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9/13/08 8:15:53 AM#76
Originally posted by Kilmar
Learn how stocks work and you will be allowed to post, but actually you're just trolling.
Thats not true...."Litigator_ab" probably has more experience in the financial institution than all of us (sounds like he does anyway) and they banned him for 3 days for posting factual information on Funcom. |
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9/13/08 8:23:33 AM#77
Originally posted by Hamrtime2
Thats not true...."Litigator_ab" probably has more experience in the financial institution than all of us (sounds like he does anyway) and they banned him for 3 days for posting factual information on Funcom.
So why not do it ing General/Off Topic forum? I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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9/13/08 8:25:16 AM#78
Originally posted by Hamrtime2
Thats not true...."Litigator_ab" probably has more experience in the financial institution than all of us (sounds like he does anyway) and they banned him for 3 days for posting factual information on Funcom. As long as he presented it in the form of factual information and not in the form of 'F*** YOU SIR I KNOW MY S*** EAT D*** GUY WHO POSTED BELOW ME F***WAD' then this is unfortunate, but you can't really blame them for policing their forums anyway they see fit. We continue to use them regardless LoD Empire Member |
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9/13/08 8:37:51 AM#79
The morning stock price fall of Failcom always brightens my day. Nothing like seeing Funcom down x% with hot cup of coffee in the morning. |
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9/13/08 8:54:47 AM#80
Originally posted by Thunderous
YOU may not be interested in discussing the stock performance here but that doesn't make it a violation of the terms of this forum. As above, this is a GENERAL DISCUSSION of AoC. The Funcom stock value pertains to Funcom, who makes AoC and directly impacts the present and future of AoC. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that the OP violated any terms of agreement on this forum.
Yes I dislike it, Yes I see no use in it being discussed here which DOES NOT mean peole should not discus it, it just means I don't see the use of it, just like you might see no use in what ever, but really what part made you reply with what you said, did I say he is or was in voilation NO just like you and everyone else I stated my opinion and no were did I say anything about violating anything. ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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9/13/08 9:58:46 AM#81
Originally posted by ranghar
ranghar, sorry on my part as well. I guess after seeing "Gamer Kid" for the 50th time it set me off lol. |
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Elsabolts
 Advanced Member
Joined: 10/03/06
Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It |
9/13/08 10:02:15 AM#82
Stock prices will never settle as long as company CEO is selling off his Funcom stock. This is the worst sign that company is in a bad way. |
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9/13/08 11:47:36 AM#83
Originally posted by chillsan
Well apparently it's not obvious. It doesn't matter whether or not players would go to this site or not to discuss things freely. I've seen this on the Lineag 2 boards for years. That board is a forum for the business and for the game. It is not there to foster anything other than discussion of the game and maybe some issues. But in no way, shape or form do players have free reign to discuss whatever they want to their heart's content. No business would allow such a thing unless they could implement whatever fixes that were required lightning fast. Otherwisse they are essentially offering the players the noose to hang the company by. So it ist with this site. This is not a fan site and is not paid for by us. It is a site that is paid for by advertising revenue. In some ways it is or can be thought of as a direct extension of the game companies. it is what it is and offers, like many other sites, quite a lot of information about what's going on. Whether or not people think it's perfect is not the point. this is not a set of forums by the players and for the players. So we have to live by the rules of these forums or go elsewhere. There will always be people who will visit this and other forums who absolutely don't post on forums. They just don't. over the years I have been contacted by so many of these players who have questions but just don't post on forums as they don't feel comfortable doing so. So whether or not playrers feel that they want to take posts elsewhere because they can't post how they like, doesn't really mean anything as there are so many other people who just use these forums as a source of information. Until you or anyone else starts to pay for these forums I suspect that that is the way it will stay. And like I said, players can feel free to start their own forums. However, as I've seen, though they might contain a lot of good information and allow a greater breadth of freedom they also lack a bit in moderation and eventually turn into something that most mature players (no matter the age) just won't put up with. It just is what it is.
Yea but on Lin2 'NCSoft owned' company forums they also delete and curtail too many anti-bot posts, because that also hurts their profits, they are not going to come straight out and say or put it that way though. Even though plenty of posts still sneak through. This is on the other hand is an all around open board for discussion to an extent when people chose to remain civil. As for the it is not directly paid for by us, our participation viewing and reading things here indirectly results in their being payed. It's all connected. I also understand what you mean about the lurkers, some people are not able to seperate the facts from the lies and half truths, that's why a discussion like this is important. It's great you help out players in pm who just lurk as this place can certainly be unfriendly at times.
