Its like the old skool wow with no resilience, arena, and other crap that ruined PVP in wow.  whats not to like?  There are still avid wow players SCREAMING at blizz to make "classic" servers so they can play at 60 with no resi and crap when the game was still fun. 

But, blizz is set in their ways, unless it turns a dollar so...

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

I for one think WAR is aboslutely NOTHING like WOW apart from the setting (which WOW stole from other games who stole it from JRR TOLKIEN the author of Lord of the RIngs who came up with he entire Orc concept as we know it).

I've been playing WoW for a long time and it's a good game at later levels but WAR is in many respects far superior as far as early game is considered both PvE and PVP. THere's just so much to do, it's just as fun being lvl 1 as it's being lvl 10. In WoW 1-10 is so easy, basic and unimaginative. Even more visibly so now that WAR is out in the open.

WoW has good animations and good instancing/rading, the rest is just meh. Boring. As hell and a grind. WoW's battlegrounds are a cheap way of doing away with world PvP and compared to the number and setup of WAR's Scenarios they are a joke and a disgrace. It's 100000 times more fun to play WAR's scenarios than WOW's battleground and dont start saying otherwise cause it's BS. WOW's plentiful CC and losing control of your character all the time is NO FUN. They even had to put items into the game that break those effects, well why not get rid of them n the first place? Because that's how WOW combat is built and I dont like it one bit.

Also, all that's been said about COMBAT being sluggish, cranky, slowish and out of sync and GRAPHICS being ugly i some areas is by now INVALID.
The latest patch fixed 99% of the issues, Graphics look great on high-end PCs, combat is smooth, linked well between characters, and animations play correctly as well, mob pathing is much improved. I'm having 100% more fun with WAR now after the patch, and I'm having a blast.

Scenarios have been changed as well in terms of animations, usualy the framrate for npcs and pcs goes down the further away they get to help mass world RVR. In scenarios however there's a limited number of players and Mythic apprently recognised that, and all animations are nice and smooth no matter how far away you are.

I won't list the many reasons why WAR is nothing like WOW because it's been done so many times before and this post is long enough.

BTW, did you know that WOW is a complete ripoff EQ1 and all the MMOs that came before it? They just took the best concepts and improved. That's how MMOs are done, live with it.

Originally posted by Dreizack1

I've been waiting for WAR for years and I was really excited when I was able to get into the open beta.  After downloading 10gb's and installing the game, I have to say it F**cking sucks.

WAR is a WoW clone and a bad one at that, the combat is slower, looting is a pain, the graphics/UI are the same and it's just plain boring.  I'm not a big fan of WoW either, but I would much rather play it than spend anymore time in an unimaginative clone MMO with no innovation. 

I quit AoC in preperation for WAR, that was a bad move, even with all it's flaws AoC is still much better than WAR.  I'm going to resub to AoC and just wait for all the people who jumped to WAR to come back after their 30 day sub is up. 

God people are fuckin stupid. Not even gonna point out how retarded u are. anywayz back to WAR weeee

Originally posted by Dreizack1

WAR is a WoW clone and a bad one at that, the combat is slower, looting is a pain, the graphics/UI are the same and it's just plain boring.  I'm not a big fan of WoW either, but I would much rather play it than spend anymore time in an unimaginative clone MMO with no innovation. 

 

 I not flaming the game, I personally like it WAR. But it is more like WAR is a Better WOW clone without auto-attack. WAR does have a Auto-Attack button, Toggle it on, you auto-attack, Toggle off you stop auto-attack. I think the tactical useage for it is while its on, you can move and auto-attack your target and keeping a high rate of DPS, but you lose Action Points for every Auto-attack thrown, thus eating up your action bar faster. Not sure on it, I played with it a bit , but my Shadow warrior is too low level to for me to  notice a diffirents.

however,WAR should apply WOW-like Combat Macros into the game. Characters with Stances, Build-up, and Pet  Mechanics will really benefit from this. Example, The shadow warriors macros that allows a Hotkey Bar change as it shifts into a diffirent stance, Like the warrrior from Wow.

