I'm currently downloading LotRO for the 7 days trial. Have been playing WoW since the start and was really looking forward to Warhammer. But after 10 days of playing, i was very disepointed... I know it's a PVP game even if it got tons of lore from the Warhammer universe so i have potential of beeing a good PVE. I just coulden't stand the horrible interface, the (imo)  bad design and the boring quests. I hate the quests the most because most missions i played where so... I don't know, simple and it really doesn't feel like the developers have tried to make the quests feel fun at all. Just tried to make them a bit unique (failed). Like that cannon thing you can shoot in the biggining. Holy crap that sucked bad...

Anyways. I'm really hoping for LotRO. And please have a nice interface... (Why can't more MMOs have  a interface like Lineage II. I have still not found any better. Simple and good looking.)

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

 

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

I think Solareus was also getting at the fact you log in and pay to spend countless hours waiting before actually being able to do something.

And i for one agree with Solareus when it comes to LotRo, the PvP system in that was and still is very good. I quit the game 6+ months ago due to the rest of the game being boring, but i spent a fair few hours in the Ettenmoors as a freep and say with all honesty that it's the best instanced PvP zone i've ever played.  It's enthralling, it's Exciting, it's all out action and finally it kept me going and wanting more even though i usually hate PvP in any form.

i played warhammer i played LOTRO and personaly i love LOTRO due to all the stuff you can do on there. and it is a bit more out of the box then warhammer..when i play warhammer i feel like im playing a pvp version of WoW lol. Atlease LOTRO there is a dif feel to it..pluse making up your own sonds rock lol..never gets old

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

 

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

 

I think Solareus was also getting at the fact you log in and pay to spend countless hours waiting before actually being able to do something.

And i for one agree with Solareus when it comes to LotRo, the PvP system in that was and still is very good. I quit the game 6+ months ago due to the rest of the game being boring, but i spent a fair few hours in the Ettenmoors as a freep and say with all honesty that it's the best instanced PvP zone i've ever played.  It's enthralling, it's Exciting, it's all out action and finally it kept me going and wanting more even though i usually hate PvP in any form.

I agree that Solareus was implying that you have to spend countless hours waiting before you can do stuff. I was stating that he was absolutely incorrect.
If you get past the starter PvE area (where you can if you want queue up for a scenario), there is non-instanced RvR area that, at least on the 3 different servers I tried, was constantly in a state of battle. Once you have created a character and walked them over there (about 30 min to do this), you can leave them there and always be in an RvR fight without any waiting.
There are a lot of things that can be said about the WAR OB, but if you are going to try and attack it, it least know what you are talking about and don’t make things up.
 

Originally posted by tfox2k1

LOTRO with MOM will be the best PVE experience in any MMO.    LOTRO PVP is great because you're fighting against other players who are not on their PVE characters.  So the endless cycle of nerfing and buffing isn't as dramatic.    LOTRO in fact has the best PVP of any MMO out there.     Because it is seperate.   Turbine needs to just build upon their solid foundation of PVP.

LOTRO is the best MMO out, its a shame more haven't realized this yet. 

 

 

I somewhat agree with your post, but this particular paragraph.... Lol no. Lotro pvp is dreadful, it is tacked on, an afterthought.

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

Originally posted by solareus

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

 

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

 

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

Then this is what you should have said in your first post; I agree, I never developed an attachment to my WAR chars that I have with my LOTRO chars.  And yes, the PvP is WAR is pretty much just a lot of killing back and forth at low level.  At higher levels they do have keeps to defend and siege weapons from what I have heard, never got past level 13 in OB.  But, you really can't claim that there is a lot of waiting around in WAR; there is NO waiting around in WAR, you log in and you start killing and you keep killing til you log out with very little time to relax.  I was on the edge of my seat constantly trying to keep my kill to killed ratio high.

I have no problem with people pointing out factual reasons why WAR doesn't appeal to them.  But sooo many people on this forum seem to attack it for things that just don't acurately describe the game and I don't think it is fair to people who didn't get into OB to make false statements about it when they very well might like the game.

It is definetly not for everyone, and I don't think it will draw many people from LOTRO.  But if someone out there is an avid WoW player and is trying to decide between trying LOTRO and trying WAR; they probably will be happier with WAR.

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

 

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

 

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

  there is NO waiting around in WAR, you log in and you start killing and you keep killing til you log out with very little time to relax.  I was on the edge of my seat constantly trying to keep my kill to killed ratio high.

You may want to try Rohan Online , same concepts , and it is free :)

I'm a LotRO lifer who spent a year volunteering on the LotROVault, I did everything from quest writeups to ABCs.

I love LotRO.

But, I miss PvP and I will be subbing to WAR for the RvR. I do hope, as LotRO moves closes to the "war zone" that true PvP will be implemented (Just so I can stick to one game to provide me with PvE and PvP).