Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.

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I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.

If I get this correctly, you are going to stick around telling people why you don't like the game and pointing it out it's flaws, even though the so called fanboy vets already know anout these quite well and discuss them quite heavily on their own forums anyway, because there NEEDS to be someone on the opposite to debate?

Really? You will spend your energy and intelligence actually looking at a game and decipering it's shortcomings because you don't like it? You take no joy in playing it anymore, so what is exactly your point? And to say that it's to bring balance to the fanboism is retarded. Why is it retarded, because games are meant to be enjoyed and when you enjoy something you obviously become attached and will defend it. Does that mean it will blind you to what is wrong with the game, with what could be added and make it better? No. There's no need for your yin to their yan, if the game was that terrible you'd see a lot more hate posts and this game would not have come back to life twice. Someone seems to think it's a pretty good game in a pretty good shape and rather unique, otherwise no one in their right mind would have poured any money into it, again.

If you don't see that please visit old posts on the official and weigh in all the years of frustration the fans have gone through. Love posts? Promotion? Well hell yeah, when your game of choice sees next to no marketing for years by their owners then the fans do have to spread the love themselves. MMORPG.com forums are not where the meat of the Ryzom conversations take place, but I have a feeling you know that already...

Now that I've said all that let me state before I am attacked with the obvious, that I do not believe in masking the truth, in fans only allowing themselves to worship their games, heck no that doesn't do anyone any good. You need to criticize, argument and give ideas for things to progress, however I expect that from people who actually have an interest in the game and want to see it succeed. Otherwise it's not worth a whole lot.

Now if I misunderstood your intent and you actually want to play Ryzom in the future but with a few things adjusted, then I'll retract most of what I said, however if you're just getting off on disagreeing with people for the sake of it, like it seems, get a healthier pass time.

Sincerely.

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Ryzom has a lot of great pieces, but they just don't seem to fit well together at first glance. I bet if I was willing to give it a little longer I could start to overlook some of it's flaws. It's certainly not the complexity that turns me off though. I've gone back to anarchy online and am having a blast starting fresh there. If they are going to promote this game as a sandbox design the world needs to make some kind of sense, but it doesn't.

Whether it's free or not I don't care. At this point, I'd give someone $30/month for a decent MMO.

Originally posted by khartman2005

NOT.. it is NOTHING like pre cu SWG..  that is probably the most insane post I have ever read.

Actually, yeah, it kind of is.  In fact, it might be the closest crafting mechanic to SWGs I've found in the years since I fled the flaming wreckage of that game.  Materials quality + crafting skill = variable quality goods.  Instead of 1 iron ingot + 1 wooden pole = mace.  So, yeah, kinda.

Actually I still have Ryzom on my computer from before it closed down.  I did like the game and the community, but will not play the game (and will not give them money) until the new company comes out and tells us who they are.  There are companys I will not give money to.  Why are they hiding it?

Originally posted by redavni

 If they are going to promote this game as a sandbox design the world needs to make some kind of sense, but it doesn't.

Whether it's free or not I don't care. At this point, I'd give someone $30/month for a decent MMO.

I'm not sure where you feel the world doesn't make sense? Back in the day when they had the lore section on the website there was a very comprehensive time line that helped the new player understand the history of the planet, or rootball :) , with marked events on it, you could look up info on the races and religions too. All together I find the story and world to be very complex and different. I think different is the key word here.

There may be a few things in the lore that need tweaking to flow better with the rest of the story, but other then that I don't see what you are referring to? ;)

Originally posted by Cynthe

I'm not sure where you feel the world doesn't make sense? Back in the day when they had the lore section on the website there was a very comprehensive time line that helped the new player understand the history of the planet, or rootball :) , with marked events on it, you could look up info on the races and religions too. All together I find the story and world to be very complex and different. I think different is the key word here.

