cash. Not only this but the crafting in the game doesn't let you make money. Hell, i have never played a game that the crafting is so horrible that you LOSE money selling things. You make more money selling the ingredients then the actual product. Something is very wrong with this system and Blizzard wonders why there are these gold farming companies making MINTS off of their game.

-Balance: So many people keep bitching about the balance between classes. MMO's are social games. Get this through your heads. You NEED other classes to complete objectives. No, I don't think you should ALWAYS need someone else to help you complete objectives, but yes for many things you should. If a warrior is out dps-ing a rogue, there's a problem. If a druid is out-healing a priest, there's a problem.

-PvP: As mentioned with the balance complaint, you're not meant to be the solution to all problems, but in WoW people play like that. As a warlock you shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with a warrior, but I've seen it done. There's something wrong with this... that and that gear is the ONLY influence over whos the better man in PvP.

Now aside from all these faulty game mechanics there is the problem of the awful community. I cant stand trade chat. I turn it off its just that awful. The forums are even worse.

The game itself has set the progression of MMO's back quite a few years as there is no thought, strategy or skills to create a good character. There is nothing innovative about the game at all.

Lastly a major obstacle that needs to be overcome by other developers is that they all want the numbers that WoW has. Its not going to happen and the financial backers of other developers want this. Because of this you need to find someone with faith in your development abilities and deep, deep pockets. WoW is a freak of nature and its success probably wont be recreated again. If any other game gets a million active subscribers then that will be a good day for games.

Overall WoW just shunts the growth of the genre as long as it remains as popular as it has. Because of this, other potential games that could have a lot to offer rarely make it out of the starting gate, and many people who started with WoW are now looking for the next thing, thats a little more advanced and has a little more depth then what WoW has to offer... and it wont happen for a while.

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Alright, if I've said anything bad about wow it's only because of my personal experience w/them.

I left the game after a few years of playing. In that time I believed things would get better so I kept holding on.

Initially the game pulled me in because I played a 2d game - seeing 3d was an improvement.

The community in-game was rude ok, downright mean. They didn't help ppl that asked questions, instead they made fun of them. If someone complained about something in chat - they would tag along and go on for hours about how their class was the one underpowered and screwed over. If you don't believe this, have a look at the forums, you don't even have to subscribe to see the negative environment.

I fell for it - the whole shebang. I posted on the forums and questioned things like why I was using a class that had a magical dps build but they refused to make magical dps gear in leather that matched the stats on cloth. Blizzard kept saying they would improve things. We all waited and they didn't. I got tired of it after the expansion came and little was done.

When guilded, I ran the repetitive raids just to be smacked in the face when told that I can't have  THAT gear, it goes to the cloth wearers. There were a few times I got something by handmedown, otherwise it was all decided in favor of the "real" magic users. The odd part is that when they were short a tank I would switch out as needed to a build that favored a tank and used bear form - I hate tanking ok, but I did it to aid groups that didn't care to aid me because of course, when tanking gear dropped it was for the "real" tanks. Lemme tell ya, being a hybrid in that game is drama you don't want - everyone wants you to do a job but refuses to allow you to use the gear to do it. You are left on your own to try to piece something together with rep grinds or crafted/quested items while the rest of the group is picking up fancy shinies that are made for their class. At some point this all became real apparent that my investment was quite one-sided.

The thing that made me finally go was when they finally gave my class a cc that was like 6 second duration that wouldn't let you be dmgd and ppl complained until that got watered down into a removable effect by any class with a trinket.

Even when I left ppl told me you'll be back - everyone leaves and returns because there are so many ppl here that they have us by the balls, to leave means you leave friends. You know, I cancelled and have never returned. I have no interest in returning to that disgusting community with devs that make fun of their players and promises they never follow thru with.

I guess if I say anything bad about the game it is from personal distaste, it wouldn't be just a distance judgment and that makes me able to judge the wow I knew as harshly as I would judge a restaurant that gave me food poisoning. I haven't even mentioned any of the in-game problems like quests not being able to be turned in and bosses bugging out or the fact that you were unable to participate in parts of the game w/out addons. It's just not a good game to me.