Originally posted by hauj0bb

Originally posted by templarga

Seriously, did you even play the game?

Looting is a pain? WHAT?

Wow, trolls are really scared of WAR I guess.

This post gets a 10 for most un-imaginative troll post today. Congrats!!

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But to address your points:

1. Not a WOW clone. This has been debated time and time again and I am not going to rehash the argument. if you think its a WOW clone, then you are simply blind and so short-sighted that you cannot see the differences.

You sir, are the blind and short-sighted. WAR is in fact an even more uninspiring adaptation of WoW for several reasons.

1.  Mindless, uncreative and simplified questing system. Kill 10 rats and return to me for 2 cp.

2. Linear character creation & customization systems; everyone looks the same.

3. Scenario's *cough* Battlegrounds are a complete rip from WoW in terms of objectives and premise.

4. Mindless solo-oriented PvE gameplay; dumbed down gameplay, extremely accessible. If someone were to write the book "MMORPG's For Dummies", the extent of the content would amount to "Play World of Warcraft or Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning".

5. Generic button smash hack n' slash combat; 4, 6, 2, 1

WAR = WoW with less content, and DAoC's RvR system re-engineered with less nuts and bolts.

 

2. Combat is slower but it is strategic and requires tactics. Sorry I guess you are better suited for a game where you just spam (ummm?) attacks. Combat in Age of Conan was boring as hell - it was reduced to one of about 6 buttons, you just mix up the order.

Strategic and tactical, seriously? Take a look at your chat log, player-to-player communication in WAR is almost non-existent. To look at the bigger picture here, Mythic got probably the most important element to a combat-centric MMOG completely wrong; characters don't feel powerful, or that they're making a difference in PvP situations.

3.Looting is a pain? Um, I have no idea what you mean...clicking your mouse is a pain?

Agreed.

4. Graphics are the same as to what? WOW? Not that is funny. If you say they are the same, you need to compare it to SOMETHING.

Agreed.

Fine go back to Funcom and continue to be lied too and play a game full of half-fulfilled promises.

 

In all seriousness, WAR is a disgrace to the MMOG genre, and mythic should be ashamed that they're releasing this garbage. What's even more frustrating is that the community continues to accept garbage like this as being "good", and because of that companies like EA will continue selling us this garbage if we don't stand up and start saying no. Aren't you guys tired of playing the same damn game over and over again? Aren't you all tired of the same recycled idea's?

What happend to the creativity in games? Games used to be an artform, now it's all about competing with World of Warcraft. We're closing in on 2009, but yet we're still seeing the same techology and architecture being used from 1999 .. that's almost 10 years!

What's happend here?

Why must we continuously take the easiest and less thought-provoking way out?

How did we come from complex and immersive online virtual worlds like UO, EQ, and DAoC, to mind numbing easy-mode experiences? Doesn't that seem ass-backwards?

"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." - Michelangelo Buonarroti

"We're pissed because we've been in the mmo world long enough to know what a good mmo is, AND WE WANT TO PLAY ONE AGAIN, but mmo devs keep pushing trash out the door." - mmorpg.com poster

Its really simple actually.. their main aim isnt to make a creative or innovative game its just to get a big market share which is the mmo market.. if through their research of the mmo market they realise that the BIG portion of the consumers DEMAND something totally creative and innovative.. they WILL create that.. but ATM theres no sign pointing in that direction (look at wow) .. but i wont say thats the only reason for their large number of subs.. can be due to alot of factors but thats another topic for another day....