There may be a few things in the lore that need tweaking to flow better with the rest of the story, but other then that I don't see what you are referring to? ;)

It shouldn't be necessary to read the background of a world to become immersed in it. All I need is a few cues to understand how to infer who these people around me are, and why they are here. All I saw was an awful race selection which included 3 different philosophies, none of which I identified with, and the fact that I made this long journey to this newbie camp for some unlikely reason. Lacking any reason why I would care to develop my character at all I find out I can't even explore the world, and perhaps discover a reason to care myself. I'm stuck on this island in the middle of somewhere. It's like they made every effort to make the new player experience as boring as possible.

I agree that the explanation of Silan isn't too great, especially in the light that there existed other newbie areas in each of the race's regions. But if you read the tutorial they tell you that the Kitins once invaded Atys because the Fyros poked around a cave looking for a dragon and brought out the Kitins instead. Well I don't remember if they mention the dragon but that's what they were looking for.

The kitins went and destroyed the major cities and the homins retreated in the Prime Roots, or in a portion of it. Silan is somewhere between the roots and the surface of Atys, the canopy? See I'm not even wholly sure myself and I've read the tutorial, there's a lot of holes that need to be filled you have me disagree on that. :)

If the races doesn't appeal to you then probably you'll have a hard time getting into Atys at all since most of the 'story' revolves around these homins and their interaction with the kitins, their religions and each other. I'd like if they added more lore, and NPC's that would explain it better and fill in the gaps, and Silan needs to humm tweaked a bit. I hope they don't bring in retarded kill ten yubos quests all over the place, they should be cooler then that and maybe place in a historian or story teller in each city that can recount that race's past, heck maybe they even have one already I haven't got that far yet.. ;)

Originally posted by Cynthe

they should be cooler then that and maybe place in a historian or story teller in each city that can recount that race's past, heck maybe they even have one already I haven't got that far yet.. ;)

That was the reason of the enciclopedia quests and rites. Each chapter was meant to describe everything of the world: homins, animals, stories from the lore.

Unfortunately only few of them are available actually.

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Originally posted by Kaiserjager
 
Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.
It is nice to make ad hominem attacks in order to discredit the postion and I suspect many will applaud you for it. However I disagree with the claim that Ryzom offers freedom, it offers limitations just like any other game albeit of the different type. I am also quite certain that is what the fans don't want to hear as it is much more pleasant to beleive that fualt lies with other players while Ryzom fans are freedom loving consumers of higher order.
Thank you for the assesment and I will return in kind. My guress is that a group of Ryzom fans is ticked off at negative comments aimed at their game of choice and they are trying to get back at those who made them by accusing them of trolling and flaming.
I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.

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Hello again (and again), Kaiser. :)

1. Two weeks is nowhere near enough. But that's my opinion, and you'll no doubt disagree.

2. I'm still waiting for you to contact me in game so I can show you some of the really fun things you can do. The offer stands, permanently. For now, it doesn't cost anything but a little of your time.

3. While I certainly appreciate that Ryzom is far from perfect, and would love to see even a few of the changes players have been requesting for years, I do really enjoy it even as it is. I have no issue with you discussing shortcomings, and in some of your posts you have even mentioned things that you like. However, over time and many posts your overall approach seems like an intentional campaign to drive business away from the game, and yes, many will see that as an attack, not constructive criticism. If your attacks prevent some people from even trying the game, and even one of those people would otherwise have loved it and become a valued and loved member of our community, then you have harmed us all.

So, I ask you why you return over and over to repeat the same things? What grudge do you hold?

For the record:
* Ryzom is not perfect, it has some bugs and some features most players would like to see added to it.
* Ryzom is probably best defined as a "niche" game, not a mass-appeal game.
* Ryzom has many missions (quests) but they are not obvious and do not give the sorts of rewards found in some other MMO games.
* Ryzom can feel like an endless grind if your focus is on increasing your character's skill levels at the highest possible speed.
* Ryzom does not offer every feature which has ever appeared in an MMO game, so your favorite feature may not be there.
* If you come to Ryzom with a predetermined set of expectations you may find that it doesn't meet all of those expectations.
* Ryzom is not well suited to proving that you are "better" than someone else.

