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  crunchyblack

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Joined: 1/23/08
Posts: 1374

9/21/08 9:44:39 AM#41

"If people really want to say that having tab targeting and hotbars makes any game's combat the same as WoW. Then cars and motorcylces are the same thing since they both have internal combustion engines."

well lets not forget that wow copied everquests model 100%.

Why do people give wow credit for ideas that everquest, DAoC, and ultima online did way before them?

  DarkPony

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9/21/08 9:55:16 AM#42

To me it is highly entertaining. Love the world, the atmosphere to it and doing RvR + public quests and thus almost taking away the need to do regular quests is awesome.

  TheSheikh

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9/21/08 10:14:13 AM#43
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

STOP WHINING!

  gestalt11

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Joined: 5/17/06
Posts: 6169

9/21/08 10:25:05 AM#44
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

 

Why play Eve when I can play an even more intelligenter game like scrabble, which has more action in it anyway.

  ProfRed

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Joined: 10/29/03
Posts: 3557

9/21/08 10:25:11 AM#45
Originally posted by crunchyblack

"If people really want to say that having tab targeting and hotbars makes any game's combat the same as WoW. Then cars and motorcylces are the same thing since they both have internal combustion engines."

well lets not forget that wow copied everquests model 100%.

Why do people give wow credit for ideas that everquest, DAoC, and ultima online did way before them?

 

Because 90% of these trolls came into the genre with WoW.  All they know is WoW. 

  Eckobah

Warhammer Online Correspondent

Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 16

"It''s a dog eat dog world out there!!... and I happen to be wearing milk bone underwear!"

9/21/08 10:27:48 AM#46
Originally posted by gestalt11

 

If people really want to say that having tab targeting and hotbars makes any game's combat the same as WoW.  Then cars and motorcylces are the same thing since they both have internal combustion engines.

 

This while thing is silly.  There are fundamental differences in the combat mechanics.  The people who post stuff like this are just proving they did not play the game much at all or are just not very bright or perceptive.

 

This really not even a matter of opinion it is just sheer intellectualy laziness and close mindedness on their part.

 

I haven't even said whether WAR combat is good, but it is certainly not the same as WoW.   That is easy to prove.  And farnkly it is easily apparent as soon as you fight multiple targets at once.


 

I see no where that I had said the combat system, RvR or other aspect was the same. In fact I didn't even mention the combat system. I was just trying to make a point. The point was that Mythic delivered on what they said they would and that all MMOs have a base. Crafting, Quests, and PvP. And obviously you missed the point.  Yes they are different after that.  The quests in WAR are far better just because of the storyline alone. The crafting isn't all that great, but they said that from the start. They never once said that crafting was going to be a major aspect of the game. The PvP and RvR are far better than WOW PvP. And since you missed the point i will tell you MY opinion of both WOW and Warhammer so that you know I have played them.

WOW is cartoonish in graphics. Almost every quest you do is to go out and kill something or to collect something you have to kill. The storyline is not all that great and does not tie into other aspects of the game. The combat system does mimic some other MMOs and the battlegrounds are nothing more than just the same old repeat. Not to mention they only have 4 (or is it 5? I havn't played in a few months).

WAR is more gruff graphics just as I exspected. It is focused on PvP and RvR unlike WOW and other MMOs. The storyline far exceeds other MMOs. There is a combat system that works with the PvP and RvR element of the game. And those even exceed other games.

 

And before you go stating fact. Make sure you get them first. I was just stating things in a simple way so people could understand. I was in WOW at Alpha and stayed until last year. I even went back for a while this year to see the changes they made. I also was there for the open beta and still am playing WAR. I personally love the game. So before you go flaming me, how about asking what I ment in a post. How about asking me a question or two before you assume what i mean or go to flame me. And above all, please give others that respect. People can say things different from others and still mean the same thing. They just say it in a different way. I was just trying to say it in a way that even someone new to MMOs could understand. But I guess that would make it hard for those whom have been playing for awhile. I appologize if i offended you or anyone (though I don't see where I did). However you have offended me by saying "This really not even a matter of opinion it is just sheer intellectualy laziness and close mindedness on their part." Not to mention you went on about the combat system and that wasn't even mentioned.