WoW is popular, not great. American Idol is popular too. Funny.

Originally posted by Briansho

Just because McDonalds serves over 10 million people each year doesn't mean its the best/healthiest food for you.

But does it possibly mean that McDonalds is the service best suited to "everybody's" needs/wants?

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Originally posted by Briansho

Just because McDonalds serves over 10 million people each year doesn't mean its the best/healthiest food for you.

But does it possibly mean that McDonalds is the service best suited to "everybody's" needs/wants?

no, it means that it's cheap, fast an easy.

Think of wow as the biggest kid in the block... Not everyone likes that.

Also since wow has many players it is the easiest game to troll, it will aways be a lot of players getting upset.

Toothpaste is popular too!  That must mean only World of Warcraft players brush their teeth.

Don't let the man keep you down, don't brush your teeth.

All I know is that I've played WoW and it wasn't a bad game but not really my cup of tea, although fantasy mmorpgs are my favorite.  I think the biggest problem with the game is the people that play it, not all don't get me wrong but most I've seen are a different breed of a-holes (pardon the language) and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Originally posted by Briansho

Just because McDonalds serves over 10 million people each year doesn't mean its the best/healthiest food for you.

But does it possibly mean that McDonalds is the service best suited to "everybody's" needs/wants?

The food part is the need. So the logic might go like this: WoW serves I-don't-really-know-how-many gamers whose gaming "needs" are served. Well their needs are served indeed. I have never felt ecstatic in MMO like I was by playing them old console RPG's.

I don't eat at McDonald's because I WANT to eat there, but rather for the reason that I NEED to eat. It could've been Wendy's.

Because apparently its cool to hate WoW. People jump on the bandwagon, they want to hate it. Its not a fact whether they've played it properly or even at all, they just simply think its cool and follow the crowd.

Couple of years time it'l be something new.

For clearly abusing the colors of the rainbow!!!!!!

and for showing me colors I have never seen before and now realize I never wanted to see them.

As soon as I saw the topic of this message, I had the answer, but I saw that 3on1 already beat me to it.

No matter what forum you read, you'll see a hoard of negative comments about every game, along with a hoard of comments stating that the game is the greatest (or will be the greatest) game of all time.  Although I can appreciate that many posting their opinions are simply being passionate about their feelings, it does for the most part get tiresome.

I only visit this site nowadays to (1) read up on the latest factual news as gathered by the news-writers/editors, and (2) to rarely participate in forums where somebody asks an honest question about a game in an unbiased and reasonably mature manner (or states an opinion in a non-aggressive, helpful type of manner).

Needless to say, you'll notice from my post count that I don't particpate in the forums very much... draw your own conclusions...

Warning: MMORPG.com contains MMOers of all paths, jealousy will be high.

I've played most all MMOs post-2000, That includes Guild Wars, Eve Online, Everquest II, DAoC, Even Shadowbane and *gasp* Runescape.

I like WoW more than any of them because I find it casual, relaxing, and I don't have to worry about the constant elitist bitching, being ganked endlessly, or have to grind for 4 hours to get money.

Yet I have the power to simply not care what others think or do, these are just games made for entertainment and we all have our own likes and dislikes. It's a free world, do what you want but leave me and my likes out of your whining, thats the way I think it should be.

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Originally posted by jposavatz
As soon as I saw the topic of this message, I had the answer, but I saw that 3on1 already beat me to it.
No matter what forum you read, you'll see a hoard of negative comments about every game, along with a hoard of comments stating that the game is the greatest (or will be the greatest) game of all time. Although I can appreciate that many posting their opinions are simply being passionate about their feelings, it does for the most part get tiresome.
I only visit this site nowadays to (1) read up on the latest factual news as gathered by the news-writers/editors, and (2) to rarely participate in forums where somebody asks an honest question about a game in an unbiased and reasonably mature manner (or states an opinion in a non-aggressive, helpful type of manner).
Needless to say, you'll notice from my post count that I don't particpate in the forums very much... draw your own conclusions...

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You sir, are my Hero.

