Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by AlexanderTD

Originally posted by mscouts77

Yes its WarHammer....   but look at what you guys are missing....  please keep an open mind... I hate seeing good people waste time on a game that is going nowhere

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHAGtyNMz8

I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.

 

Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.

This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327   "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing " - pure troll.

I just find it funny that the game you call a benchmark, is the same exact game were people are screaming 1 shot. This is not to say I don't enjoy Age of Conan's combat. But there was or could have been better alternatives to how they did there combat also. I honestly do not see any difference in any combat out there besides speed. You can only do combat on a keyboard in so many ways. And if you think about it, it all boils down to hitting a key. Maybe in a different order, or faster speed. Age of Conan's combat is good, but I actually enjoy a slower paced combat when it comes to RPG's. I enjoy a faster combat when playing an FPS.

Actually AoC did set a benchmark but its for the worst game ever released as a retail product. And lets not forget the patches with more bugs than the patch fixes. Then theres the total lack of depth and overall massive boredom feel the game has.

Overall AoC has set the benchmark for what a MMO should not be.

Thanks Funcom for giving the community and  other developers a wake up call.

tell ya what Avery.....

I will make you a bet....

If FunCom releases PvP patch in 4 days (which you said was going to happen) I will publicly apologize to you and to FunCom.....

however...  if they dont... and they push back AGAIN.... you have to accept the fact that they are LYING....

how about it?

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by AlexanderTD

Originally posted by mscouts77

Yes its WarHammer....   but look at what you guys are missing....  please keep an open mind... I hate seeing good people waste time on a game that is going nowhere

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHAGtyNMz8

I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.

 

Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.

This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327   "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing " - pure troll.

Until you post a video of yourself swinging a great poleaxe from back to front in less than 3 seconds (repeatedly for atleast 20 seconds, the length of a decent fight), the only thing I have to say is to stop whining.

You know, its sad that we have those who come here and bash AoC while propping up the game of their choice. If you don't like AoC then move on, that is what I did. I played AoC beta and War beta. I gave AoC the benefit of the doubt and bought the game. It did not hold my interest after 30 days so I left. Let it go guys. You do not make yourselves or your game of choice look any better by doing this.

Its all opinions here. Just accept the fact that some people like one product over another and others like both and some even like neither one. Its what makes people  unique and interesting. Live and let live.

Cheers!

Originally posted by vmoped

You know, its sad that we have those who come here and bash AoC while propping up the game of their choice. If you don't like AoC then move on, that is what I did. I played AoC beta and War beta. I gave AoC the benefit of the doubt and bought the game. It did not hold my interest after 30 days so I left. Let it go guys. You do not make yourselves or your game of choice look any better by doing this.

Its all opinions here. Just accept the fact that some people like one product over another and others like both and some even like neither one. Its what makes people  unique and interesting. Live and let live.

Cheers!

Well said, was about to post something very similar myself. I'll add to it actually, /equips flame retardant suit.

What really boggles me is seeing people who's (admitted) goal is to correct so called "fanbois" here, while they berate anyone who posts anything remotely negative about WAR over on it's forum. Quite an amusing contradiction in all honesty.

 Here's something that has me shaking my head every time I pvp in Warhammer: People STILL don't realize the game has *auto-face*.

If I have you targetted, you have me targetted, my character NEVER gets the "Not in line of sight " message. Even if the model is slow in updating, ALL of my moves go off regardless of how much time and energy you waste circle strafing, because my character automatically faces you...

Try it out if you're new to the game, I understand many people weren't in closed beta and are new to the game, so the next time some bright spark thinks he's playing WoW and starts his little dance show, stand still and execute your moves : Note that auto attack swings and all abilities go off w/out fail. And then chuckle at the people exerting effort on their fantastic circle strafing ritual.

For the love of god, STOP alreaady, understand that auto face is in, you do nothing but make it hard for healers not in your group to target you.

I realize this is off-topic, but I'm sold on WAR anyway, have been in beta and an elder tester since Aug 2007 and I'm still excited about it, so I know I'll be playing and don't really feel the need to sell it to people that aren't interested.

Just stop bloody circle strafing so I can heal you, and you can look less foolish.

Thanks.

Boring pvp video. This is why pvp sucks in most mmo's today. Run around like a headless chicken pressing a shortcut now and then, and if you win you clap yourself on your shoulder and think you're skilled? Dont make me laugh. Real videogame pvp is found in any multiplayer fps...or even some rts, not in any mmo. Granted mmo-pvp can be fun once in a while, but I laugh when people call themself a skilled pvp player. You need knowledge, not skill to be a successful mmo pvp'er. In twitch-based fps'es you need skill. I know alot of you aint gonna agree with that statement, but get into TF2, UT or any other twitch fps and try your 'mmo-pvp skill' there. You'll get raped...hard I might add even

for those of you on the other side from me, please continue to run around so your healers cant target you..lol

WAR is RvR, not PvP btw.

