Nope its not and im tired of people lookin at it and saying it is. Take 10 minutes to read about the game here http://www.aionsource.com/forum/general-discussion/6508-anyone-else-think-game-lineage-3-a.html Fleiva covers it pretty well.

Its not going to take a week to hit max lvl like other games do, but it's not going to be near as long as most of the games you people keep comparing it too. I don't mind grinds, but its obvious this game isn't going to be one.

I know there are other threads about this but they don't get to the point imo.

I agree just because it's from Korea. People need to take the time to read the reviews and visit some of the fan sites dedicated to Aion before saying ingnorant things about a game beforehand.

Don't you guys already see the picture of this game? This is the first korean mmorpg that is western oriented instead of the traditional korean grindfests.

I agree with the OP.

Unfortunately, most of whoever says this is a grindfest doesn't care whether this is a grindfest or not. Most of the time they don't like Korean-made period. The damage is done. Only they can undo this stereotype, hopefully NCSoft's Aion will set the prime example.

I don't know if this game will be a "grindfest" or not, but I think the terms "grind" and "grindfest" are very subjective things. One person's "fast leveling" may be another person's "grindfest". I do agree that it is a stereotype given to Korean games in general, and like the last poster believe that this game will have to undo that stereotype (after actually being released) by actually being different and proving it.

Yes, Aion isn't going to be much of a grinding like other Korean MMO's, but then again what is grinding? It is many times announced that this game will be presented for the Western people's taste, so least of my concerns is grindfest, rather if Abyss turns out to be good. :)

This is not going to be another grind fest, but something more special, I hope the NCSoft really puts this one together, I hope this will be the best Asian MMORPG beyond FFXI, Lineage series, but like 5 million world wide, oh i hope

Well i am personaly happy that Aion is produced by NCSoft and specialy by a korean developer.

From my point of view koreans really know how to make mmo's fun but in a way i am kinda disapointed is too easy to lvl .

I was been looking for this kind of game since i hit lvl 60 in WoW pre BC and got very disapointed about thats no pvp system rather than just do BG's.

Masive siege wars outdoors is what i like and only asian mmo's seem to cover this part.

Well it should still have great world pvp even if there isn't a lvl grind.

Also, I know there are different definitions of grind, but you have to look at the opposites of eachother and use that as a scale, like games that take days to weeks to max a character and those that take months to years.

so:

<Easy----------Aion------------Hard>

Feel free to edit the scale, and move Aion in the direction you want but support the move with info.

The easiest game I have played was WoW thats where I get easy, hard comes from L2 and RF online. This is where I think Aion lands from all the info I've been reading, and the experiences in leveling I've had.

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

I agree just because it's from Korea. People need to take the time to read the reviews and visit some of the fan sites dedicated to Aion before saying ingnorant things about a game beforehand.

so agree with ya

I agree that it wont be a grind and am looking forward to playing it, but what exactly is a grindfest per se? I went back to L2 with a free trial once and I only played like 7 days out of it (not even relentlessly) and managed to hit lvl 40 and get my class transfer quests done all by way of solo play. I also tried WoWs free trial version and playing at the same pace I didn't even manage to hit lvl 16 (yes I was doing quests as it's pretty much the only way to lvl). Every game has grind and I guess it's just how they mask it.

from what they said this is not ganna be a super grindy game (thank god)

they said it would be just like wow is now which isnt horrible... 

and i hate people who judge before they even have a chance to acctuallty see the game!!!!!!

 i think this is ganna be amazing the graphics and the gamplay its original and i know no matter what im going to get it!!!

What mmorpg is not about grinding?

WoW? certainly not, lots of grinding there. Aion will likely be similar. Wich is not a bad thing at all.

Why the hype-meter is full of posts "another asian grindfest", is beyond me. They add nothing, give no information and no basis for the vote. And I think those should be removed.

Originally posted by TalRasha 

Why the hype-meter is full of posts "another asian grindfest", is beyond me. They add nothing, give no information and no basis for the vote. And I think those should be removed.

It's not beyond me.  Darkfall fanbois, obviously.  They had a campaign to spam the hype-o-meter.  They spammed Stargate with comments like Zzzzz and Lame and spammed CotS with comments like:

If I could give less hype I would. DF2008

looks coo, but it gets a 1 for the sake of DF

Yeah, they're just that stupid. 

But, on the plus side, they ensured that if anyone ever asks me about their pathetic, never-to-be-released game, I'll tell them to avoid it based on community. 

Originally posted by TalRasha

What mmorpg is not about grinding?

WoW? certainly not, lots of grinding there. Aion will likely be similar. Wich is not a bad thing at all.

 

Why the hype-meter is full of posts "another asian grindfest", is beyond me. They add nothing, give no information and no basis for the vote. And I think those should be removed.

