Originally posted by Fireside286

Originally posted by Unicorns_Pwn

Originally posted by Fireside286

OP there is alot of people on here that are blinded by the new'ness of the game and the only people that will stay in the coming months are people to pissed to quit because of the money they spent..

The game is in horrible shape, I wish I had got into beta because I wouldn't have purchased it.  The cut seen looks like crap, and there are so many things wrong with the game its going to fall fast.  I am not a fanboi of anything else or this game, but was really hoping this would be it for a long time considering I played DAoC for a few years.

Unfortunately I purchased a brick that someday might build a house but right now it just sits there along with the rest of the bricks waiting for the morter. 

Anyone reading this and on the fence I wouldn't buy this game if I could go back, its needs alot of work.  Some top issues are balance, framerate, crafting, people running around naked in scenarios, pq's have completeing issues, chat system is horrid, and to many others to mention or think about at 10 am in the morning.

Good luck if you go against what I have said, you would be better off saving your money or doing something else with it.

Fire

 

The characters run around naked for Tome of Knowledge unlocks. Seriously, look into shit before you start spewing from the mouth. Although I haven't seen the issues you speak of since the game launched, did you take the time to report the problem or did you just come here to bitch.

I came here to fuel people like you, to make the fire brighter...
 

Tome unlock my ass, people don't care like you do that is the problem others trying to ruin the pvp game for people like me.

Get off your high horse and park it...

 

OH forgot to add, I wouldn't need to be reporting bugs if mythic would have signed up testers that do just that TEST instead of previewing to see if they want to buy...

 

Negative is the best feedback in the world, it gets things done and alot of that War needs..Hell there hasn't been an update since the game went live put that on the burner..

Wow... just... wow... I have never met an idiot like you... just... wow...

As of the 25, when you wrote your idiotic statement, Mythic has had an update just about every day since War went live, and I think 2 or 3 in Normal headstart, and several (5 ~ 10) in just the week / 2 week sof open beta.... sorry man.. but.. you have no clue what you are talking about.

You can go to their herald website and see spam after spam of updates... and how do they do this miraculous update thing?  Well, they update, on average, from 3am to about 9 ~ 10 am in the morning (barring emergency updates - which they had ONE today.... amazing, huh... I think only ONE emergency update since launch, rest are just regular (daily) updates for now...)

Right now, they've been updating just about EVERY DAY!!

Hopefully, in about 2 or 3 months, they will go to a 1 time a week or even 1 a month update...

SO you, sir, are a blatant liar.

Thank you,

And good bye!

I was going to read the entire thread to see if there was anything intelligent in it but the most intelligent thing I found was ProfRed calling OP a toolbag and that was the end of the thread.

A bunch of fanbois who have nothing better to do with their lives than spam and swear at eachother pretending they know more than the other and their point is more valid just because they can spam more or swear at eachother.

Well done ladies, nice waste of space on MMORPG's server.

Originally posted by Recant What a load of crap.
I'm an MMO Veteran, starting with EQ in 2000ish Kunark Era and I found Warhammer to lack the control and brilliant game design of WoW. It cannot possibly hope to touch World of Warcraft in every department. The only thing it has is it's 'twist' of RVR. Every MMORPG these days has their special 'twist' to try and seperate themselves from Wow, but their overall experience falls far short. Even if RVR is soo important to you that you have to play the game just for that feature, the overall experience will always be far diminished compared to WoW.
WAR feels rough and outsourced, like every part has been outsourced at the last minute and tied together. The game doesn't have the flow of WoW, theres no internal consistency and it just doesn't feel fun to play.
WAR feels like a game designed by Javascript "programmers" instead of game designers.
There is just no comparison. The Scenarios are nothing more than blander, more imbalanced battlegrounds with poor design and a few useless 'twists' that serve no purpose than to lure people into thinking the gameplay is deeper. The combat is disgraceful, it's far more poorly designed than WoW, where everything connects and flows and it just feels like superior design compared to WAR's patchwork quilt of a game.
And the general gaming population know this to be true. Not most of you guys for sure, but our opinions here are not superior to the silent masses, nor are they indicative at all of what's going on in the real world. This place is a hotbed of negativity and you cannot see the wood for the trees, WoW is a far superior game and this is not personal opinion or blind fanboism, this is simply the way things are. You don't have to like it, but to deny it is just lying to yourself. You will never understand why you enjoy gaming until you accept and understand the fantastic aspects of WoW, even if not to your personal tastes, to hide behind ignorance by making false claims that your game of choice exceeds in every area is self-dellusion.
Warhammer is an OK game, it will forever be OK and will forever live in the shadow of WoW and perhaps the game that eventually surpasses it.
You will most likely shake your head violently and dismiss me as a troll, yet with your petty MacDonalds and Britney spears analogies that you come up with in bouts of pseudo-intellectualism, and your pretentious 'wow is just a kiddie game, RVR is where its at!' excuses are transparent and as false as the promises of all of these hyped MMORPGs.
I'll no doubt see you on these boards not long after WAR is just a memory eagerly anticipating the next 'WoW killer'
And all I can say, as I have said time and time again to people on these boards waiting for Hellgate, LOTOR, Tabala Rasa, Archlord, D&D online... bloody dozens of the things.. is.. I told you so.

