I love the messages that come up everytime they ban a gold seller or anyone doing something banable :) Three cheers for Mythic!! They're actually working to clean out the gold sellers. Banning their accounts is going to get expensive on those guys lol. Glad they're being real tough on them 1 strike that is it...Yeeeeerrrrrr outta here! :)

i have only gotten 1 tell in Volkmar for items...and none since then

Originally posted by cukimunga

Yeah i got 2 tells today from gold sellers.  I just wonder where they got the money already to sell.  I knew a kid that bought gold in LOTRO I gave him so much shit for that.  I just don't know why anyone would want to spend real money on fake money. lol

I've heard this before and I think people don't really understand what money is.

For all intent and purposes online money is real money. You are essentially trading a certain amount of "something" for virtual goods and services.

In the case of an online game you are using a graphical representation to trade for a graphical representation.

Our money (depending on where you come from) is not woth the paper it is printed on. What? You think that the piece of paper that indicates $100 dollars is actually worth $100? It only has worth because the govt. says it does and we believe in and back that government.

In a video game you are trading. They might not be items you can touch but they are a representation of items that you can trade for virtual goods and services in the game. It might not have worth at your local department store but it has worth in the game. Just like confederacy bills don't have worth today but at the time they had worth to the confederacy.

So, for people to pay whatever the coin of the land is for virtual money, they are saying that what that virtual money represents (whether it is a virtual item or the time saved from having to earn virtual money) is worth a certain amount of real world coin to them.

Now, having said this, I'm not condoning the practice of buying online cash. But it's important to note that it does have worth given a game's setting. It has worth in the game. The game makers say it has worth and it will give you the ability to purchase "x" in the game for "y".  Therefore it is money.

And because it has worth in the game and because there are people who want/need to gain certain things in the game they have ascribed a real world's worth of currency to it.

Money is the trading of somethign that has some sort of defined worth to you for somethign else that you find also has worth.

 edit: another example is my subway pass. It has "x" amount of dollars assigned to the card  and I can use that worth for "y" amount of subway rides. But I am not trading printed currency for those rides. Come to think of it I didn't trade any printed currency as I used my debit card to transfer value to the subway card. Virtual money for virtual and eventually "real" value.

Originally posted by Blodpls

Originally posted by Lizard_SF

Third: Include in the EULA a *large* penalty for gold selling, farming, using bought characters, or other TOS-violating behavior. Said penalty will be *monetary*, not merely account cancellation. Let's say...100 dollars for selling gold, PER CHARACTER ON THE ASSOCIATED CARD -- no matter how many different game accounts ARE LINKED TO THAT CARD.

Unenforceable, possibly illegal.

 

Not to mention the mess when the gold selling companies use other people's cc info (or hacked accounts). Remember, gold sellers have no ethics. Fining them won't work.

Originally posted by Bladin

Kinda sad i see this topic just after receiving a gold seller tell.

I really hope they implement a spam filter early on into the games lifecycle

Agreed WoW truly got out of hand

Originally posted by lugal

I'll admit to buying gold. I dont care if people dont like that. I just cant see wasting what little free time I have on grinding for gold. Its not fun. So, instead of doing something not fun, I'll spend 5 or 10 bucks for a quick infusion of gold to keep myself afloat. I make more than enough money to cover multiple accounts in many games, I just dont have the time to waste grinding.

If companies were serious about stoping the gold sellers, they need to change how the economy works in games, or they need to sell gold themselves. Those are the only 2 ways to end it the spam, but you will never end gold buying.

But hacks and cheats, need to banned on first offense. They do that enough, peple will not risk it.

 

I hope you like getting your account hacked and everything taken from you, because thats how many of these gold selling companies get their in game money from.  That gold you just bought was more than likely stolen from someones hacked account.

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Originally posted by Harpy_Lady

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Originally posted by Blodpls

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Originally posted by Lizard_SF Third: Include in the EULA a *large* penalty for gold selling, farming, using bought characters, or other TOS-violating behavior. Said penalty will be *monetary*, not merely account cancellation. Let's say...100 dollars for selling gold, PER CHARACTER ON THE ASSOCIATED CARD -- no matter how many different game accounts ARE LINKED TO THAT CARD.

