WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by Bladin

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader.  I read them all

But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point.

But we conflict over how that game will ever come about.  Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better.

Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. 

Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here.  Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago.

Yawn.  I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.

 

You know the more posts you make in this topic, the further you are moving to a troll, and funny thing is, I'm actually moving further away from it.

First off, you seem to have some of misconception that your voice actually matters.  The spam on mmorpg.com, and the like regarding sandbox/open pvp/permadeath/full loot etc. Is all meaningless.  There are no game devs coming to one forum out of the millions on the net, and reading your posts and saying "you know, Wiccan is right, what have we been doing all these years, let's create open sandbox games from now on."

Your trolls and spite do nothing but cause anger and arguements on the forum.  Why do you think every open pvp topic gets about 20 pages of responses?  Because that's where the arguements begin.

You obviously dislike WAR, but i'd have to say it's far from flavorless swill.  In fact, it's one of the most flavored mmos out.  Everything in the game just screams care and desire to create a great experience by the developers.  I have not seen anything in WAR, that was basically something shoveled on just to be there.  That may change later on, I don't know

The constant Diablo-WAR comparisons really baffle me though.  Diablo isn't even a mmorpg, does not resemble WAR's gameplay in the least...theres nothing really identical at all.  Are you complaining about the rather fast paced gameplay?  Because that could be applied to pretty much a million games, stating it as diablo 3.1 is just odd if that was the only reasoning.

Then we get into the nothing new here.

There has never been public quests.

There never has been a game that interlaced RvR and PvE throughout all the levels and not making one simply a side minigame.

There has never been a game to have capitol sieges.

Then theres the evolutions

The evolved scenarios, the evolved PvE quests, etc etc.

You complain about the gameplay being possible 10 years ago.  Heres where I smell total trash.  You are basically stating that "If you remove everything from the game to enable it to run on 10 year old machines, then it's the same thing"

But heres the thing, that's true for all video games.  Crysis, Eve, HGL, VG, Too human, Tales of vesperia, UT3, etc etc.

All of these are possible 10 years ago if you remove the things that make them modern games.

What are you expecting for gameplay?  Virtual reality?

post of 2008. Nice work.  

I second that. Bravo, this must be one of the most meaningfull posts ever made.

Cheers.

 good ol' WiccanCircle. up to his old tricks again.

don't mind him guys, he doesn't like *anything*. every time a new game comes out, he shows up on its forum to "educate" everyone about how bad he thinks the new game is(and basically says the same thing on each forum).  he just moves his cookie-cutter hate from one forum to the next.

Originally posted by mintor

Originally posted by Chill_Factor

Originally posted by ganbee

This is a game all been waiting for, did you use your  hard earned dollar/euro? I say nay! Walmart will gladly refund your money(that's what your hoping for=) Well sorry they will not a stuck with another gold plated pos have fun!

Guess they don't teach English in your part of the country.

 

lol, thats rude

Hey, if you're going to troll and bash a game, at least have decent grammar. Not perfect, just legible. 

sandox and MMO do not go hand in hand just look at Star wars pre NGE it was good game but most people got bored and left and then were ton of exploits and ton of classes that were pointless. Granted it did find niche audience of 200k but those numbers aren't enough to justify the licensing costs (hence the NGE).

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

Nope Blad, I am a voracious reader.  I read them all

But as much as it pains me to admit to you, I agree with your idea of a game above... to a point.

But we conflict over how that game will ever come about.  Gobbling up the gaming gruel that is served to us - cold, flavorless swill - and kissing the feet of the devs that served it to us isn't going to get us anything better.

Warbummer is 'fun'.. I guess, for what it is - Diablo 3.1, but it isn't a great game and it should be an embarrasment to the devs that sold us this low level game at the end of 2008. 

Aside from trying to create stability for larger scale RvR (whcih actually has yet to be seen even in this game) there isn't anything new here.  Lower the graphics slightly and this level of gameplay could have been accomplished by upper end computers on cable modems nearly ten years ago.

Yawn.  I guess I will Waaagh, a little more before my month expires.

A quick reality check.  We consumers shouldn't grab the next piece of slop given to us.  This is correct.  but we can't go around boycotting and hating every game that doesn't meet that "I'm Jesus" quality.  you have to give credit where it is due sometimes and understand that a game may not be godly but it is damn good.

I feel the same way about Guildwars that you feel about WAR.  I just can't get into it.  It feel empty to me.  But I am not going to go around calling the game Guildbore, and posting my unquenchable hate for it on the guildwar boards.  Why?  Because I know the devs poured their heart and soul into the game and made a great experience for players.  I have the game and an expansion installed on my comp right now.  I rarely play it, but it is there.  I supported that company for the work they did, even if I can't get immersed into the game.

