Lineage II

Why does some games that have potential fail so hard?

I have played Lineage II from now and then for a while and i have to say right of the bat that i haven't even touched the end-gameplay yet. I know it's the the games strongest and most fun part but IMO i want a game that is fun from the start and all the way to end-level. Yes, just like WoW. I really don't like to "work" for a year before a game gets interesting.

Why am i even the slightest interested in this game then?

Well it have some strengths that out classes every other MMO today IMO. First of, the graphics and the design. Sure, the unreal-engine sure is old like stone but amazingly enough the game still looks stunning! It's just something with that old graphic and the smooth look of it that i love so much. EQ2 and games with similar graphics that have a way better graphic-engine still looks worse IMO. Many times it just got that plastic and "to-much-technic" look over it.

And then we have the number one thing about Lineage II. The design. Holy cow... I love it more than anything else. Along with the awesome fighting animation (meaning that it looks cool, not that they are well animated) you actually feel like the cool guy swinging the sword. The attacks, the fighting-poses, the whole look on the characters just blows me away. The game that can stand up to it is of course WoW that have almost perfect design through out the whole game. It varies more in Lineage II.

Then we have the music which is also my absolut favourite in all MMOs i ever played (even if it is VERY repeating). The game that comes closest is once again WoW.

BUT as i said below, i just can't stand the grind. The open empty areas, the clicking around (that gives NO feeling of PVP what so ever) and the <yawn> quests is just to boring.

I really wish Lineage II could be more easy to get into, quests that actually are fun and with variation and had controls like WoW. That would be sweet

I'm holding my thumbs for Lineage III (But with no expectation what so ever )

I agree with  everything you said about Lineage 2. I love the Graphics, Sound, Character Looks and most of all I love they way they fight. I have been playing Lineage 2 for years and still to this day I dont know what keeps me going back.

This game really does need to do a complete overhaul to its quest system because I really want to quest sometimes but the quest rewards just make it not even worth it. This game also needs some content to give playes something to do. I am A Grade at the moment and I am trying so hard to reach S Grade but I am getting burned out from doing the same thing everday. I get tired of having nonthing else to do but look for an XP Group to grind. I dont mind grinding but I just hate that I am forced to grind. In my opinion they should revamp the quest system so people can have something else to do other than grinding all day everyday.

Love the title tbh lol.

You are right in many ways, i guess it comes down to individual experience. I played it for 2 yrs so i reached end-game per se. But the most fun i ever had in that game was during my lower lvls. Goin out with my clanmates to hunt and suddenly being jumped. We'd come back for revenge and so on. The constant thrill of open pvp made lvling both fun and scary lol.

Many people (most of the western players it seems) have hated the grind ( dont love it) but i always play games in a manner where im not preocupied with the endgame but rather on the journey. But we have AION coming up, its has a lot of the mechanics you love about L2 w/o the grind. SO lets wait for that and see.

It's also a full open world, unlike today's MMORPGs. Hard to find these kind of games today tbh.

Originally posted by Rehmes

Love the title tbh lol.

You are right in many ways, i guess it comes down to individual experience. I played it for 2 yrs so i reached end-game per se. But the most fun i ever had in that game was during my lower lvls. Goin out with my clanmates to hunt and suddenly being jumped. We'd come back for revenge and so on. The constant thrill of open pvp made lvling both fun and scary lol.

Many people (most of the western players it seems) have hated the grind ( dont love it) but i always play games in a manner where im not preocupied with the endgame but rather on the journey. But we have AION coming up, its has a lot of the mechanics you love about L2 w/o the grind. SO lets wait for that and see.

You are saying that the most fun you had in the game was during your lower leves when you played with your friends. I don't doubt that but it doesn't really have anything to do with the game because even a really bad MMO can be very fun with the right friends, battles and circumstances when the adrenaline is pumping

The open PVP sure is nice. Though i tend to like the old version better where you could drop your weapons and equipment in most PVP fights. It could be a hard loss if you got killed but those fights sure was exciting as hell!

And taking someones nice weapon when you killed them and they PM you and begging of you to hand it back. Good times

yes. L2 is a amazing game :)

i like grind so that part of the game really does not bother me :)

yeah, even after being banned, i just cant not like L2, even with my hatred for NCsoft. I dunno, i was thinking of just buying another copy and getting another account, but seeing all the threads in the L2 forums about bots and etc, just make me that much more angry over my punishment.

I have to confess, I really love L2.

I was in Europe on a six month holiday and the last three were in eastern europe where internet cafes are really popular and dirt cheap. Think like $2us for the night pack which runs from 11pm to 8am and you have access to over 2 terrabytes of pirate movies, really good computers with nice headphones, comfy chairs and cheap drinks/beer/food as well. I reiterate, you can drink beer and smoke joints in the cafe!!! Needless to say when I wasnt out at nightclubs I was in one of the doom internet cafes.

Of course you had people playing WoW , Eve, Lotro and such but alot of people where playing L2 on DragonNetwork which was a free server that most Euros played on.  So I started a character on the 5x server and never looked back. I fucking loved L2 right from the start. At the end of two weeks I had four characters over lvl 60 and was closing in on S-grade with my archer.

I havent been as hooked by any other mmorpg, maybe UO in its earlier days and WoW for a little while. I just loved the feel of L2. You may say it was because I didnt suffer the grind so much being on a 5x server but I kind of disliked leveling up so quickly as I didnt have the chance to do every quest in an area or fully explore each area because I would be too high level for it too quickly.

Once I've settled back down in AU I'll probably start some characters on official servers and get back into it, I'll be starting with nothing but at least I'll know the game. It might be a grind-fest and might not be the most popular mmo, but nothing else I've played has touched me as much as L2.

The only mmo's I'll be playing in the foreseeable future are L2 and Darkfall.

 I actually liked the grind. Because imo the point of the game isn't really getting to the highest level as quickly as i can, but to enjoy the process in between, enjoy the look of every tree and the sound of every cicada's chiming, and enjoying the discussion and the perfect world with my friends.

But yeah, I agree that Lineage 2 is the best with its art design and immense world. It's just so perfect!