That is true, we are the people who indirectly pay for the ads. I guess my real point is that websites that rely on advertising need to seem like advertising friendly websites. So yes, these forums can't become like the L2 official forums because as you pointed out, there will be a chunk of players who won't want to come here because they will feel like it isn't a good forum for discussion. But they also have to make sure that their advertisers aren't taking a beating either as they will just pull funding. I suppose this is why the American Newspapers have such a difficult time as we are constantly trying to balance the exact same thing. That is why private news sources are so important. |
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9/13/08 1:05:15 PM#84
Dear failcom guy, I usually agree with your sentiments. However I fear that for some time now the mods have been watching your post progress. I think perhaps it was the wording of your post A New Time Low? I do not agree with your infraction given by the mods but I am not a mod. I think they have been waiting perhaps for the right post to nail you with. Please take heart in that I and some others disagree with that decision as the post itself did not contain any swear words or grand insults. It was merely a post due to your unhappiness with the game that you actually wanted to love. I have not yet played conan myself, I still have it in its box and I think if funcom can survive not WAR but WOTLK then maybe in two or three years time they may have sorted it out enough for me to bother unwrapping it. While MMORPG.com rely on advertisements those advertisements would not exsist if the community flocked away from this website. Im rarely watch this forum anymore due to warhammer coming out which I have played and tested. However this situation does surprise me. Wic |
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9/13/08 1:23:22 PM#85
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Again with the misinformation. The company he owns ( not funcom) sold 18.7% of it's stock in Funcom. Weeks ago. He won't be able to sell any more until after the third quarter reports come out. The 400k shares sold represent 0.76% of the total shares in Funcom. It indicates nothing except he needed some liquidity in his portfolio. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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tkobo
Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/17/06
Current MMO dev teams = Keystone cops.A pure comedy of errors,sadly its not as intentional. |
9/13/08 1:34:37 PM#86
Take a very good look at the mods actions, and the posts made here by the games defenders....... It tells you all you need to know about the sites motives. Self interest.Nothing more.They need each other and are willing to do away with any of you that they "think" harms that cash flow. As it stands now, the forums are the ONLY part of this site that serves the mmo playerbase in any good measureable way. All the rest of the site is just advertisintg disguised as fluff "reporting". So dont expect an answer worth a damn from the fans , MMO devs,or their surrogates.Its a waste to even ask for one.When they clearly act in their own interests against yours the comsumer, call them on it for all to see,but dont bother to direct it to them.Its a waste of time. Direct it to the place that needs to know, the MMO consumer.You can do more to help the industry , the consumer, and yourself by simply telling each other what you know, and ignoring the people who are "running" things The industry (the dev teams and their surrogates) havent listened to people (their own customers at that) in circa a decade.They are NOT gonna start now.The industry is hurting.Their own incompetence is hurting them.They are worried.The apology posts, and "we need more or your money posts", etc... show this. Help put them out of their misery, and ours.They will be replaced.They tell you the industry will die if they fail,buts its untrue.Theyve failed for circa 10 years. What will occur after they are finally gone is that the money ,IPs, and time they waste, will go to others. The industry needs a rebirth. Help it get it.
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9/13/08 1:56:34 PM#87
Threads like this turn into flamefest/bait because posters try to misrepresent information to suit their argument/grip about a game as the OP appears to be doing. Those types of threads should be locked for the crap they bring to MMO forums. If you're not an expert in the financial field or have some solid background in dealing with finances and specifically stocks in this instance then you shouldn't try to offer supposed financial advice or so called warnings on a company based on your opinion on their stock performance to help your fellow gamers. Your intentions here are very transparent to say the least. And for the record I no longer play AoC nor am I happy with Funcom overall (very unhappy is closer to my current position) but, I can pick out disgruntled crap when I read it.
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Shannia
Novice Member
Joined: 11/06/05
"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen |
9/13/08 3:23:10 PM#88
Originally posted by Hamrtime2
So why did Funcom stock hit $55.50 (an all time high) shortly after????????????????
Because they hype had everyone believing it was the next WoW killer. Then the wheels fell off, and the rest is history. Now, I can't buy 2 20oz Cokes for the price of a share of Funcom stock. By the end of next week, I won't be able to buy one 20oz Coke for the price of a share of Funcom stock. The bottom has fallen out of it completely. As soon as you see it go under 89 cents a share, it will turn into a strong sell and be heading for penny stock category.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product." |
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indiramourn
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Joined: 12/13/05
MMOs require more reasoning and imagination than most stereotypically ''adult'' activities. |
9/13/08 4:15:30 PM#89
Originally posted by tkobo
There, fixed that for you. Call a spade a spade. The industry isn't the root of the problem. Developers like Funcom, SoE, Farlan, Dimension Games, and a couple others are the problem. |
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Reborn17
Novice Member
Joined: 9/17/07
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." |
9/13/08 5:26:29 PM#90
Been talked about a lot on this forum, musta gotten a little outta hand. "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" |
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9/13/08 5:47:08 PM#91
Originally posted by Shannia
Coke switched to 16oz packaging. Anyone who believed AoC was a WoW killer had issues best adressed by professionals. Funcom isn't traded in USD it's NOK. The stock is coasting down in low volume trades the bottom hasn't fallen out of anything. By the way that much touted 55.5 NOK high is about 9.70 USD per share. Funcom has been valued less that $5 (penny stock) for 99% of its existance. "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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EduardoASG
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Joined: 10/09/04
Kill 1 in peace time and you are a murderer, kill 100 in war time and you are an hero! |
9/13/08 5:54:41 PM#92
Originally posted by hobo9766
let me know if they lock up another thread like that so i can stop coming to mmorpg. What makes mmorpg forums good is the freedom people have here to tlak about lot of stuff. We all know how Funcom nazi forum policies are.. believe me.. Age of Conan crappy game and Funcom need mmorpg more than mmorpg needs them. Every single mmo player uses mmorpg as a source from wehere to pick games and get info. The day FC decides to stop sponsoring morpg, FC is pretty much dead in the mo market. But the day mmropg starts to ban people for telling things the advertising companies dont like.. its the day moorpg will start to die aswel.