By the way. Before you make a comment about intellectual laziness..... learn how to spell. It make you look intellectually lazy.

Eckobah

  Drone

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Joined: 7/03/03
Posts: 18

Every Game Gets Boring

9/21/08 10:29:46 AM#47

I just went to my local (in the city 2 minute walk) game store to get the game, but they won't be getting it until monday.  So now I have to walk to the Mall which is about 20 minutes away.  Is this an omen not to get the game?  Or just the infinate struggle we face on a daily basis?

 

This game sounds like its for the casual gamer,  the one with the full time job any only a few hours if that a day to play.  So this game sounds very appealing.  I'm not interested in running 15 minutes to a dungeon, waiting at the dungeon entrance for a grp to show up and hopefully let me join them, then to dungeon it for 3 hours. 

Not to say i wouldn't do this once and awhile,  it isn't something that'd i want to do on a nightly basis, and these player quests seem to add all the punch in less time with the most enjoyablitiy.

I am a fan of PVE and this game sounds like its lacking it a bit, but not enough to deter me.  Hopefully I can be in WAR by this afternoon!

Your only Human

  gestalt11

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Joined: 5/17/06
Posts: 6169

9/21/08 10:33:22 AM#48
Originally posted by Eckobah
Originally posted by gestalt11

 

If people really want to say that having tab targeting and hotbars makes any game's combat the same as WoW.  Then cars and motorcylces are the same thing since they both have internal combustion engines.

 

This while thing is silly.  There are fundamental differences in the combat mechanics.  The people who post stuff like this are just proving they did not play the game much at all or are just not very bright or perceptive.

 

This really not even a matter of opinion it is just sheer intellectualy laziness and close mindedness on their part.

 

I haven't even said whether WAR combat is good, but it is certainly not the same as WoW.   That is easy to prove.  And farnkly it is easily apparent as soon as you fight multiple targets at once.


 

I see no where that I had said the combat system, RvR or other aspect was the same. In fact I didn't even mention the combat system. I was just trying to make a point. The point was that Mythic delivered on what they said they would and that all MMOs have a base. Crafting, Quests, and PvP. And obviously you missed the point.  Yes they are different after that.  The quests in WAR are far better just because of the storyline alone. The crafting isn't all that great, but they said that from the start. They never once said that crafting was going to be a major aspect of the game. The PvP and RvR are far better than WOW PvP. And since you missed the point i will tell you MY opinion of both WOW and Warhammer so that you know I have played them.

WOW is cartoonish in graphics. Almost every quest you do is to go out and kill something or to collect something you have to kill. The storyline is not all that great and does not tie into other aspects of the game. The combats system does mimic some other MMOs and the battlegrounds are nothing more than just the same old repeat. Not to mention they only have 4 (or is it 5? I havn't played in a few months).

WAR is more gruff graphics just as I exspected. It is focused on PvP and RvR unlike WOW and other MMOs. The storyline far exceeds other MMOs. There is a combat system that works with the PvP and RvR element of the game. And those even exceed other games.

 

And before you go stating fact. Make sure you get them first. I was just stating things in a simple way so people could understand. I was in WOW at Alpha and stayed until last year. I even went back for a while this year to see the changes they made. I also was there for the open beta and still am playing WAR. I personally love the game. So before you go flaming me, how about asking what I ment in a post. How about asking me a question or two before you assume what i mean or go to flame me. And above all, please give others that respect. People can say things different from others and still mean the same thing. They just say it in a different way. I was just trying to say it in a way that even someone new to MMOs could understand. But I guess that would make it hard for those whom have been playing for awhile. I appologize if i offended you or anyone (though I don't see where I did). However you have offended me by saying "This really not even a matter of opinion it is just sheer intellectualy laziness and close mindedness on their part." Not to mention you went on about the combat system and that wasn't even mentioned.