Sorry but running round in circles and playing shit music over the top of it does'nt do justice to this game bud ...... your Video actually makes it look like some Korean shit game.

Also people that play like that are fucking annoying to the extreme.

Having played WAR for a bit, I can say that the pvp demonstrated in this video was what I remembered it to be. As some have pointed out, typical zerg, circle-strafe pvp. Nothing new. Didn't feel special or exciting, just more of the same.

However, if you're enjoying it, great! I really wish I would have been more excited by it. WAR was previously on my "watching" list, as was AoC, but neither really did it for me. Why am I in these forums? I'm kind of bored with WoW and want to try something new. This happens to me quite often, I just usually end back with WoW, but it doesn't mean I stop looking.

I was actually looking for good videos of AoC when I stumbled on to this very ordinary thread.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Odd, I expected to see combat footage from EVE.  You were talking about REAL PVP afterall.

I mean, I hate to see people wasting good time on another game.  )

 

Oh your classic.. maybe this guy should read their own SIG.. read the THREAD before POSTING..

"REAL PVP looks like AoC vs WAR" haha..eve a real PVP LMAO..

Originally posted by mscouts77

Originally posted by Sirspongy

I do not see anything special about the PvP that was displayed in that video. It looks about as interesting as AoC PvP. I am not sticking up for AoC in anyway though. AoC failed on so many levels for me.

 

that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....

but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....

I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU

yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by AlexanderTD

Originally posted by mscouts77

Yes its WarHammer....   but look at what you guys are missing....  please keep an open mind... I hate seeing good people waste time on a game that is going nowhere

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHAGtyNMz8

I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.

 

Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.

This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327   "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing " - pure troll.

The thing is though is WAR has pvp in it s game as promised where as AOC?? Where is it.
 

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by mscouts77

Originally posted by Sirspongy

I do not see anything special about the PvP that was displayed in that video. It looks about as interesting as AoC PvP. I am not sticking up for AoC in anyway though. AoC failed on so many levels for me.

 

that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....

but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....

I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU

yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype

Lol i can assure you it s huger then AOCs revolutionary 48 vs 48 pre determined so called sieges.
 

What shitty music

 Realm vs Realm I would say is when i's one realm (lots) vs (lots) from the other realm. 

1v1 I would say is player versus another player (which is when the strafe-tards really put on a show).

No matter what title they decide to give it, when all is said in done, it comes down to players vs other players -PvP.

Either way, no matter to me, just the way I see it.

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

What shitty music

As if you had no idea what the music was going to be until you clicked the link.

You won't find real PvP in any modern MMO.

Originally posted by Soki123

The thing is though is WAR has pvp in it s game as promised where as AOC?? Where is it.
 

I was talking about combat mechanics on 1vs1 or ppl vs ppl level. Works perfectly from since i started to play. And next week that big PVP patch is finaly coming. They're adding PVP experience and PVP armors that will depend on PVP experience/stats and stuff or something like that..

Anyway - AOC could learn a thing or two from WAR. It's RVRlooks interesting, but when it comes to close and personal PVP - AOC wins in my opinion. But so far most of it about duels or PVP minigames. AOCs PVP could use some more motivation. I guess i'll be waiting for the game that combines best stuff from AOC and WAR. What i'll definately play is "Warhammer 40k" online :)

Btw, in that video - people are running around or in circles because positioning is essential in AOC, to avoid enemy combos and stuff. But if you run too much - you won't kill your opponent either. Some just run too much.

Here's more or less ok PVP vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D80cfXi8M6M

Here's a greats summary for two games mentioned here...

Eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

AOC http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan

Extremely accurate and funny. NOTE: there is more than a little adult language humor, but AOC is an "adult" game it should be fine here.

Originally posted by sbowling

Here's a greats summary for two games mentioned here...

 

Eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

 

AOC http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan

 

Extremely accurate and funny. NOTE: there is more than a little adult language humor, but AOC is an "adult" game it should be fine here.

 

 

Anyone who advertises Yahtzee is win.

You sir are win.

Does AOC LIE ?

www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/videos/play/1289 

You know the answer to this one.  :)

 well compared to aoc war looks so cartugly that the true pvp master will play it with a blindfold over his eyes 

After doing stuff like this to enemies is hard to switch.