* If you approach the game with the idea that you will see if you can enjoy what it does offer, you may find that you do.
* If you are of a temperament to patiently explore, discover, experiment, and participate, you will be more likely to enjoy it than if you have a temperament to compete, to go alone, to focus on bending things to your will. Not 100%, but more likely.
* Not every person is looking for the sort of experience that Ryzom, in its current form, offers. Many are not. Some are.

Now, to go back to the original intent of this thread, not everyone is "on this" because it isn't famous, it doesn't appeal to everyone, the number of available accounts is limited, though it grows every day, and to some small extent because some people go out of their way to discourage others from trying it.

I hope many of you reading this will give it a shot, though. Some of you will like it.

Originally posted by Calintz333

Because free 2 play means free to start playing and once ur into it around half way up the levels it turns into 20-30 bucks a month to get anything done. So that Free 2 play game just forces you to depend on a item mall to progress because all of them have to make money some how, Sure there maybe ways to do it without the cash shop thats an old argument bottom line if u dont use it after a certain level in EVERY free 2 play game you cant compete and you cant succeed.

You really need to do some research . Ryzom does not have an item mall . Only Korean games have that for the most part and Ryzom is not an Asian game. But trust me you would not like it because it actually makes you have to use your brain which from your post clearly proved you have no brain.

Originally posted by Sourajit

Saga Of Ryzom is now free to play and before this happened I tried the game. Somehow the game felt weird and I felt out of place. The skill system is a bit complicated and to develop a good skill it takes a lot of experimenting. I could not find a way to get away from the starting place and more so it was difficult to spot NPC?s. Back in 2004 when it was pay to play I tried the trial and the same feelings came in. Surely with the Atlantica Online, WAR and other betas I have no time to give it a shot. But once I am done I will surely take a look and see if the game is enjoyable.

so you are 12 yrs old right?

That would explain a lot

@Wrender:

You've necroed an old thread that was probably better left for dead.

Just to sum up the whole thing:

• Ryzom is only temporarily free, and will soon go back to some form of Pay-to-Play system, according to the new owners.
• Some people have tried it and really liked it.
• Other people have tried it and didn't like it.
• Some people communicate less clearly than others in written form, but berating them in public rarely helps.

Hopefully this thread will now resume its long journey toward page 2 and beyond.

Here's my take on things.  Ryzom is different...it doesn't hold your hand, lead you around by the nose, pat you on the head and give you a cookie.

It is a challenging game where YOU make the decisions on what your main character will be, and what skills that character will have.   It is not predetermined for you.   It leaves that up to you.   Yes its an old game, I have an account that  dates back to Nov 2004. 

The game is NOT f2p in the sense that there will be malls demanding real money for items to help your character to progress and compete.   It is free to play ...FOR THE TIME BEING, til the new owners get the billing system up and running, and after they do what they deem they need to do with the game to either fix or update it or whatever they are planning.

It is NOT a rubbish game, it may be "rubbish" in some folks' eyes because ..its challenging, and most new to the scene gamers that I have met, tend to want the easy way out, challenge is a foreign word to them.  So therefore a game like Ryzom...which IS a challenging game..challenging you to do your best to succeed at what YOU WANT TO DO within the game.   It challenges you to think.....and make decisions.  

Personally I loved the changing seasons in the game...and they actually do change...first game ever that has done this,  I have been gaming since about 1995 or 96....never seen that before.   So even though its an "old" game, it has some innovative things in it.

The AI for the mobs is interesting too, ...these game animals don't just stand around and wait for you to come kill them.   They migrate...and they might hunt you down too...reversing the tables. hehe

I read this thread pretty much all the way through, and I think that those that haven't gamed for very long, would come to the conclusion that the "game is rubbish" because....all they know is that Blizzard game,  where everything always falls into place and you are always rewarded for doing the slightest little action.

