WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Just finished T1 scenario (Khane) with my lvl 8 SW

No3 damage

No1 Kills

No2 Exp

one before last in Deaths

 

 

Now I agree we are not as good as BW. But we have much more utility, and BW takes forewer to cook those spells.

SW's are fast , very fast - opportunist killers, and swift runners

 

 

 

 

QFT

Shadow Warriors (and Squig Herders) are the ultimate support/utility class. You may be the weakest in 1v1 but you make enormous difference in group v group. This is pretty much opposed to WP and DoKs which are nassty in 1v1 but don't really contribute that much to group synergy.

Quite simply a SW's role is to scout and harry opponents. Picking off runners, annoying the hell out of people, kicking them off high cliffs with the morale ability... They are highly situational and imo need a very quick-thinking player with good situational awareness on the level of group to play really well.

The simple thing is while you are harrassing people, a BW is outright KILLING people.  There really is just a massive difference in ability/playstyle you don't know untill you actually PLAY the other classes and see what you are lacking

Ive played most of the classes, a SW can take out BW easily all you have to do is kite them its not hard, even if they attack you from stealth you root/snare them, go assault stance for the extra armour either flee or fight. BW does do awesome damage notice how often they die though? Everyone targets them because they go down in seconds.

Good luck trying to out dps a BW.

Originally posted by Newhopes

Good luck trying to out dps a BW.

Originally posted by Bladin

I rolled one to 13 yesterday, worst class i've ever played, i went to forums and looked at mastery/core abilities, and... it's terrible.

Lower dps then mages, no survivability gains, less aoe, less burst, less everything.

I've heard Squigs are in a similar boat since they are mirrors, but dang what a disappointment the class is.

This is RvR not PvP.

Sorry you can't be the cliche uber, cool archer elf assassin who 2 shots everyone. This class is balanced and requires significant skill, like almost all the other classes.

Just quit crying, roll a new class, and have fun.

Originally posted by Leonatos65

Originally posted by Bladin

I rolled one to 13 yesterday, worst class i've ever played, i went to forums and looked at mastery/core abilities, and... it's terrible.

Lower dps then mages, no survivability gains, less aoe, less burst, less everything.

I've heard Squigs are in a similar boat since they are mirrors, but dang what a disappointment the class is.

This is RvR not PvP.

Sorry you can't be the cliche uber, cool archer elf assassin who 2 shots everyone. This class is balanced and requires significant skill, like almost all the other classes.

Just quit crying, roll a new class, and have fun.

Don't worry I already have the last straw came today when I was rank 16 shooting at a lvl 14 black orc and doing less than a 100 dam a shot with eagle eye and mostly blue gear.

Guess to each their own but my wife is loving her SW even in open RVR

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Just finished T1 scenario (Khane) with my lvl 8 SW

No3 damage

No1 Kills

No2 Exp

one before last in Deaths

 

 

Now I agree we are not as good as BW. But we have much more utility, and BW takes forewer to cook those spells.

SW's are fast , very fast - opportunist killers, and swift runners

 

 

 

 

QFT

Shadow Warriors (and Squig Herders) are the ultimate support/utility class. You may be the weakest in 1v1 but you make enormous difference in group v group. This is pretty much opposed to WP and DoKs which are nassty in 1v1 but don't really contribute that much to group synergy.

Quite simply a SW's role is to scout and harry opponents. Picking off runners, annoying the hell out of people, kicking them off high cliffs with the morale ability... They are highly situational and imo need a very quick-thinking player with good situational awareness on the level of group to play really well.

The simple thing is while you are harrassing people, a BW is outright KILLING people.  There really is just a massive difference in ability/playstyle you don't know untill you actually PLAY the other classes and see what you are lacking

killing runners? bw and eng can do this as well.

aoe root? both have em

Disarm? bw can do it from range

Ap regen buff? comparable to bw dps/defense buffs

Where is this utility?

You can hide behind a rock when a BW starts casting, that's something...

No really mate, it is just the way a class is played. A SW is not a nuker standing on the highest rock, visible like a red flare to everyone because he needs those 3 seconds of uninterrupted LOS to his target. A SW hides and shoots from the shadows, sniping people unnoticed.

A SW is a situational ranged DPS. An opportunist who picks his fights and his targets carefully. Its just his style of play. In my guild a 13th level BW and SW do comparable damage in scenarios with BW dying more often but packing more oomph at initial make-or-break point of the engagement. It is SW who is among the last men standing and deciding the endgame if there is any.

Personally I don't play neither BW nor SW but I see what's happening on the battlefield. Anyway if you find SW's style incompatible to your temperament why don't you roll a BW? Or maybe an engineer? I hear they can pack a punch and get good static defense at the cost of mobility.

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Sounds like someone needs to learn how to play the class.

Also, Squig Hunters are not the SW Class Mirror despite popular belief.

 

According to Mythic they are.

No no no, Warhammerwiki said they were mirrors.

 

There was a website that did a preview (interview with Mythic) for WAR before launch, and they explained the classes in pairs. Those pairs that they explained the classes in were the mirrored classes. I can't seem to remember the actual website, but perhaps someone else knows what I am talking about and can post a link.

 

Also Bladin, Ranged DPS is an Archetype and does not make the two classes mirrors of each other. The classes are mirrored due to similar Mechanics, not weapons and dps types.

 

 

then go roll them they are practically identical.

Pets=/=mirror btw.

Heck squig and sw even share a lot of the base spells, the same as a sorc and bw.

But squig and sw are mirrors it's as simple as that.

 

Read

http://www.massively.com/2008/06/04/massively-goes-to-war-the-classes-of-warhammer-in-a-nutshell/

 

Lol that site is completely wrong.

Listen, I'm right here and you are wrong. the end.

But just to clarify it a bit more for you.

The SW and the Marauder share stances, but they are not mirrors to each other, they just share a mechanic.

The squig herder and the white lion share pets, but they are not mirrors to each other, they just share a mechanic.

 

The squig hunter and SW both are RDPS archers, they share a ton of abilities, and their mastery trees are the same type.

The marauder and white lion are both MDPS, they have a ton of similar abilities.

 

Unfortunately just having a pet and stances are not the qualifies for mirrors, it does cause confusion but that's how it is.

So let me get this right.....

I have provided solid evidence of Mythic stating the mirrors, and you think it is a crap site.

Massively.com interviewed two of the most outspoken Mythic Employees, Adam Gershowitz and Josh Drescher. The link that I provided was from the interview and explained the classes in mirrored pairs.

What else do you need to see?

Unless you can in return find proof of "MYTHIC" stating that the mirrors are not as they were in that interview, you are just making your own opinions on how you think things should be.

(You don't have to explain how you think things work again, a simple link will do)