Bumped up for greatness !!!
What was that yesterday night on this forum: the invasion of the Wow "haters" or something?
Personal insults and attacks on persons known to love an MMO named Wow ?
If this continues I am going to call 911. We need protection.
Tx Recant for putting everything in place. This forum is worse than fighting the invasions in Mount Hyjal. We had a blast there last night. Far better than looking into the post of these threads.
 

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This is your response to a post by Recant in the WoW forums not long ago.  First, if you're going to flame the game at least use your own thoughts.  Second, you tell WAR fanboys to not respond to your post when you're an obvious WoW lover.  Lol, your original post sucks and is pretty transparent.  I see your flame of WAR as nothing more than a little child trying to retaliate because some WAR fan is saying WoW sucks on your beloved boards.  Seriously, go grind more levels, rep, and gear when your beloved 2nd expansion in 4+ years is released in November whilst Blizzard continues to laugh all the way to the bank.

Originally posted by Liranan

I was going to read the entire thread to see if there was anything intelligent in it but the most intelligent thing I found was ProfRed calling OP a toolbag and that was the end of the thread.

A bunch of fanbois who have nothing better to do with their lives than spam and swear at eachother pretending they know more than the other and their point is more valid just because they can spam more or swear at eachother.

 

Well done ladies, nice waste of space on MMORPG's server.

Sigh you are right and I am embarassed.  I will be taking a break from drama and try to only post constructively.  I don't know what it is about bodypass that makes me want to argue with him.  Oh well.

Originally posted by bodypass

A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.

It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..

It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -

Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.

Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.


The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.

Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.

This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.


It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.

 I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.

And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
 

You remind me of a guy I used to know.  When we would go to the movies he would talk through the whole thing, criticizing various unrealistic aspects of the movie.  No shit  IT'S A MOVIE projected onto white screen.  Yet he is convinced of his superiority because he recognizes the illusion.  LOL.  Well listen up Sherlock, we all know the mountains in WAR are not real.

Why don't you name an mmo for me currently out that meets all your standards?  Then we'll do a little comparing eh?

Originally posted by bodypass

A game that replaces a FULL 3D world you can fly over ...with pure and utterly crappy cut scenes of you being tied to a helicopter is a tribute to the downfall this gaming industry is now known for.

It takes at least 12 months to develop a full 3D world you can fly over, land everywhere you want and adventure in..

It takes 2 days to make a loading cut screen like in WAR.

Yes indeed THAT is about the difference between the vast superior quality some offer compared to the work of amateurs trying to do the “same thing”.

And do NOT enter in this discussion War fan boys, because in about EVERY other aspect of WAR this HUGE ugly gap is showing.
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From complete lacking intelligence in the Mob paths to extreme lacking control functions in PvP combat (yes CC DOES need MORE programming efforts), to complete absence of different (so more costly to develop) class resources (like mana).

This game is a laugh as an MMORPG – a WORLD you live in -

Everything is window dressing in this game. The high mountains are a cheap 2D camouflage to lure you into utterly crap of ‘tunnel vision” progress. A fixed road to just more of the same: bashing some heads of others, stupid enough to play.

Scenarios are a laugh. Some are being played on a post stamp.


The game’s ugliness is a new milestone of that famous new legendary one-liner :
“How to take the money and run with the LEAST effort possible.

Grtz to the intelligence of all people who don’t even notice the most obvious.

This WAR is about the deepest fall in the development of MMO Role Playing Games you can have.


It’s tasteless, boring and has an incredibly bad design (just look at the server caps which will strangle its own populations in two months time), but mostly it is CHEAP in execution.

 I wouldn’t even play it if it were offered free. Still a few days left on my cancelled CE tx to GOA, but I can't even log in anymore. I am too spoiled with the approach of real hi quality and polished games.