By the way. Before you make a comment about intellectual laziness..... learn how to spell. It make you look intellectually lazy.

Eckobah

 

Who said I was flaming you?

 

"If people want to say" is not "If you want to say".  You are being too sensitive.   I did not use "people" to avoid a ban by weaseling out of actually attacking you specifically.

I used it because the point is tangential to your comments.

 

Edit:

Seriously it doesn't matter who did it first.  Is the whole MMORPG industry just a South Park episode.  Is that what this is reduced too?

 

Simpson's Did It!

  User Deleted
9/21/08 10:33:41 AM#49
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

 

Why play Eve when I can play an even more intelligenter game like scrabble, which has more action in it anyway.

True... or just mess around MS Excel.  At least Excel is free, while EvE costs you monthly sub... and they're essentially the same thing.

  Eckobah

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Joined: 9/18/08
Posts: 16

"It''s a dog eat dog world out there!!... and I happen to be wearing milk bone underwear!"

9/21/08 10:38:27 AM#50

 I think the game is for both the caual and avid gamer. You can quest. And there are plenty of them. They have public quest areas to where you can just "click" and join a public group, eliminating the need to ask to be grouped.

The dungeons are broken down into 3 areas. It takes about an hour and a half on average. (depending on players and the size of the group) to do one section. You do not have to do all 3 areas at one time. you can do the first area tonight and the 2nd the next night if you wish. or all of them in one night. You do not even have to have the same group you started with. You enter a dungeon and you will see the other players there in that same dungeon. You can then join their group and continue on with them.  Each dungeon is designed to be completable with a group of 6 people.

I hope this helps you.

Eckobah

  AstralGeth

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Joined: 9/24/04
Posts: 204

9/21/08 11:42:31 AM#51
Originally posted by Vato26
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

 

Why play Eve when I can play an even more intelligenter game like scrabble, which has more action in it anyway.

True... or just mess around MS Excel.  At least Excel is free, while EvE costs you monthly sub... and they're essentially the same thing.

Weird, two common complaints against EVE are "it's a spreadsheet / no action" and "you just get ganked randomly at gates by old players."

Makes me realize most people don't "get" EVE. Your experience is up to what YOU make of it.

  holonist

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Joined: 7/25/05
Posts: 201

9/21/08 12:05:44 PM#52
Originally posted by AstralGeth
Originally posted by Vato26
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

 

Why play Eve when I can play an even more intelligenter game like scrabble, which has more action in it anyway.

True... or just mess around MS Excel.  At least Excel is free, while EvE costs you monthly sub... and they're essentially the same thing.

Weird, two common complaints against EVE are "it's a spreadsheet / no action" and "you just get ganked randomly at gates by old players."

Makes me realize most people don't "get" EVE. Your experience is up to what YOU make of it.

BS , im running 2 eve accounts one with 72mill and another with 35 mill , you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

  Ender4

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Joined: 5/18/08
Posts: 2094

9/21/08 12:12:35 PM#53

Sandbox games bore me to tears. I found UO very boring and couldn't get into Eve at all. Not everyone wants the same thing out of a game that you do. WAR is a breath of fresh air for me, it is most of the good parts(PvP, casual grouping) of the MMORPG genre without the stuff I don't like (pve gear grinds etc). The combat is as fast paced as WoW so I still never understand that argument, sounds like people who quit by level 5 and never really got any skills to me.

  AstralGeth

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9/21/08 12:12:36 PM#54
Originally posted by holonist
Originally posted by AstralGeth
Originally posted by Vato26
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by TheSheikh
Originally posted by Itirel
Originally posted by huxflux2004
Originally posted by TheSheikh

Thank you Huxflux..... for your intelligent and well written out response.....

I believe I am going to go delete all of my characters and unsubscribe now, due to this realisation.

 

Happy to hear that. Now you might stop burning your brain cells and try out a more intelligent game, like EVE-Online.

