Originally posted by Kyleran

Odd, I expected to see combat footage from EVE.  You were talking about REAL PVP afterall.

I mean, I hate to see people wasting good time on another game.  )

 

Oh your classic.. maybe this guy should read their own SIG.. read the THREAD before POSTING..

"REAL PVP looks like AoC vs WAR" haha..eve a real PVP LMAO..

Originally posted by mscouts77

Originally posted by Sirspongy

I do not see anything special about the PvP that was displayed in that video. It looks about as interesting as AoC PvP. I am not sticking up for AoC in anyway though. AoC failed on so many levels for me.

 

that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....

but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....

I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU

yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by AlexanderTD

Originally posted by mscouts77

Yes its WarHammer....   but look at what you guys are missing....  please keep an open mind... I hate seeing good people waste time on a game that is going nowhere

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHAGtyNMz8

I kept and open mind, but vidio killed the last doubt in me - this PVP is not half as interesting as in AOC. It's very linear and kinda static. In AOC you can have 30% of health while your enemy has 100 and still win, and in here it look more predictable - it is result of simplified combat. That's why AOC's combat was heading in right direction. It's not perfect, but i won't agree to anything less from now on.

 

Exactly Alexander, thats how I see it. AoC set a benchmark, I like wars approach in some ways but 3 second swing time in auto attack on my White Lion... just too long. Its not my cuppa tea. The constant hit from side or back promote Circle Strafing which is what we see in the initial post video. I hate that, all need in the jumping video's now.

This thread is was brought about by AoC haters to incite flames: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/201327   "We can kick each others asses in game then come here and post youtube links on the AoC forums so the guys there can see what they are missing " - pure troll.

The thing is though is WAR has pvp in it s game as promised where as AOC?? Where is it.
 

Originally posted by mo0rbid

Originally posted by mscouts77

Originally posted by Sirspongy

I do not see anything special about the PvP that was displayed in that video. It looks about as interesting as AoC PvP. I am not sticking up for AoC in anyway though. AoC failed on so many levels for me.

 

that was pretty much only a "hunt" I do in the scenarios....

but the HUGE battles happen for control of keeps....

I havent had this much fun in pvp since SWG pre CU

yeah.. "huge" battles - there were hardly ever people defending keeps in the closed beta. I wouldn't know about the open beta though since I've given up hope of WAR, it's another hype

Lol i can assure you it s huger then AOCs revolutionary 48 vs 48 pre determined so called sieges.
 

What shitty music

 Realm vs Realm I would say is when i's one realm (lots) vs (lots) from the other realm. 

1v1 I would say is player versus another player (which is when the strafe-tards really put on a show).

No matter what title they decide to give it, when all is said in done, it comes down to players vs other players -PvP.

Either way, no matter to me, just the way I see it.

Originally posted by Wolfkrone

What shitty music

As if you had no idea what the music was going to be until you clicked the link.

You won't find real PvP in any modern MMO.

Originally posted by Soki123

The thing is though is WAR has pvp in it s game as promised where as AOC?? Where is it.
 

I was talking about combat mechanics on 1vs1 or ppl vs ppl level. Works perfectly from since i started to play. And next week that big PVP patch is finaly coming. They're adding PVP experience and PVP armors that will depend on PVP experience/stats and stuff or something like that..

Anyway - AOC could learn a thing or two from WAR. It's RVRlooks interesting, but when it comes to close and personal PVP - AOC wins in my opinion. But so far most of it about duels or PVP minigames. AOCs PVP could use some more motivation. I guess i'll be waiting for the game that combines best stuff from AOC and WAR. What i'll definately play is "Warhammer 40k" online :)

Btw, in that video - people are running around or in circles because positioning is essential in AOC, to avoid enemy combos and stuff. But if you run too much - you won't kill your opponent either. Some just run too much.

Here's more or less ok PVP vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D80cfXi8M6M

Here's a greats summary for two games mentioned here...

Eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

AOC http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan

Extremely accurate and funny. NOTE: there is more than a little adult language humor, but AOC is an "adult" game it should be fine here.

Originally posted by sbowling

Here's a greats summary for two games mentioned here...

 

Eve http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/208-Eve-Online

 

AOC http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/138-Age-of-Conan

 

Extremely accurate and funny. NOTE: there is more than a little adult language humor, but AOC is an "adult" game it should be fine here.

 

 

Anyone who advertises Yahtzee is win.

You sir are win.

Does AOC LIE ?

www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/videos/play/1289 

You know the answer to this one.  :)

 well compared to aoc war looks so cartugly that the true pvp master will play it with a blindfold over his eyes 

After doing stuff like this to enemies is hard to switch.

having been playing open beta.   War absolutely owns in pvp.

with my group of buddies, it is like playing a chess match against the other team, while pvp in AoC was simply everyone target the same guy with your best combo.

Be blind and continue to think AoC has pvp in it,  i will be enjoying myself in a finished and polished game.

Note,  for all the idiots that whine about the 3 second auto attack.  You dont use auto attack, that is last resort when you dont have any AP left.  The combat is much faster, because you are using skills and such until you run out of ap.

Almost forgot.  Tanks can actually tank in pvp in warhammer.  First of all it has collision dectection like AoC, but unlike meaning basically nothing in AoC, your tanks can set up shield walls and other formations to block off doors and ledges all over the place in pvp.  Not to mention that taunts actually work in pvp, and that you can shield another player from 50% of thier damage and take it yourself. detaunt some guys in front of you and they deal 30% less damage.

There is so much you can do in Warhammer that isnt even possible in AoC.  i would love to see a seige where the tanks set up a shield wall to prevent them from getting through, and a freaking siege just boils down to trying to destroy all the buildings lol how utterly un epic.  atleast the focus of warhammer sieges is killing the enemy.

Originally posted by craynlon

 well compared to aoc war looks so cartugly that the true pvp master will play it with a blindfold over his eyes 

Lolwut? What "PvP master" would take graphics over gameplay? -_-

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by craynlon

 well compared to aoc war looks so cartugly that the true pvp master will play it with a blindfold over his eyes 

 

Lolwut? What "PvP master" would take graphics over gameplay? -_-

the pvp masters who are used to FPS's while sitting in their parents basement all the while shouting "BOOM, headshot" when they 1 shot kill some other player....

Originally posted by Vhati

having been playing open beta.   War absolutely owns in pvp.

with my group of buddies, it is like playing a chess match against the other team, while pvp in AoC was simply everyone target the same guy with your best combo.

 

Be blind and continue to think AoC has pvp in it,  i will be enjoying myself in a finished and polished game.

 

Note,  for all the idiots that whine about the 3 second auto attack.  You dont use auto attack, that is last resort when you dont have any AP left.  The combat is much faster, because you are using skills and such until you run out of ap.

 

Almost forgot.  Tanks can actually tank in pvp in warhammer.  First of all it has collision dectection like AoC, but unlike meaning basically nothing in AoC, your tanks can set up shield walls and other formations to block off doors and ledges all over the place in pvp.  Not to mention that taunts actually work in pvp, and that you can shield another player from 50% of thier damage and take it yourself. detaunt some guys in front of you and they deal 30% less damage.

There is so much you can do in Warhammer that isnt even possible in AoC.  i would love to see a seige where the tanks set up a shield wall to prevent them from getting through, and a freaking siege just boils down to trying to destroy all the buildings lol how utterly un epic.  atleast the focus of warhammer sieges is killing the enemy.

WAR is a well made game I'll give you that. The tanking collision detection is a great feature as well, someone should have come up with that long ago. Most of those other features are available in other games such as guild wars however, which I feel WAR is a glorified less instanced version of.