And I hope for the sake of the industry the annalists ARE right: - 250 K after three months - because that would even be too much honour.
 

Im glad WAR did it the way they did.  No doubt they could have done world travel like WoW or EQ2, but why waste your time flying in the air when you could be killing shit.  In WoW there is travel times of 8 minutes or more. I would just tab out and surf the web. It gets boring looking at your guy fly in the air after the first few times.   Thanks Mythic for taking out some hella boring world flight.

*watches everyone feed the troll, offers ProfRed a bag of popcorn and a beer*  Man the drama never ends... *munches* 

Originally posted by cukimunga

Im glad WAR did it the way they did.  No doubt they could have done world travel like WoW or EQ2, but why waste your time flying in the air when you could be killing shit.  In WoW there is travel times of 8 minutes or more. I would just tab out and surf the web. It gets boring looking at your guy fly in the air after the first few times.   Thanks Mythic for taking out some hella boring world flight.

I wasn't even talking of the basic fly paths of Wow.

I was talking of the FREE to fly over the complete landscape of the Outlands and land wherever you want: on rooftops, mountains, forests, lakes (and dive into them).

This is acalled a free open seamless world in which you you are having adventures.

This is called professional programming and MMORPG worlds.

These direct flights SAVE time actually.

Originally posted by elvenangel

*watches everyone feed the troll, offers ProfRed a bag of popcorn and a beer*  Man the drama never ends... *munches* 

 

* Pulls up a chair and enjoys the show *

The only comment I'll make is that WAR is about getting you into the action. It is linear, the world isn't connected (in terms of the other starting areas), and that is all done on purpose to get you where you need to be faster.

Ever taken the "subway" in WoW? Same concept.

WAR isn't a world as it is now, but it is definitely an experience.

Originally posted by Fireside286

OP there is alot of people on here that are blinded by the new'ness of the game and the only people that will stay in the coming months are people to pissed to quit because of the money they spent..

The game is in horrible shape, I wish I had got into beta because I wouldn't have purchased it.  The cut seen looks like crap, and there are so many things wrong with the game its going to fall fast.  I am not a fanboi of anything else or this game, but was really hoping this would be it for a long time considering I played DAoC for a few years.

Unfortunately I purchased a brick that someday might build a house but right now it just sits there along with the rest of the bricks waiting for the morter. 

Anyone reading this and on the fence I wouldn't buy this game if I could go back, its needs alot of work.  Some top issues are balance, framerate, crafting, people running around naked in scenarios, pq's have completeing issues, chat system is horrid, and to many others to mention or think about at 10 am in the morning.

Good luck if you go against what I have said, you would be better off saving your money or doing something else with it.

Fire

Again only this simple rely: Ridiculous!

Just thought I would once again, put his post history:

So why does it stutter when 20 people fight at once?

Even the fanboys are noticing it. And certainly Mythic knows it too, because they still have the very low population caps on the servers.
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There HAS to be a reason why they keep the server populations so low ----- > lag and badly written code.

AoC had instances to keep the game running client side. War has servers with 1/3 the population of other MMORPG and everyone still sees the lag.
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Ok enough with the trivial things: Let's do the BIG things/

1. How about real FLYING units instead of a pathetic loading screen with you being tied up to a very bad version of a chirocopter.

A real 3D open world you can fly over instead of bumping into cartonish walls of fake mountains, always covering 30 to 60% of the maps.

Oh BTW Warhammer TT has very much a huge amount of flying mounts.
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On the WAR forums there are guys even stating it is the "next generation of MMO's".

While taking a "flight path" in WAR: you look at a 2D/3D animated loading screen. How far must standards fall before anyone stands up there and says "Hello?, knock knock, anyone home up there"?

Only silence can honor it. And I'll bump it up if necessary.
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So because I like playing Wow more than WAR (which I also play) I am a troll ?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why is the OP not playing the game he likes, but coming after one he doesn't?

Originally posted by Ixnatifual

I really love the instant travel in WAR. One of the things I really hated in WoW was having to sit there staring at my character doing absolutely nothing for 10 minutes while traveling somewhere. WAR's method lets the players focus on playing the game, rather than waiting for the game to let you play.

      I liked the Griffin flights until I had to do it for the umpteenth time and started to hate it.......The first few times it is very nice but after awhile I found myself afking for several minutes because I hated having to wait so long to get somewhere.......

