WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Volkmar

Let's see.... I have never seen a ToK before. Lotro one only track how many times you used X move and the like, this one tracks how many monsters you killed, how many people you visited, it has descriptions of the PLACES you go to and what is happening there.

You literally know the history behind the zone when you enter, you know who that dude is because when you talk to him you get a blurb about him in the tome of knowledge.

Plus, it expand the descriptions of the monsters the more you kill. Get 25 dark elves slaughtered and you get a paragraph of info on dark elves, kill 100 and you get one more.

Not to mention it is not just fluff, you get experience for doing this, you get titles for doing this, you get TACTICS for doing this, you can get other rewards... and "cards" that I still have no idea what they are.

It also gives you a lot of other goals for your character cause you will see something like "wolf: Search Wolf lairs in XXXXX" and you are all like "mmmmh... where this could be?" or "loot a specific item off a wolf" and when you do, you get the unlock.

So, no. Different wrapping my boots. This is all new, never done before in MMorpgs.

PQs? Do you really need to ask what is so great in PQs? Well, it is simple. It is a instance dungeon final room WITHOUT the hours of trash mobs. It is a raid experience removed of all the boring bits and concentrated in a nice 10-30 mins bite. If you do not see anything good in that, well that is your opinion, just move on. I personally think they are great.

Bugs in the UI? could you be more specific cause so far I have not seen any bugs in the UI. Yes, there are bugs in the game... but in the UI? please, do tell us about those.

As for combat, It does not feel any worse than WoW combat. They tried to give each class some unique mechanics, some are better than others, granted, but I do not think it is a bad one at all. Not any worse than their competitions anyhow.

 

1) Lotro has descriptions of everything as well. You find ruins, you get a description of them. You complete slayer deed, you get a description for it. ToK is a complete rip off Lotro Deeds Book.  Deed are only used for the purpose of getting the minor buffs.  I am not dissing LOTRo which is a good game (and I am a life-time member).  ToK is different for me, I feel it fun.

2) PQs are entertaining for 20 minutes at best. It's the same reputation grind for better items (influence = reputation, repeating the same 15 minute script all over)  Reputation grind?  Oh you mean the wow punishment of having to run Heroic instances for 100 hours or 24 kara runs to get to exalt?  In WoW you need to find the right class and right geared people to even start a rep grind run, you need a paly tank for the AoE pull, you need a shaman here for the chain heals ... and you do not run a heroic with a tank in full green items.  In PQs you do not even know who is fighting along side until they joined.  Everyone can walk in, no gear restriction, no lfm for 20 hours for that tank with AoE aggro or 15k unbuffed hp to survive the boss alpha strike.

3) UI is extremly clunky. The feel of it is a little disastrous. Can't understand how can you be so blind.  No I am not blind, or I will not be able to type here.  You have not yet told us where the clunky is, you just stated its clunky.  The feel of clunky the feel of disastrous, hmm I do not feel that at all.  All I feel is that you are totally intolerant and impolite.  If I do not agree with you I am blind.  Oh well that speaks volumnes about what kind of person you are.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Although one could tell by reading the info that Mythic was giving out during these last 2 years, this is now a fact for everyone. WAR is boring. No innovation at all. A game that plays exactly the same way as WoW or LotRO. All that PQ and ToK crap is nothing else than the usual MMO elements in a different wrapping (the wrapping being not very different itself). I need some answers from the fans. Why were you so excited with the ToK? How different is it from LotROs book thingy, and how can it change the way you are experiencing the game? What about PQs? What is so exciting about those? And the combat. Oh my. ABSOLUTELY no new ideas. Slow, repetitive, easy. As uninteresting as it can get.

 

The only thing I kind of like is GUI. Although it has bugs all over the place.

i guess i'll say it, literally, for over the hundredth time -- wow didn't innovate anything... they took what they saw worked well in other games, along with some crappy stuff from other games (raiding), and slightly improved upon it.

so, please go talk in the wow forum about how wow didn't innovate or do anything original because i'm sure you've given wow more than the 15 minutes you've given war.

thank you.

It's unbelievable the amount of FANBOYISM shown in this threat. If you like the game, fine, but the guy who opened the thread is right. This game has nothing new, in fact it looks like a copy and paste of  WOW.

The user rating, pfffff, I' ve never seen a game so overrated. Come on fanboys, you want to believe this game is great, but the reality shows that is the old same boring crap. AGAIN.

Originally posted by damian7

 

i guess i'll say it, literally, for over the hundredth time -- wow didn't innovate anything... they took what they saw worked well in other games, along with some crappy stuff from other games (raiding), and slightly improved upon it.

so, please go talk in the wow forum about how wow didn't innovate or do anything original because i'm sure you've given wow more than the 15 minutes you've given war.

 

thank you.

WOW anno 2008 has just many - many - more options in its end game. I am convinced - if you see the effort Blizzard took to enhance World PvP in WotLK- even the world PvP is part now of an endless string of new possibilities to play WotLK. PvP or PVE.
And Wow's basic play is more smooth, polished, complete, than any other MMO. Even the hardest WAR fans have to acknowledge these smooth and fast PvP fights in Wow were not beaten in their game.