Yep...this is the point. Every game involves some type of grinding. What made WoW and other games successful isn't that there isn't a grind, it is simply the wonderful way in which the devs mask the grind through story lines, quests, etc.

From what I have read about Aion so far is that even the quests are going to be different that what we are used to. Sure there will be kill 10 of these quests or gather 10 of those quests but there are also going to be cutscene type quests that are completely different. One such quest type I thought I remember reading about in Aion is something similar to your character being transformed into a bird (for some reason I am thinking a parrot) and you spying on a NPC to get information with lots of story lines, cutscenes, and voiceovers to really get the player a feeling of involvement in the game. I personally cannot wait.

Add that to the killer PvP in the Abyss and the Raids/Castle seiges and you just may have yourself one very incredible game :)

Originally posted by Alundre

Originally posted by TalRasha

What mmorpg is not about grinding?

WoW? certainly not, lots of grinding there. Aion will likely be similar. Wich is not a bad thing at all.

 

Why the hype-meter is full of posts "another asian grindfest", is beyond me. They add nothing, give no information and no basis for the vote. And I think those should be removed.

 

Yep...this is the point. Every game involves some type of grinding. What made WoW and other games successful isn&apos;t that there isn&apos;t a grind, it is simply the wonderful way in which the devs mask the grind through story lines, quests, etc.

From what I have read about Aion so far is that even the quests are going to be different that what we are used to. Sure there will be kill 10 of these quests or gather 10 of those quests but there are also going to be cutscene type quests that are completely different. One such quest type I thought I remember reading about in Aion is something similar to your character being transformed into a bird (for some reason I am thinking a parrot) and you spying on a NPC to get information with lots of story lines, cutscenes, and voiceovers to really get the player a feeling of involvement in the game. I personally cannot wait.

Add that to the killer PvP in the Abyss and the Raids/Castle seiges and you just may have yourself one very incredible game :)

Well thats not entirely what grinding is to most people. Quest grinding is a form of grinding yes, but when people say grinding they mean killing mobs 24/7 to get a level a week.(with respect to leveling)
 

WoW is a horrible example of a hidden grind because they hid it so well that it takes 4 days now for some hardcore people to max a character. I dont care what anyone says thats just fail. I suppose the content helps but its just too easy.

Saying that, this is how I see grind and how its generally viewed;

 grind=rate of exp + Time to lvl

WoW: very fast exp rate + a day = not a grind

Harder Games : ungodly slow exp rates to the point I try not to look at the bar + a month/ over a week = grind

Content wouldnt change that equation for me and most people.

As long as the quests give decent exp without over simplifying the leveling it will be a good in between on the leveling scale, and fun to play. Which looks like the case here.

The point of this post was to try and clarify what I meant originally by "Grindfest", because that is what people mean by the asian grindfest standard.

Originally posted by Sharajat

If I could give less hype I would. DF2008

looks coo, but it gets a 1 for the sake of DF

Yeah, they're just that stupid. 

But, on the plus side, they ensured that if anyone ever asks me about their pathetic, never-to-be-released game, I'll tell them to avoid it based on community. 

For a game that's been in development forever and will probably have a slow launch, I would expect their community to be far better then this. As you said they are ensuring anyone with half a brain avoids Darkfall. Can't say I'm too optimistic about the success of this game, which is unfortunate.

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by Sharajat

If I could give less hype I would. DF2008

looks coo, but it gets a 1 for the sake of DF

Yeah, they're just that stupid. 

But, on the plus side, they ensured that if anyone ever asks me about their pathetic, never-to-be-released game, I'll tell them to avoid it based on community. 

 

For a game that's been in development forever and will probably have a slow launch, I would expect their community to be far better then this. As you said they are ensuring anyone with half a brain avoids Darkfall. Can't say I'm too optimistic about the success of this game, which is unfortunate.

The idea behind DF is interesting, but those are just the worst kind of people to play with. Its pretty obvious they do most of the trash talking about other games.
 

But, thats why we need a thread like this so that people actually looking into the game see that the trash talk is coming from the immature people who need to trash talk about a game just to get people to look at theirs.

And just out of spite DF looks ugly as hell =P

 surely grinding is more about the tedium and monotony more than the time it takes to level.

If a game took a week or more to go up a level but you didn't notice because all the story driven quests etc. you've been going on are so varied and the gameplay itself is so much fun, then such a game couldn't be called a grindfest surely?

grinding is when you're doing something boring, again and again, just for the sake of xp.

A good game should be the inverse, doing a variety of different things that you want to do because they're fun, and getting xp out of it too.

Aion looks like it wil be closer to the latter.

Originally posted by jon_the_d

 

grinding is when you're doing something boring, again and again, just for the sake of xp.

Which is what I meant, sorry if you thought I was saying something else.

If the exp is slow enough i don't care how good the quest is its going to get boring and be a grind.