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gnomexxx 9/23/08 5:15:29 PM
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"Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson |
The question stands. Who else would condone the government buying out private companies and corporations? We are supposed to be a free market that runs on a capitalistic principle. I do not agree one bit with what the Department of Treasury is doing right now. Why would anyone agree that it's okay to put the burden of private companies onto the tax payers? I'll tell you why, greed! A greed that puts the Constitution and the defense of that document second to the economy. The principles of liberty and freedom should not be squandered by the economy and bad decisions of a few nitwitted people and some private banks and lending organizations. I do not want this burden on me as a tax payer. Not because of the cost, but because of the power that it gives to the federal government. Now the government has taken it upon itself to bail out companies and individuals who make bad choices. Let me correct that, this gives the government the selective power to bail out companies and individuals. I guess it just decides which businesses and people are "important" now and thinks nothing of spreading out their pain on the backs of everyone. So, my question is on the table. Is George W. Bush a socialist? I say yes. He is practicing socialism on a grand scale and it's in plain site for everyone to see. Problem is, will people turn the other way and worry more about their pocket books and deny the importance of the promises of protection from government in the future? Will the future pan out to give us more government growth and intrusion like we keep seeing, or are people going to stand up to government no matter what the costs? Some people go off to war and are willing to die for the ideals of this country. Some people can't even compromise their personal economy. A far less price to pay, unless their priority is greed. |
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Fishermage 9/23/08 5:34:38 PM
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing." |
As ken Macleod wrote: "the west is red" They are all socialists of one variant or another -- well, all except libertarians -- the only question is on degree. |
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Midnitte 9/23/08 5:41:10 PM
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To not conform is to conform; Always question orders and demand a reason, least you become a Nazi. |
The only problem with this reasoning is that Bush has no decision over what the Federal Reserve System (FRB) does; them loaning money and gaining the majority of stock in AIG was all them, if anything I think Bush is more a corporate pull toy and if anything a fascist. He cut taxes that only affected people who made millions, and supported going to war over WMDs which weren't found; what do you think he is? :x |
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SioBabble 9/23/08 5:48:41 PM
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He's all for privatizing profit and socializing risk; he's all for stealing from the poor to give to the rich. That his non-millionaire followers still support him is an indication of how very, very stupid they are. |
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Fishermage 9/23/08 5:55:04 PM
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing." |
Originally posted by Midnitte Well, I'd say we took Iraq in the War against the Jihad to create a free fly zone so Israel could attack Iran -- but that would be thinking with a long term strategy -- and we couldn't be doing that, now could we? |
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gnomexxx 9/23/08 5:57:06 PM
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"Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson |
Originally posted by Midnitte Paulson is the Treasury Secretary. The Department of the Treasury is a cabinet position of the President of the United States and Paulson's position is appointed by Bush. Paulson is promoting this buyout plan. He is a spokesman for Bush. That is Bush speaking when he speaks. |
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Fishermage 9/23/08 5:58:26 PM
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing." |
Originally posted by gnomexxx Paulson is the Treasury Secretary. The Department of the Treasury is a cabinet position of the President of the United States and Paulson's position is appointed by Bush. Paulson is promoting this buyout plan. He is a spokesman for Bush. That is Bush speaking when he speaks.
Well I would say that this is more the case of Bush being clueless, and Paulson having a plan...but yeah Bush owns this baby. |
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gnomexxx 9/23/08 6:30:18 PM
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"Every generation needs a new revolution." - Thomas Jefferson |
Originally posted by Fishermage
Well I would say that this is more the case of Bush being clueless, and Paulson having a plan...but yeah Bush owns this baby. Bush has the power to tell Paulson to STFU. Paulson is a Bush appointee. Bush has chosen not to tell him this but to remain quiet because he supports this. Anytime a Bush cabinet appointee speaks and the President remains quiet, then by proxy he accepts support of that position. If he disagrees then he should either voice his disapproval or force the step down of that cabinet head. He has done neither. So, I'm with you, Bush owns this one. And this action is the action of a socialist. In a capitalistic society the government does not own private property or interfere with the free markets. These corporations and people need to face the fire for their actions and the market needs to correct itself. |
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Reborn17 9/23/08 6:43:43 PM
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"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." |
I posted these links under another thread, but I think they answer the question to those willing to listen: The Making of Amerika 1,2,3...
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