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9/13/08 7:00:11 PM#93
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Again with the misinformation. The company he owns ( not funcom) sold 18.7% of it's stock in Funcom. Weeks ago. He won't be able to sell any more until after the third quarter reports come out. The 400k shares sold represent 0.76% of the total shares in Funcom. It indicates nothing except he needed some liquidity in his portfolio.
Come on.....................You have no idea why he would sell 20% of his stock when he did. If I was the CEO and i had faith in my company, there would be no way in hell I would be selling. Lets say he knocked up his babysitter and he needed some hush money. (please dont take it seriously) That would be a reason to sell. Or he is buying a new house and needed some quick cash for a down payment. Thats another reason to sell. There are many reasons but to say he needed "some liquidity in his portfolio" is just guessing. I think the more logical reason he sold almost 20% of his shares is because he sees the writing on the wall. Funcom is in huge trouble and he knows it. So he sells some of his options and puts a little money in his back pocket. Pretty smart if you ask me. |
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Azrile
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/29/08
Any new or returning player to WOW, send me a PM for some help getting started. |
9/13/08 7:28:19 PM#94
This thread is just full of bad information 1. Funcom is not in good shape. They spent 50M to produce and launch AOC ( 22M they borrowed in February). They only made 20% of box sales, which is 8M dollars. The rest goes to retailers and distributers. So basically they paid 50M to generate 8M. 3. Funcom LOST 8M in the 2nd quarter, despite the sales they got from boxes. They also had about -15M in cashflow and currently only have enough cash for about 6 more months of operation. 4. Funcom currently has 32M cash assets, and is in debt about 30M. 23M of that is short term debt which has to be repayed in the next 2 years. Seeing how Funcom lost 8M in the second quarter, it makes it difficult to see where they are going to get that 23M from. 5. All the major stock indexs are down about 5% over the past 2 years. Funcom's stock is down 50% over the same period... and is down a whopping 80% since it's high in may. When stock markets have 'bad' days.. it's usually 2-3%.... Funcom has had about 10 days in the past month where it's stock has dropped more than 10% and it hasn't had two positive days in a row since June. 6. Even with 800k box sales and 400k subscribers in the 2nd quarter.. Funcom LOST 8M dollars. How much bigger will that loss be when they don't have 800k box sales. ................................................ |
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9/14/08 12:35:44 AM#95
Funcom wont exist in 12 months. I really think things have gone so far downhill in terms of their reputation, gaining a fraction of that back is going to be a tough, tough ask. Maybe they can get the game up to par and try to sell it too Sony....Sony can claim "Under New Management"....mind you Sony doesnt have the best rep either, but they do have money. |
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9/14/08 3:26:37 AM#96
Originally posted by Azrile Don't forget, they're biggest stock loss was in one day. Hard to blame that on the rest of the market. |
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9/14/08 4:52:49 AM#97
Originally posted by Thunderous
YOU may not be interested in discussing the stock performance here but that doesn't make it a violation of the terms of this forum. As above, this is a GENERAL DISCUSSION of AoC. The Funcom stock value pertains to Funcom, who makes AoC and directly impacts the present and future of AoC. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that the OP violated any terms of agreement on this forum. Well said ,I agree 100 % The falling stock price is a topic of interest to many and does in no way infringe on the terms of mmorpg.com. To me this seems like an attempt to stop negative publicity towards Funcom ..which is impossible while there is a forum to have a general discussion about AOC "after the time of dice came the day of mice " |
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9/14/08 7:01:16 AM#98
honestly I don't think anyone cares anymore. Other than the share holders. Crapping on this game is just one more pile of poop on a mountain of it. Funcom dug their grave, let em RIP I miss DAoC
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9/14/08 7:41:22 AM#99
Originally posted by hobo9766
Pretty much everything you see on this site is a paid advertisement. Why else would there be stories about EQ2, DDO and all the other games no one playes anymore. |
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9/14/08 7:48:04 AM#100
Originally posted by Mattius
And it will al be their own fault. The ignored most of their beta testers and pushed out a half finished product that was full of bugs. You should have seen how bad the initial game interface was untill EVERYONE complained about it. It was obvious that whoever designed it (someone's wife IIRC) had never played a mmo (or quite possible ANY ) game before. Who the hell puts the strafe keys on Z and C? Oh, wait, I think they left those there in the release.... 0.o
EDIT: one of my favorite parts about the beta was that their bug report tool would usually crash the game. |
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