So this is what people see. Nothing more nothing less. Standards were raised. Expectations need to be met.

If a new game comes along and it doesn't reach the "standards" (like you said it yourself - even slightly) people complain. This IS 2008 you know, not pre Wow 2004.

Just like Mark Jacobs said himself they needed to redo WAR after watching TBC, you'll realize what WotLK will bring now in new standards in their version anno 2008.

Watching the pure speed and execution of a Lake Winter Zone is again a further  evolution in MMORPG's. Even the basic flying over a complete open seamless world like in Outland was impossible to achieve in WAR, let alone the 3D fightings in air, land and (under)water worlds in the new WotLK.

... your word "slightly" improved is an understatement...

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by damian7

 

i guess i'll say it, literally, for over the hundredth time -- wow didn't innovate anything... they took what they saw worked well in other games, along with some crappy stuff from other games (raiding), and slightly improved upon it.

so, please go talk in the wow forum about how wow didn't innovate or do anything original because i'm sure you've given wow more than the 15 minutes you've given war.

 

thank you.

 

WOW anno 2008 has just many - many - more options in its end game. I am convinced - if you see the effort Blizzard took to enhance World PvP in WotLK- even the world PvP is part now of an endless string of new possibilities to play WotLK. PvP or PVE.
And Wow's basic play is more smooth, polished, complete, than any other MMO. Even the hardest WAR fans have to acknowledge these smooth and fast PvP fights in Wow were not beaten in their game.

So this is what people see. Nothing more nothing less. Standards were raised. Expectations need to be met.

If a new game comes along and it doesn't reach the "standards" (like you said it yourself - even slightly) people complain. This IS 2008 you know, not pre Wow 2004.

Just like Mark Jacobs said himself they needed to redo WAR after watching TBC, you'll realize what WotLK will bring now in new standards in their version anno 2008.

Watching the pure speed and execution of a Lake Winter Zone is again a further  evolution in MMORPG's. Even the basic flying over a complete open seamless world like in Outland was impossible to achieve in WAR, let alone the 3D fightings in air, land and (under)water worlds in the new WotLK.

... your word "slightly" improved is an understatement...

Im sorry to burst your bubble but, yes WoW is a good game and it will always be a good game in my book, but it doesnt bring anything new to the table, good PVE, arenas , BGs and thats where new stuff being added stops, blizz will just add more of the same over and over, and just "milk" the game until they release something else. Everything in WOTLK is just more of the same with different skins. Im sorry if you cant see past the "skins" they show you but its the truth its nothing new just more of the same, sooner or later you will realize.

You obviously dont like WAR as you have been trolling these forums for quite a while preaching how WOTLK and WoW are the best thing that happened to mankind since sliced bread, why dont you just go play your game and leave these forums alone it will do you good.

this game is fun!

you dont like it? your choice. but why people need to visit forum and make some useless rants about it? its not that most of ppl care about opinion of others.

and no - im not fanboi. i just dont like whiners.

Originally posted by rav3n2

 

Im sorry to burst your bubble but, yes WoW is a good game and it will always be a good game in my book, but it doesnt bring anything new to the table, good PVE, arenas , BGs and thats where new stuff being added stops, blizz will just add more of the same over and over, and just "milk" the game until they release something else. Everything in WOTLK is just more of the same with different skins. Im sorry if you cant see past the "skins" they show you but its the truth its nothing new just more of the same, sooner or later you will realize.

 

You obviously dont like WAR as you have been trolling these forums for quite a while preaching how WOTLK and WoW are the best thing that happened to mankind since sliced bread, why dont you just go play your game and leave these forums alone it will do you good.

I'll stop here, but just like Mark Jakobs said TBC was a step further and the WAR team had to redo a lot of quests to match up with it and I quote:

"When Burning Crusade came out, that was one of them. I looked at it, played it, and said "we need to raise our game a bit." We had to redo some of the starting areas more than twice, that was frustrating. Looking at class balance had a bunch of fits and starts, we had to go back to that several times, more than I would have liked. And then probably when we finally decided to cut the cities and classes."
 

So your arguments of "just the same WOW stuff" is rather weak in view what is being said by the WAR's developper own words...

I'll stop no further pain.

I just wanted to point out that any new game must meet the standards of the industry leader and  just like TBC raised new standards and play for its players (personal air mounts - Arena - Heorics - Badge loot ), WotLK will introduce  newly raised bars and uncovered territory.

 All I say :)

Have fun in WAR.

Just goes to show, its possible for people's opinions to differ on what is fun. If I recall, the OP loves AoC and thinks thats fun - I thought AoC was the most boring and uninspiring mmo every released, and cancelled after 2 weeks. He thinks WAR is boring, I think its a blast and has been so for the past 9 months since I've been in beta. Go figure.

However, if someone who loves AoC hates WAR, then that tells me WAR must be doing something right. So kudos OP for letting me know that people who are entertained by AoC won't like WAR, just ma