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Unenforceable, possibly illegal.
 

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Not to mention the mess when the gold selling companies use other people's cc info (or hacked accounts). Remember, gold sellers have no ethics. Fining them won't work.

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I'll add to this. A company can not enforce a fine, only law enforcement therefore making that possibility impossible and illegal. If Washington decides it is time to tax for virtual assets then this could come into play if the law actually decides to police the internet.

But at this point in time not happening. Also there are things called charge backs in which anyone could charge back the card get their money back no questions asked but now the card will be impossible to use on that merchant again. The merchant is blacklisted from the bank.

Originally posted by lugal

I'll admit to buying gold. I dont care if people dont like that. I just cant see wasting what little free time I have on grinding for gold. Its not fun. So, instead of doing something not fun, I'll spend 5 or 10 bucks for a quick infusion of gold to keep myself afloat. I make more than enough money to cover multiple accounts in many games, I just dont have the time to waste grinding.

If companies were serious about stoping the gold sellers, they need to change how the economy works in games, or they need to sell gold themselves. Those are the only 2 ways to end it the spam, but you will never end gold buying.

But hacks and cheats, need to banned on first offense. They do that enough, peple will not risk it.

 

IMO you are a hacker and a cheater purchasing a product that according to the game manufacturer is against its rules and the law.  You are purchasing intellectual property with real money which is pretty much just as bad as hacking.  By purchasing gold technically you are breaking the law and it is people like you I have to thank for the constant gold spam messages.  You are just as bad as a hacker or a cheater because in all reality you yourself are just that.

I use autohotkey to remap my keys because I can't do it with WAR's user interface. You can't map E to foward and cntrl-E to auto attack for example. I'm sure Mythic will fix this at some point.

I might get a ban.

Originally posted by scribe331

 

Originally posted by lugal

I'll admit to buying gold. I dont care if people dont like that. I just cant see wasting what little free time I have on grinding for gold. Its not fun. So, instead of doing something not fun, I'll spend 5 or 10 bucks for a quick infusion of gold to keep myself afloat. I make more than enough money to cover multiple accounts in many games, I just dont have the time to waste grinding.

If companies were serious about stoping the gold sellers, they need to change how the economy works in games, or they need to sell gold themselves. Those are the only 2 ways to end it the spam, but you will never end gold buying.

But hacks and cheats, need to banned on first offense. They do that enough, peple will not risk it.

 

 

IMO you are a hacker and a cheater purchasing a product that according to the game manufacturer is against its rules and the law.  You are purchasing intellectual property with real money which is pretty much just as bad as hacking.  By purchasing gold technically you are breaking the law and it is people like you I have to thank for the constant gold spam messages.  You are just as bad as a hacker or a cheater because in all reality you yourself are just that.

I hate to admit it but you are Correct  and i agree here, i have bought gold in the past for SilkRoad but that game was a disaster Zone b4 i decided to buy gold for it but since then i despise these gold sellers as yes it is them that screw the Economy in various ways and make's for easy gaming for others. Im sorry but if you dont have the time to Grind or play the game to collect gold then maybe you should not be playing the damn game to me it seems as that you are not interested in the game but only interested in having all the cool gear (that you did not remotely even try to achieve yourself) and try and be a showoff to ya mates seriousy it is not hard to get coin in game and you would probably realize this if you just tried to actually play it instead of buying your way through it.

 how about just getting rid of gold? 

I mean it is used in every game and from what i can tell it is a problem to the community. Developers can surely come up with a different form of currency that cannot be traded between players, maybe when killing monsters/etc could gain merchanting points (ie money) or summit like that which can be used to purchase items, these points can not be traded between players.

Meh prob a bit confusing what i just said but i can't see any other way around it. :/

Yeah, I just couldn't believe my eyes...second day that this game is released the Gold sellers are in Chat peddling....

