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So Blizzard has announced that it's second expansion pack for WoW will hit the stores on November 13th. For awhile now, I have thought that Lord of the Rings Online's first expansion; Mines of Moria was due to be released on November 14th. Is this true? If so, do you think that Blizzard's decision to release their's one day earlier is deliberate? I am a fan of both games. However, I must admit that I am much more excited to see Mines of Moria than Wrath. The fact that it is mostly set in a vast, underground dungeon, is very appealing, and ambitious, and I don't think something like this has been attempted before. Wrath I think will be an improvement over The Burning Crusade, and I am keen to see what form this 'increased story-telling' expansion will take. For me though, Mines is where my interest is at. I'd like to hear you folks' opinions. 
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9/16/08 9:46:55 AM#2
Great question. I'll be scoring both, because as I see it..they are both compelling fantasy gaming environments. Mines of Moria? For pure adventuring / exploring, lets face it..this is the place to be in Middle Earth. You can have your Gap of Rohan, topside Misty Mountains and Shire. Give me the mysterious, vast Dwarven depths filled with eerie mysteries. Im so there.
Lich King. I dont know what it is, but Im a sucker for cold, frozen fantasy landscapes. Much more than forests and plains. Blizz, does superb atmospheres, Im there as well.
Golden age for MMO fans this last half of 2008, Two great looking expansions and Warhammer. Late nights here we come...
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9/16/08 12:18:34 PM#3
I'll be buying MoM for myself and my daughter is currently trying War. If she is bored by November, I'm sure I'll be buying Wrath for her:)
Oh, and if Blizz did schedule their release one day before Turbines date- then I'd say it was deliberate. They gotta be so pi$$ed still that LoTRO won so many Game Of The Y ear awards last year when it was up against Burning Crusade. Another reason they surely dislike Turbine is that their parent company's (Vivendi) arch nemesis in the business world is Time Warner. TW just partnered up with Turbine and gave them 40 million buckeroos for a future unnamed MMO to be developed. And the head of Blizz has to feel competitive towards Turbine. I saw a published report of the "Most Influential Game Developers" in the USA. and Blizz's CEO was #1 but Steefel, from Turbine, was #2. This could get verrrrry interesting in the future.
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9/16/08 3:00:36 PM#4
Why would Blizzard be concerned or even competitive with a niche MMO with low numbers? LoTRO has nothing on WoW as far as subscriptions go... maybe they set that release date to be a dick, which I wouldn't put past them. You only get one chance to make an impression, LoTRO was hoping for 1mil+ subs, they missed their mark by hundreds of thousands and unless they make the game free they will NEVER see those numbers (and if you read the forums, you'll know that the fans of LoTRO don't even want those kind of numbers)... All you are going to see is WoTLK dominate the sales charts and put MoM sales far in its shadow.
Maybe if Turbine, you know, advertised like you're supposed to then things may have been different... |
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9/16/08 3:07:06 PM#5
Originally posted by logicbox9
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions |
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9/16/08 3:14:43 PM#6
Originally posted by Superstition
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
You have no way of knowing how may subscribers LOTRO has. Its true its not as many as Wow.
What you guys should be talking about, is all the features in WOTLK, that are taken directly from LOTRO and MoM expansion. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
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9/16/08 3:17:26 PM#7
Originally posted by Superstition
well put, im sure blizzard hardly consider lotro a threat at all considering there current subscription numbers are around the 200k mark so in total the expansion mines of moria will be looking to sell less than that compared to wow which will be selling in the millions
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either. Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691 I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm. If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
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9/16/08 4:01:23 PM#8
Nice link. |
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9/16/08 4:05:10 PM#9
I'll be honest I have not realy looked for any news/videos on the new MoM expansion, is it in beta yet? is there an NDA? Its always amazed me that blizzard dont realy operate with an NDA they are happy for info to get out there and video to popup and its not harmed WoW in anyway. Why dont other devs take this route? |
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9/16/08 4:10:27 PM#10
The only direct deliberation I expect of Blizzard is their eye to time the market for the holiday season. They have nothing to fear from LOTRO. The only thing they have to fear is themselves, really. |
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9/16/08 4:11:51 PM#11
Originally posted by coffee
Its comming out the day after...and there are a ton of articles about it. |
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9/16/08 4:13:04 PM#12
Originally posted by Professor78
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either. Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691 I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm. If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes. |
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9/16/08 4:16:35 PM#13
Originally posted by logicbox9
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either. Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691 I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm. If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes. You clearly have not been paying attention.
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9/16/08 4:18:52 PM#14
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes. You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well. |
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9/16/08 4:20:12 PM#15
Originally posted by logicbox9 Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes. You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well. Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
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9/16/08 4:37:45 PM#16
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well. Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
what ballpark do you think lotro's sub numbers are then to deem it 'successful'? |
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9/16/08 4:43:18 PM#17
Originally posted by Superstition You clearly have not been paying attention.
lrn2read.
Just because it got good reviews doesn't mean it sold well. Yes, it did, unless you only consider Wow like numbers, Success.
what ballpark do you think lotro's sub numbers are then to deem it 'successful'?
Enough to pay all the bills, continue development, and create an expansion, continue advertisement promotions ? ETC... You’re going to tell me its not? Going by your forum avatar, I bet only millions is what you would consider successful, like most sheep new to the genre.
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9/17/08 7:33:54 AM#18
Originally posted by logicbox9
Just wondering where you get the 200K from. As far as im aware it hasnt been published anywhere? And a recent Interview Steefel said that LOTRO is well on its way to reaching mass-market - which only WOW has done so far. Oh, and LOTRO is not worldwide either. Great article here http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=228691 I have to say that the LOTRO server im on is very densely populated atm. If I was Blizz, I would be afraid, and try underhand tricks to stock the competition hehe
Top 10 selling games of 2007... LoTRO isn't on it, so that it means it sold less than 272k boxes. If you think the retention rate for MMOs is anywhere above 30-40%, you're crazy... so I think 200-250k is a very reasonable guess, besides if it were anywhere near impressive, Turbine would have blasted their sub numbers everywhere because it's great publicity... Blizzard has nothing to worry about, I'll be surprised if MoM sells more than 150k boxes.
Even though Turbine keeps mum about their sub numbers, their distributor's CEO in Europe let it slip in a news interview. 300k sales in Europe and double that in the US. LoTRO has sold 900k units worldwide at the time of that article. Why doesn't Turbine come forth and brag? Because of WoW's "12 million" of course. Maybe they will announce it if they hit the "1 Million" milestone someday:) http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-news/technology-news/2008/06/19/gamehorizon-david-solari-51140-21108133/ |
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9/17/08 9:24:59 AM#19
Correct. |
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9/17/08 9:40:57 AM#20
Originally posted by coffee
This has been a MAJOR complaint from many LoTRO players. Turbine has done a terrible job marketing their game and marketing their upcoming expansion. Beta sign ups from MoM have been going for quite some time but the gaming community as a whole has no idea. No articles are done, not big announcements, no banner ads on websites announcing it. Heck... at one time the homepage on www.lotro.com went almost an entire month without a single update to it. I don't think Blizzard has anything to worry about when it comes to keeping WoW on top. They have the money the resources and the marketing to keep their game in the limelight. To the poster who commented about WoTLK having MoM elements thrown into it, well duh! When has blizzard ever created anything original for their game? Everything in it is just a beefed up version of someone else's work. That's not a criticism, it's just fact. |
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