 

I think TheSheikh was being sarcastic... I hope.


 

I guess the .....'s didn't work!

Next time I'll use the /sarcasm indicator.

 

Why play Eve when I can play an even more intelligenter game like scrabble, which has more action in it anyway.

True... or just mess around MS Excel.  At least Excel is free, while EvE costs you monthly sub... and they're essentially the same thing.

Weird, two common complaints against EVE are "it's a spreadsheet / no action" and "you just get ganked randomly at gates by old players."

Makes me realize most people don't "get" EVE. Your experience is up to what YOU make of it.

BS , im running 2 eve accounts one with 72mill and another with 35 mill , you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

What is incorrect about "Your experience is up to what YOU make of it" in EVE.

Please tell me how I don't know what I'm talking about.

  Getalife

Novice Member

Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 832

9/21/08 12:37:30 PM#55
Originally posted by huxflux2004

Although one could tell by reading the info that Mythic was giving out during these last 2 years, this is now a fact for everyone. WAR is boring. No innovation at all. A game that plays exactly the same way as WoW or LotRO. All that PQ and ToK crap is nothing else than the usual MMO elements in a different wrapping (the wrapping being not very different itself). I need some answers from the fans. Why were you so excited with the ToK? How different is it from LotROs book thingy, and how can it change the way you are experiencing the game? What about PQs? What is so exciting about those? And the combat. Oh my. ABSOLUTELY no new ideas. Slow, repetitive, easy. As uninteresting as it can get.

 

The only thing I kind of like is GUI. Although it has bugs all over the place.

 

It's a FACT? this post needs an ORLY? picture.

  Fariic

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/29/04
Posts: 1570

9/21/08 12:48:24 PM#56

WAR is what AV was supposed to be in WoW. 
I've only done two dif. scenarios and each of them have been better then any single BG in WoW.
More diversity within a class with all of the skills and abilities you can get.

I've been sick to death of the EQ style of MMO.  Oddly enough, I'm loving WAR.

After 4 years of WoW the only thing that would keep me resubing was doing BG's with friends.  I've been looking for a good PvPcentric game; I found it.

Anyone picking up WAR for PvE is making a mistake.  I've been trying to get a friend to play something other then WoW for 2 years now; I've been unseccesfull.  I got WAR, played it, called him and all I said was, "you know who would like WAR?  Anyone that is more interested in doing BG's in WoW; with questing as a means of diversion."  He hung the phone up, went and baught WAR and for the first time in a very long time I got a call at 8:30 in the morning from him asking me to log into a game and play.  WAR is the first game in the last couple of years I've spent multiple hours playing, had an urge to play after logging off, and woke up the next morning actually wanting to play more.

I'm not one for lore, but damn, the ToK thing is nice.  I like clicking an object and getting xp and seeing a new entry in my tome.  Everywhere I go, and everytime I do something it seems like I unlocking something. 

In a scenario a player killed me, I got xp for dying to that player and actually levelled.  When every other game penalizes you for dying in PvP, WAR rewarded me. 

I made an alt, logged in, and immediately entered into PvP.  Not only could I do PvP at lvl 1, I can contribute. 

I log into WoW, hop on my mage, enter BG and run from locks.  I have not come across a single class that makes me go WTF!  Although, goblin shamans are pretty sick nasty.

My bright wizard feels like he rains destruction.  I have something around 10 skills and I use everyone of them.  My mage in WoW feels feeble compared to it, and I spend the magority of my time spamming a single key.  When a melee class gets within range of my BW I don't feel like I'll die instantly, my mage in WoW does. 

Do a scenario and you make money, xp, renown to get gear.  Items drop in scenarios, Items I can use, and sometimes better then what I have.  WoW bg's end up costing me money, and I have no choice but to grind PvE either for gear or for repairs.

Combat actually feels like it moves at a very good pace.  It's not to fast, not to slow.  Tanks are viable in PvP, healers aren't the end all.  Every try and kill a guy in a WoW bg with a dedicated healer, how about try and stop a druid running with a flag.