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by 3on1

Originally posted by lugal

I'll admit to buying gold. I dont care if people dont like that. I just cant see wasting what little free time I have on grinding for gold. Its not fun. So, instead of doing something not fun, I'll spend 5 or 10 bucks for a quick infusion of gold to keep myself afloat. I make more than enough money to cover multiple accounts in many games, I just dont have the time to waste grinding.

If companies were serious about stoping the gold sellers, they need to change how the economy works in games, or they need to sell gold themselves. Those are the only 2 ways to end it the spam, but you will never end gold buying.

But hacks and cheats, need to banned on first offense. They do that enough, peple will not risk it.

 

 

making money is a big part of mmos and i get most fun out trying to make money, mmos are not all about lvling up and using uber endgame gear, its the road towards it. clearly u dont understand that or do u like having everything handed over to u on a golden plate just cause u have enough irl money to dump it in a virtual economy? i had a similar convo when someone joined our AO guild and admitted he made a living off selling virtual money, he defended it by saying he could see his kids all the time, i just found it pathetic... anyway goldselling/powerlvling/buying accounts happen all the time in almost every game, its a part of the mmo genre

 

You are an idiot who fails at reading comprehension.

You make broad statements about my character yet you have nothing to base it off of. Pull your head from your rear. Also, your grammar is by the worst I have seen on these forums, making mine look perfect.

haha, aggressive much?!! u are avoiding the discussion by attacking me :) gg.
 

also since when do ppl care about grammar on a forum? ow yea just another personal attack cause u cant stand my vision on how to play an mmo, grow up or come up with a real discussion.

btw i thought u didnt care if ppl dont like you for buying gold. u make yourself look funny

sooo 2nd try: i find your whole "not enough time" excuse lame, u dont want to spend time on grinding for gold yet that is a vital part of an mmo. before u start attacking me with "you dont work/have kids" etc. i study and that takes as much time as a fulltime job, i also play soccer 2 days a week, and i go out 2 times a week. yet i still find PLENTY of time to grind (and i play multiple mmos) and get ingame gold w/o having to buy it from some asian sweatshop.

u should just cut all subs xcept for one so u can grind and get gold in a fair way towards your fellow players, so you can finally really experience what its like to play an mmo. and im guessing u are playing all those mmos where no skill is involved cause honestly.. in sandboxes all ebayers (like you) get their asses kicked in pvp for not knowing how to play the game. anyway.. good day to you mr nice guy. hf ruining game economies and keeping those goldspam bots alive.

Originally posted by laresloci

Yeah, I just couldn't believe my eyes...second day that this game is released the Gold sellers are in Chat peddling....

    Yea it doesnt take long for asshats to jump in and start ruining a game as long as there is a buck in it for them, sad really.

   I've read that EA has banned 400+ goldspamer accounts so far and is serious about banning all they find.     Go get  'em EA.

i just start to wonder how the people who dont buy gold, and have lots of it, even have enough real life money to pay there subs?

cheating on the system? to get money without working for it? now thats real cheating..

Well today i encountered my forst CHEAT in PvP.

This Distruction player had an Unlimited speed buff.

No one could catch him when he had the flag and he capped the 3 flags in under a min.

Even the other distruction players stopped fighting us to watch him.

And it was funny as most of them and us left the game.

This is just sad....

He was a Black Orc, Lev 20....so he had a really good chance against any of us...but to cheat to win...thats just sad.

It's one thing to moan about those buying gold...but to cheat so openly in PvP is just sad.

Trust a Distruction player to cheat first....

Originally posted by angeles2o1o

Well today i encountered my forst CHEAT in PvP.

This Distruction player had an Unlimited speed buff.

No one could catch him when he had the flag and he capped the 3 flags in under a min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq0uXna6-Co

Something like this?

There are a lot of scary hacks coming out, I'm not gonna post the vids directly because I don't want to get banned for promoting them or anything, but they are on youtube.

Yep...that was basicly what it was like.

He got the lag and was gone.

Sad that people cheat to win something that basicly means nothing.

Ruins it for everyone else...even his own side.

Originally posted by Redmow

 Yes, open season on gold sellers would be awesome! With the ability to fully loot their corpse.

Most awesome suggestion for MMOs that I have EVER seen.