Originally posted by Terranah

 

You remind me of a guy I used to know.  When we would go to the movies he would talk through the whole thing, criticizing various unrealistic aspects of the movie.  No shit  IT'S A MOVIE projected onto white screen.  Yet he is convinced of his superiority because he recognizes the illusion.  LOL.  Well listen up Sherlock, we all know the mountains in WAR are not real.

 

Why don't you name an mmo for me currently out that meets all your standards?  Then we'll do a little comparing eh?

LMAO, love this response.

Some may have notice my very simple repsonse to the OP. I have been know to go on and on. However the OP is so ridiculous it does not even need a response but this thread has been fun to read. 

Good post OP. Thought i had to give the same answer all the fanboys give to all the positive posts. LMAO. But i do 100% agree with the OP. Wats next a game where you dont even have to level you walk right outside a town and sit there like in all endgames. WHERES THE COMPLEXITY?

Why do i have to keep repeating myself, if you ignore these people they get bored and go away. It s like a little kid copying everything you say. If you stop they get bored and move on. Just stop feeding them.

Originally posted by elvenangel

*watches everyone feed the troll, offers ProfRed a bag of popcorn and a beer*  Man the drama never ends... *munches* 

lol thanks.  What server did you end up on anyway?

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by Kaenash

What would fix the flyover thing is to let the player set one of three options:

 

1- Cut scene

2-Fly Over

3- Instant Teleport

 

Option one works like now.

Fly Over would let you observe the landscape the way precious WoW does as you fly through (and I had a couple CTDs back then when I used to do this in the early days of launch)

Instant Teleport would be the option 98% of us would probably select after we've seen both the other two a few times.

 

 

Apparently you don't even know that the HQ technique means:
 

You can fly ALL over the land (cities, forests, mountains, rivers) and land ANYWHERE you want and start your adventure.

This is the way it is done in 2007 TBC and will be done in WotLK and Aion also btw.

And Warhammer lore is FULL of flying mounts btw . !! So No excuse except cheap development here.

Yeah you can do that in WoW... once you hit lv 70 and paid thousands of gold for the flying mount.  Then you could only use it in the Outlands, not the main world.  So who's to say Mythic won't do something like that for WAR?

But as for how WAR handles flying for now, I'd rather it be that way then waiting 10+ mins like it's done in the main world in WoW.  Rather be playing the game then waiting and watching my character fly to the next area.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by zmortis

To the OP:  It's fine that you don't like the game WAR for whatever reasons you have.  Why in the world would you think it necessary to bleat out your opinion like a sick goat in a forum full of people who are playing and enjoying the game in spite of your dislike.  Many people don't agree on what they find fun, I don't see thousands of people who enjoy playing WAR leaving in 7 days because the travel between two points didn't take long enough. 

I suppose this wonderful fly anywhere and land anywhere to do anything in WoW you are talking about is available to a level 1 character?  Oh wait, is it reserved for those people who grind their way through 6 months of boredom to finally experience the glory of free to anywhere flight?  Before you say I know nothing of WoW, I was plaing WoW since beta, and I had fun playing WoW for 7 months after launch until I gradually found WoW becoming repetitive and boring to me.  A good game, but it lost my interest. 

The same experience may well happen to me in WAR.  Right now I am having fun playing WAR, and nothing you've pointed out in these forums means squat in terms of lessening my enjoyment of the game.  I like WAR for what it is, not for what someone else wished it could have been.  I don't care it isn't the best game ever made.  It's an essentially solid and fun to play game, and that's all that matters to me.  All your predictions, doomsaying, naysaying, bitching, moaning, comparing, and whining to the contrary don't change that fact.  I don't care if a game has average graphics, has a "been threre already" world, doesn't have the dream MMORPG checklist of features that meets the entire world's expectations.  I care if I enjoy playing it!  All that other crap is absolutely meaningless to me if I don't enjoy the gameplay. 

To everyone responding to the OP:  realistically the OP is likely just a troll who is playing a game in these forums where the goal is to raise controversy.  He's got nothing constructive to add to the conversation, but is looking to rile and annoy the general population here for his own amusement.  Feel free to debate him, but it is in essence a useless endeavor.  He is not looking to be convinced that WAR needs to be given a closer look, he is looking to argue for the fun of it.  The proof will be in the pudding when he refuses to engage me.  Unfortunately for him, I also like to argue for the fun of it, I don't get upset, and I don't get riled.  I'm very much the counter troll in that sense.  I'm just no fun to attempt to annoy. 

To the OP: any direct response?

I hope this helps.

 

Difference between you and me is obvious : I talk about a game, while you want to fight a person who just happens to publish his opinion on a game.