Originally posted by Warpriest02

WoW is not the best mmorpg, there is no best mmorpg but WoW is a very good game, better than some of the games that have been on the top rated. Even mentioning WoW is good even on the WoW message board on this site you get blasted. So whats wrong with it that makes every one hate it?

Wowers often come to this board (and others) and post how much better wow was than all other MMOs out there, and that only blizzard was able to make good MMOs, 10mio players, 10mio players. This is, what makes some people crazy )

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Originally posted by Kilmar

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Originally posted by Warpriest02

WoW is not the best mmorpg, there is no best mmorpg but WoW is a very good game, better than some of the games that have been on the top rated. Even mentioning WoW is good even on the WoW message board on this site you get blasted. So whats wrong with it that makes every one hate it?

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Wowers often come to this board (and others) and post how much better wow was than all other MMOs out there, and that only blizzard is able to make good MMOs, 10mio players, 10mio players. This is, what makes some people crazy )

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It's 12 million, not 10. :P

Don't let it get to you, everything is blamed on Wow, world hunger, politics, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Killings, Drive by shootings, Extinction, 2012, the LHC...its the cool thing to do.

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Originally posted by 3on1
every game is hated on this site

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The thread shouldve ended after this.

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Originally posted by DragonMyth88

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Originally posted by 3on1
every game is hated on this site

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The thread shouldve ended after this.

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Epic Win for Epic Truth.

Originally posted by Scalebane

Don't let it get to you, everything is blamed on Wow, world hunger, politics, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Killings, Drive by shootings, Extinction, 2012, the LHC...its the cool thing to do.

ROFLMAO!!!!  Hilarious, and in a warped and twisted way TRUE, on these forums, anyway.

If you like WoW....you're a moron, pure and simple.  That's the attitude of most of the gaming self-proclaimed elitist "experts" on this site.  Hello, WHAT?!  I think the Warhammer fanbois have dragged the site down into dimensions of idiocy beyond what I recall ever seeing here before.  OMG...don't insult their new toy, or they will come to the WoW threads and insult WoW.  Whoopedy doo!  ROFL  As if insulting the game that someone else enjoys somehow VALIDATES your enjoyment of a different game??  How idiotic is that?

Why they don't spend more time PLAYING their precious game and LESS time going "my daddy is better than YOUR daddy" here....I will never know.

The most inane thing is...we're arguing about GAMES here.  It's not like these discussions have ANY bearing on the course of real life.  Get a GRIP, people.  Just play what you like and call it a day.  FFS!

Some people even play more than ONE game!!     SHOCKING!

Um... This is a gaming site. Of course people are arguing about games. Games are part of real life :O They do affect it. So argue away.

It's fashionable and cool to hate the topdog. Humanity screwed together like that. Some of the WoW posters here rub the regular posters the wrong way, as they are quite elitist and sitting on their 10m+ high horse. Some people just hate for the sake of hating, while other hate just to bait other people to respond to them. They get some perverse pleasure out of it or something Jealusy another factor aswell. They see their favourite mmo die a slow death cause more and more people leave to play WoW. Another thing I've seen aswell, a mate of mine is guilty in doing that too, is that when the WoW player gotten burnt out on the game, he/she go around hating it, saying how much it suck.

Best thing to do is just to ignore both the fanboys and the haters, allthough it's fun sometimes to argue with them.

Regular people have sports, we have our "games". It's fun to cheer for your team and everybody loves the underdog, it's just human nature.

!!GOOOOO BLIZZARD!!

I think it's mostly because when you first play WoW, you think the game runs smooth, the graphics are decent, and the gameplay is dead simple.  So simple, 12 million monkeys could learn how to play it!

After you've played for a while, you think this is pretty repetative, but I know the endgame will rock so I'll keep grinding away and be ready to kick some butt!

When you get to the endgame, you realize that the game really is just as simple as it seemed in the newbie village at level 1, but the monsters got bigger, your shoulderpads got bigger, and it's more laggy now.  Now that you've slogged through all the content, it's time to sit back and watch while your Epic Pants play the game for you.

SOME of us like a little depth to our games. :)

People hate Google, Microsoft, America, Wal-Mart, and WoW.

You can be successful, but if you are too successful you attract haters.