i feel that big mmo companies have a VERY LOW chance to want to take such a big risk to create something totally new.. because they have much more to lose if it fails (take along the lines of the major shareholders in any huge company.. would  u want that company to take unneccessary risk when theres a little to no risk option and u can still make money?).. to them its always the safer the better.. i think its safe to say that most of the time if u want something really new and creative u gotta look at the small indie companies well because these are people who have much less to lose IN TERMS of the amount of money lost  .. and the people who invested in them know the risk and would mostly invest less .. and the amount of investment i feel is very impt because its where new companies get their funds for all their operations.. rents, pay their workers.. equipment.. so if u have very little people choose to invest in ur new little company that is going to produce an mmo your gonna get little funds to start with which means u are gonna be very disadvantaged.. and this is especially true in the mmo market when there are BIG DOMINANT players like blizzard or NCsoft or SOE to name a few...

then u ask why? why are the indie companies so keen to make new and creative stuff.. and thats because if they are gonna make a profit from making a MMO iit would be totally dumb for them to copy those big name games and make a "new" game.. why would anyone wanna pay for a LOW-budget WoW when theres a better higher budget WoW out there? So they need to make something totally new , being creative and innovative is i would say THE ONLY advantage they have against the big companies.. whether or not they will survive will just depend on how many people buying their game..

So if ur one of those people that really want a new and creative game.. theres a few scenarios that i can think of for that to happen.. 1: the MAJORITY of players stop paying for any crap(not pointing fingers) that any big company come out with and start demanding something ToTALLY new.. 2:Investment pattern changes and rich investors suddenly LOVE to take risk and start investing in new small companies..

Originally posted by teknician

People didn't leave AoC for WAR, they just left AoC.

LOL

lmao this guy is funny as hell , you must be playing a different game becuase the only thing in WAR that is like WoW is the UI and thats it , the graphic arent cartoony like WoW , try playing the game for more than 5-10 minutes before you judge it

Well, I for one think WAR is much more enjoyable than WoW, but I never got fond with that MMORPG anyways. The longest I played was 2 consecutive weeks.

MMO ganstaz

These niggaz be comin' into my hood, disrespectin' us, se we gonna kill 'em.

These muthafukaz think they can take shit in on, how we have like to play a game with a similar setting as wow.

we gonna kill 'em

These low down, dirty muthafukaz think they have the Right to talk trash on us when they play AO-MUTHAFUCKIN-C, one of todays worst and most dissapointing mmo's in the genra's history.

What do you think we're gonna do?

WE GONNA KILL EM

W-A-R REPAZENT

...There really isn't any point to this post.

 EDIT: There were some gangsta spelling errors I have to correct.

Originally posted by Dreizack1

WaR is going to be a bigger failure than Hellgate London.  Imagine all the mindless idiots out there that play WoW, do you think they are going to leave to play a game that is just a shittier version of the game they currently play?  Why leave WoW to play WoW 2.0 when WoW 2.0 is worse than the original?  Face it WaR is going to be a flop just like EA's other MMO Hellgate London. 

WAR isnt really aiming for the same players as wow. It might totaly kill of DAOC nad will proabably get quite a few new players that never played MMOs together with some players from many other games.

I don't see it failing as bad as Hellgate, that was not a true MMO at all. I don't se it taking down wow either, wows graphic style appeals to a different group of players than Wars. Wow is cute and have many younger players and female gamers, 'war is grittier and looks very different.

But it is true that the interface and the combat is a ripp-off. Wow did the same thing with Everquest however, the game industry works a bit like the pop music bussiness, if something sells well than most people rip it off. Is few games on the market today that ain't a ripp from something else, Eve and we hope for Biowares upcomming and "world of darkness online".

*Starts to do a Warhammer dance as the time draws nigh for head-start and release, but finds that he simply refuses to dance..* WAAAAAAAGHHHHH!!!!

Originally posted by Black_Elvis

Its like the old skool wow with no resilience, arena, and other crap that ruined PVP in wow.  whats not to like?  There are still avid wow players SCREAMING at blizz to make "classic" servers so they can play at 60 with no resi and crap when the game was still fun. 

 

But, blizz is set in their ways, unless it turns a dollar so...