If you don't support the companies that do a good job, the MMO market will die and you will never see your dream game.  Good companies, like Clover, will just die out after making masterpieces.

As for the 10 year old technology bit.  The first true PvP MMO was DAOC and that was made 7 years ago at max.  It has half the gameplay features of WAR.  So I don't think that arguement is correct at all.

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

ManJunk said "You are completely missing the concept. The game is centered around RvR which can involve hundreds of players at a time. There really isn't much more to be said about it."
 

(I would quote it but somewhere in this forum there is an open code that is taking the right side of my text boxes in to the next dimension)

I think the RvR would be great!  And I will concede that for a game that will have many dozens (I will wait to see if they can actually pull off the 100's that they are hoping for) PvPing the stuffing out of each other will be difficult especially getting it to run smoothly on low end machines and toaster overs like what people are using to play wow and other junk.

I love the idea... but well, can't we have a little depth too?  I feel like Oliver holding up my empty video card asking "Please, Sir, can I have some more?"  My computer is going to mutany if I don't give it something to do while I am playing Warbummer.  I think my G9 mouse has enough computing power to run the depth of this game

How about...

The Spell System and Loot Items from Asheron's Call

The Teaming mechanics from City of Heroes

The Graphics from Age of Conan

The Crafting from Anarchy Online

And the RvR from Warhammer?

Perfect game?

  Folks I think his main purpose of this thread is to keep dropping references to his Pc so we'll ask what he his got. His itching to tell us about his new upgrade of what he thinks is an uber Pc.  Want to go head to head with the big boys? You wouldn't keep up. We upgrade on average every 3 to 6 months to highest of the high in components. You're small fish with your lower end of the high end range components that you upgrade every 2 years.

Originally posted by Bladin

"Your guild raids another town, your guild and it's members are pillagers and your reputation will remain so forever. You can't go grind some mobs to undo it. You can't change guilds and escape your reputation.

Have situations where if you kill someone in sight of a guard, you become wanted and hated in the city forever. If someone escapes your ganking attempt and reports you to a guard, the same situation occurs, heck perhaps even if your seen by ANY other players they can report you as well(perhaps you get a list and icons appear over witness' heads,) If you can't clean up the situation then your going

Have options to sneak into towns, and avoid guards.

Prisons.

War between countries where perhaps a country could be perminantly destroyed off the server.

Guilds building up a city that grows in size and members, and reputation and eventually becomes a force to reckon with for the other real nations, forming alliances that all share a part in the town. Heck even becoming the capital city in perhaps a entire country. Not just "XXXXXXXX's guild city.

 

This is the pvp i want.

I don't want random ganking while someones mining just because you get your kicks from it. Killing him for his resources, and then having to kill witness'. Miner's for example find a cave(perhaps they spawn randomly under the ground when excavagating. then a guild sends in a team to mine it quickly, while guards are posted in the cave and around the cave."

I'm all up for sandbox's as long as they are truely involved and deep systems to encourage meaningful pvp, discouraging random ganking, and bring in guild vs guild conflicts, and major systems in the game that basically allow the playerbase to affect a server enough that each server of the game vary drastically with how they are after a couple years.

The world you describe has already been created, and it's called EVE Online.

Now, I don't play EVE that much anymore (I miss the fantasy theme and I like having a character vs. a ship) but if people were really into the sandbox, EVE is it. There is nothing you cannot do in that game, and the history of that galaxy is all player made.  Empires have risen and fallen, wars have raged across dozens of star systems, single players have made decisions that rewrote galactic borders.

The only thing you might not like about it is the ganking, but if you fly smart, the chances of getting ganked go WAY down. If you join a corps, the chances of getting ganked go down even more. Still, ganking is reality - it's part of what makes a sandbox, IMO. Real world gankers are called sociopaths and highwaymen and extortionists - but they have to exist for the world to be "real", just as the ways to combat them are "real". You can't really say "ganking should be illegal" as a sandbox fan, again, IMO. And that's how EVE is. The stupid shall be punished, but fly smart and there's no upper limit to what can be accomplished.

That's what I loved about that game. When they bring Ambulation out, I'll likely go back for more.

Anyhow, nobody should come into Warhammer expecting EVE. That's just folly. Warhammer is also a great, great game, but for different reasons than EVE. Open groups, PQs, collaborative PVE/PVP, well-done open field PVP, excellent class balance and mechanics, collision detection and line-of-sight meaning that terrain DOES matter, and excellent set of class skills based around PVP but well balanced for PVE as well, and basically the ability to do anything you want, when you want to, and still have a great time doing it, and you'll ALWAYS level (unless you're crafting). That's what makes WAR great, IMO. It doesn't have to be EVE.

When I want to play EVE, I go play IT. Not Warhammer. I play Warhammer because I love Warhammer.