I don't care about trolls or other stuff. I care about MMORPG's and the sub standards they are into compared to some other publishers.

Like Redboy: he comes shouting every evening in here he HATES a game. Silly. I don't hate games, I do'nt hate people. I am merely annoyed by the fact that people always fall into the trap of underdevelopped products.

Products we all pay for and which are just not good enough.

Not in MY view, but in rather objectively measured facts. Hundreds of facts. But as I could not cite them all, I created a picture: a picture of a world made to make money - cheap .

Everyone with eyes in his head can see the difference between a fully created 3D world you can freely move in and a piece put together with false backgrounds and "loading screens" of flight paths.

Not even interested in fighting you. I am fighting for far better games. And yes Blizzard standards are much better (not perfect - but much much better).

I agree with you the difference is with you that you talk about a game.  Unfortunately for us that game is WoW, and you are trolling these forums by stating your preferences in gameplay being what WoW is giving it's customers.  I don't have a problem with the fact you enjoy the game design and product that Wow is providing you. 

I just don't understand why it has anything at all to do with whether WAR is a fun game or not.  You are essentially the same kind of troll that goes on a Harley Davidson Motorcycle forum and raves about how a Harley Davidson is not a Honda, and thus obviously inferior.  The point is if you don't like Harley Davidson Motor Cycles, why would anyone who does like a Harley Davidson need your input?  It's an inane activity, not constructive, not helpfull, and not useful anyone here or even yourself.  Unless this is some kind of grief therapy because World of Starcraft is not out yet.  We all get it, you don't like WAR.  Why can't you move on? 

Your presumption that WAR is substandard is flawed because there is no objective standard behind what makes a game fun to play.  If there were we would all still be playing Go and Chess since those have been "standards" of gameplay for hundreds of years.  WoW is not a standard, it is a product.  It's the same logic of saying, now that we have Doom, no one else need bother making a FPS because the "standard" is set.  That doesn't fly with game design because there is no such thing as an agreed upon standard.  There are only varying degrees of achieving commercial success.  If you want to prognosticate that WAR is a commercial failure, that's your perogative, but its useless to the current audience you have chosen.  So that either makes you a Don Quiote tilting at the windmill of the "perfect" MMO for everyone, or a troll trying to raise a little controversy for your own amusement. 

I hope this helps.

Any popcorn left? Looks like we might be here awhile...

Warhammer is a really good game..for people that have no idea of what a good mmo is all about...thats why ill stick with the best...wow...

Sometimes you need to try another game to realise how crappy everything is compared to wow...i mean..are game developers sleeping?? cant they make a quality mmo??

No..why? because some people will like any game they put to sale..so they will continue to make crappy mmos..as long as  there are people buying them...

Originally posted by Besttheiswow

Warhammer is a really good game..for people that have no idea of what a good mmo is all about...thats why ill stick with the best...wow...

 

Sometimes you need to try another game to realise how crappy everything is compared to wow...i mean..are game developers sleeping?? cant they make a quality mmo??

No..why? because some people will like any game they put to sale..so they will continue to make crappy mmos..as long as  there are people buying them...

The best way to discredit your own opinion is to title your thread "The Final Verdict" hahahahah I mean honestly who are you to make the "final verdict"? No one? Yes, that is the correct answer! DING DING DING you've just won the No one cares award! Also for being such a good contestant you will get the Go back to WoW trophy!

Also, I have screenshots of myself climbing up to the top of a mountain, and finding a Developer area....so yeah, they are definitely 3D

Originally posted by bodypass

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Vicksbug, Zorndorf  and Bodypass.

The only MMO with superior cutscenes is Age of Conan, the cutscenes in Warhammer are at the same level of WoW and I bet you didnt said anything at that time.

The only game with real and interesting flying traveling is Vanguard, I bet you dont like this one aswell.

You dont have only one bar like stamina, different classes have different ways of charge/recharge.

There is no CC pure class, but most classes have CC like skills, wich is good, because pure utility classes are always weak and avoided outside raids, you can check that in EQ2.

Well Vicksbug, Zorndorf and Bodypass, the art style, interesting classes, fun factor, PQs, Lore, PvP fun for the casual to the hardcore and atmosphere are enough details to make Warhammer a more interesting game than WoW for a lot of people.

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Wow, bodypass you are the ultimate troll. Haven't you got better things to do, like lurk around the WoW forums making threads about how amazing it is.

OP should check out Vanguard.

The world is huge and you can fly in it.