 

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

Actually, I have to jump in here. I hate WoW, but Blizzard is the god of PC gaming. Really. Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo, the greatest titles to have ever graced a PC came from Blizzard.

Few bugs, decent graphics so you can run games on lower-end systems, gameplay that puts other game's to shame, scripts and dialogue that just rules, and in-depth storylines. Yeah. Blizzard rocks.

That having been said, WoW was great, when I first played it. After discovering the staggering amount of homersexuals on there, I decided that playing an Orc wasnt so fun anymore. WAR will be greater than WoW, regardless of what-ripped-off-of-what.

The reason is simple - Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

Is this thread number 1,000,010 about this same tired subject?

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Dreizack1

WaR is going to be a bigger failure than Hellgate London.  Imagine all the mindless idiots out there that play WoW, do you think they are going to leave to play a game that is just a shittier version of the game they currently play?  Why leave WoW to play WoW 2.0 when WoW 2.0 is worse than the original?  Face it WaR is going to be a flop just like EA's other MMO Hellgate London. 

WAR isnt really aiming for the same players as wow. It might totaly kill of DAOC nad will proabably get quite a few new players that never played MMOs together with some players from many other games.

I don't see it failing as bad as Hellgate, that was not a true MMO at all. I don't se it taking down wow either, wows graphic style appeals to a different group of players than Wars. Wow is cute and have many younger players and female gamers, 'war is grittier and looks very different.

But it is true that the interface and the combat is a ripp-off. Wow did the same thing with Everquest however, the game industry works a bit like the pop music bussiness, if something sells well than most people rip it off. Is few games on the market today that ain't a ripp from something else, Eve and we hope for Biowares upcomming and "world of darkness online".

WoW is cute? I've seen much cuter stuff that makes WoW look like a middle aged man.

Originally posted by Vonbek

Originally posted by teknician

People didn't leave AoC for WAR, they just left AoC.

LOL

LOL

posting in a thread

if you guys run out of opinions feel free to contact me

Must be the same guy who wrote that Warcry review, played all of 3 levels.....

WoW has a 1.5 sec GCD, WAR has a 1.4 sec GCD. Not sure why you think WAR's is slower, it just takes longer to kill people since you can't lock them down with CC.

AOC was more of a WoW clone than WAR is as well. Both are games where you level up via PvE quests until you hit end game and raid and do instanced PvP(yes sieges are instanced too, like doing an original AV). If you ported WoWs graphics/combat system into AC you would have the exact same game.

WAR might have copied the combat system but the core gameplay mechanics are completely different. The things I do while I play WAR are nothing like what I did in WoW for most of my time (RvR and PQs). AOC felt like I was playing WoW with a crappier combat system (yes DDR style combat was just boring as heck and far too simplistic).

Oh yeah what about the looting is bad, you click someonthing and click loot. There is no auto loot but I'm sure you'll be able to mod that. Maybe explain this complaint more because it makes no sense to me the way you stated it.

What a failure post. 0% troll originality. Same stuff over and over and people still fall for it.

This is the reason I don't come here anymore because of ass-hats like the OP.

MMORPG forums are no longer a place to share your gaming experience with others, it's where you come to ARGUE! I hate arguing, I'm convinced I'm having FUN so I don't have to ARGUE for nothing :P

Originally posted by Dreizack1

I've been waiting for WAR for years and I was really excited when I was able to get into the open beta.  After downloading 10gb's and installing the game, I have to say it F**cking sucks.

WAR is a WoW clone and a bad one at that, the combat is slower, looting is a pain, the graphics/UI are the same and it's just plain boring.  I'm not a big fan of WoW either, but I would much rather play it than spend anymore time in an unimaginative clone MMO with no innovation. 

I quit AoC in preperation for WAR, that was a bad move, even with all it's flaws AoC is still much better than WAR.  I'm going to resub to AoC and just wait for all the people who jumped to WAR to come back after their 30 day sub is up. 

I smells another Darkfall troll.