LoTRO held me for just over half an hour.  LoTRO is a PvE game, and in my opinion it sucks, and plays nothing like WAR.  Having the same basic combat mechanics does not in any way mean that they play the same.  WAR and LoTRO are about as similliar as SWG and DAoC.  Trying to draw a comparison between the two games is just silly, each is geared toward an entirely dif. player base.

 

  Zeblade

Novice Member

Joined: 1/10/06
Posts: 936

9/21/08 12:57:02 PM#57
Originally posted by huxflux2004

Although one could tell by reading the info that Mythic was giving out during these last 2 years, this is now a fact for everyone. WAR is boring. No innovation at all. A game that plays exactly the same way as WoW or LotRO. All that PQ and ToK crap is nothing else than the usual MMO elements in a different wrapping (the wrapping being not very different itself). I need some answers from the fans. Why were you so excited with the ToK? How different is it from LotROs book thingy, and how can it change the way you are experiencing the game? What about PQs? What is so exciting about those? And the combat. Oh my. ABSOLUTELY no new ideas. Slow, repetitive, easy. As uninteresting as it can get.

 

The only thing I kind of like is GUI. Although it has bugs all over the place.

 

Well you went in expecting it to fail. So what are some of these NEW ideas you have for MMO's? So what you dont like.. not everyone liked WOW, or Lotro or AoC or Eve.. there just GAMES!

  BizkitNL

Old School

Joined: 12/29/02
Posts: 2293

"Free to play, pay to win""

9/21/08 1:06:34 PM#58
Originally posted by Fariic

WAR is what AV was supposed to be in WoW. 
I've only done two dif. scenarios and each of them have been better then any single BG in WoW.
 


 

It seems to get better day by day. Just this afternoon, I had a run of the Nordland scenario. We (Order) took the Lighthouse and met the Destruction side at the Fortress, we drove them back, but didn't get far. We fought till the scenario ended on that edge between Fortress and Barracks, with everyone in this tiny space, smacking away, healing, spells flying all over the place. Us pushing them back, them pushing us back again. It was awesome! Best game I had ever.

Feel like trying Planetside 2? Get a headstart with the starter kit!

  Fariic

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/29/04
Posts: 1570

9/21/08 2:21:50 PM#59
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Fariic

WAR is what AV was supposed to be in WoW. 
I've only done two dif. scenarios and each of them have been better then any single BG in WoW.
 


 

It seems to get better day by day. Just this afternoon, I had a run of the Nordland scenario. We (Order) took the Lighthouse and met the Destruction side at the Fortress, we drove them back, but didn't get far. We fought till the scenario ended on that edge between Fortress and Barracks, with everyone in this tiny space, smacking away, healing, spells flying all over the place. Us pushing them back, them pushing us back again. It was awesome! Best game I had ever.


 

My best.
A 500 to 90 victory for Order. 

  Kruniac2

Novice Member

Joined: 4/27/08
Posts: 38

9/21/08 4:24:19 PM#60
Originally posted by huxflux2004

Although one could tell by reading the info that Mythic was giving out during these last 2 years, this is now a fact for everyone. WAR is boring. No innovation at all. A game that plays exactly the same way as WoW or LotRO. All that PQ and ToK crap is nothing else than the usual MMO elements in a different wrapping (the wrapping being not very different itself). I need some answers from the fans. Why were you so excited with the ToK? How different is it from LotROs book thingy, and how can it change the way you are experiencing the game? What about PQs? What is so exciting about those? And the combat. Oh my. ABSOLUTELY no new ideas. Slow, repetitive, easy. As uninteresting as it can get.

 

The only thing I kind of like is GUI. Although it has bugs all over the place.

 

Considering the fact that you can get some PvP as soon as you enter the game, and that PvE is simply downtime for when you are in an RvR queue, this game is anything but boring.

 

Its boring to carebears, but no one else. End.

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