As for the 3 second attacks, certain classes have such an attack speed. Whether they are auto attacking or not each skill will take that long to swing or cast. That's your attack speed regardless of auto attack or skills being used.

However one must also acknowledge the bad with the good. I only played WAR for a week, and already got bored. Which definitely isn't a good thing to me. Considering endgame is basically the same as early game, with a few extra tweaks. I don't see myself purchasing warhammer.

I've wasted enough money on MMO's in the last few years, I'm done with going from game to game looking for something I will never find. Perfection is nonexistent in gaming, why should I play WAR when I just bought AOC a few months back and have fun playing it?

That's an easily answered question for me, I have no reason to 'especially' considering I got bored of running into a zerg over and over again in only a week.

That's WAR's biggest problem IMO, lack of individual importance on a battlefield. I really enjoy random 1v1 encounters or small (open world) 4v4 battles etc... This is something WAR really doesn't offer, it actually pretty much discourages it considering classes aren't balanced to be equal to each other on an individual level.

I hope you guys who were burnt by AOC and FC enjoy WAR, I hope it offers you years of entertainment. I see a lot for people to enjoy about it, it simply isn't my cup of pvp flavored tea.

I dont think anyone should post things about war in the aoc forum. I like war, and I dont like conan but some people are opposite and its there choice, just let them play what they want.

Its just because the people advertising warhammer's pvp were dissapointed by aoc and are exited about war's pvp so much they want to share it and let others have the same exitement by experiencing it themselves before juding it because its completely different from other mmorpgs that offer pvp.

In open beta i often enough saw comments of players that this was the best fun they ever had. They were in an rvr zone, so not a scenario, where it was about 50 or 75 vs 50 or 75. No keeps yet even in tier 1.

Keeps though smaller show up in tier 2 and in tier 3 they become huge.

The true difference between warhammer pvp and aoc or any other pvp game for that matter is fighting for your side. Its not some random gank fest like most pvp games are. Its one for all and all for one and for this there will be alliances born and sieges taking place with huge battles at which 100 -150 vs 100-150 will be  a common thing.

It all depends on what you like. If you like just small fights vs small fights with no other purpose besides you killing other players then fine.

I like it more complex, i like warhammer pvp, like daoc used to be and also made by mythic, where you pvp for a common purpose and pvp sieges are really sieges where more and more people come to your aid to help out take that keep while the other side defends it with all their power. This is not a siege like the instanced 48 vs 48 in aoc. Its completely different.

A siege in warhammer, as in daoc, can take days if the fight is big enough. The day when you had to log out it was still going on and the next day after work when you log in it might still be going on. Epic scale realm vs realm fights is what warhammer is about.

 Also you must not forget that warhammer's skills are all tailored for pvp, not pve. The skills that take 3 sec are skills like big ass nukes that do loads of damage or big heals which require you to not take any damage or the spell will fail. There's many instant cast skills with no cooldown, there's many skills that you can execute while being on the run. All classes have their role defined based on pvp, not pve.

Autoattack is not what you rely on in warhammer unlike other mmorpgs. Warhammer is about using the skills which is why for certain classes like the white lion its alot of side and back skills since thats the white lion his role and where his dps will shine. His purpose is not to stand and tank.For this each class gets many many skills . Masteries to refine your playstyle,  tactics to refine your playstyle, morale skills to further refine your playstyle. On top of that you have 80 renown levels which each give points to further enhance your playstyle with pvp skills. Its endless finetuning your class the way you like to play it.

 About graphics. Well i do think warhammer really looks great. Im thankful that mythic choses quality over quantity.  It shows they take their product very very serious which obviously funcom does not.I think the game looks really pretty and stil i dont notice any lag, yet with 75 vs 75 in tier 1.
 

Thats why the aoc sieges were cut down to 48vs48. Hardly epic coz of the demanding graphics. In aoc  you will never ever see huge battles like warhammer offers you.

 Also the game is extremely polished already on retail.