Ryzom isn't like that...its not quest based, only the trial area has quests...mainland is much different.   Its a living world...a root ball. :)

I guess Ryzom appeals more to the roleplayer than anything else, it really  is a living breathing world that you can immerse yourself in...and possibly forget what time it is.    I know..I have done that. :)

There are mulitple and myriad skills to learn..each one with a skill cap of 250 points.   There are so many things to learn in this game, it boggles the mind.   Far as I know..from listening to the elders talk, noone has ever accomplished learning all there is to know in Ryzom and thereby "beating the game".

Seeing as that seems to be the mentality out there today,  "beating the game".....I guess Ryzom would not be attractive to those that want to be able to say...I beat the game in 7 days, I beat the game in 24 hours.

Ryzom wasn't meant to be played like that.  :)

Think of it as a never ending story that you can share with a whole community.   The stories (lore) are created by the player community......it is not static, it is living and alive..just like the devoted players who have stuck by this game all this time.  :)

Cend

Originally posted by gillvane1

I downloaded it, ran it, clicked on "create new account" and nothing happened.

That was it for me.

There is a work around for that issue, but since its really in sort of an OPEN beta mode, its best you leave it be.  If you cant create an account the game will just piss you off as it requires 5 brain cells all firing at the same time to pick up the skill system.

Originally posted by Cendharia

Here's my take on things.  Ryzom is different...it doesn't hold your hand, lead you around by the nose, pat you on the head and give you a cookie.

It is a challenging game where YOU make the decisions on what your main character will be, and what skills that character will have.   It is not predetermined for you.   It leaves that up to you.   Yes its an old game, I have an account that  dates back to Nov 2004. 

The game is NOT f2p in the sense that there will be malls demanding real money for items to help your character to progress and compete.   It is free to play ...FOR THE TIME BEING, til the new owners get the billing system up and running, and after they do what they deem they need to do with the game to either fix or update it or whatever they are planning.

It is NOT a rubbish game, it may be "rubbish" in some folks' eyes because ..its challenging, and most new to the scene gamers that I have met, tend to want the easy way out, challenge is a foreign word to them.  So therefore a game like Ryzom...which IS a challenging game..challenging you to do your best to succeed at what YOU WANT TO DO within the game.   It challenges you to think.....and make decisions.  

Personally I loved the changing seasons in the game...and they actually do change...first game ever that has done this,  I have been gaming since about 1995 or 96....never seen that before.   So even though its an "old" game, it has some innovative things in it.

The AI for the mobs is interesting too, ...these game animals don't just stand around and wait for you to come kill them.   They migrate...and they might hunt you down too...reversing the tables. hehe

I read this thread pretty much all the way through, and I think that those that haven't gamed for very long, would come to the conclusion that the "game is rubbish" because....all they know is that Blizzard game,  where everything always falls into place and you are always rewarded for doing the slightest little action.

Ryzom isn't like that...its not quest based, only the trial area has quests...mainland is much different.   Its a living world...a root ball. :)

I guess Ryzom appeals more to the roleplayer than anything else, it really  is a living breathing world that you can immerse yourself in...and possibly forget what time it is.    I know..I have done that. :)

There are mulitple and myriad skills to learn..each one with a skill cap of 250 points.   There are so many things to learn in this game, it boggles the mind.   Far as I know..from listening to the elders talk, noone has ever accomplished learning all there is to know in Ryzom and thereby "beating the game".

Seeing as that seems to be the mentality out there today,  "beating the game".....I guess Ryzom would not be attractive to those that want to be able to say...I beat the game in 7 days, I beat the game in 24 hours.

Ryzom wasn't meant to be played like that.  :)

Think of it as a never ending story that you can share with a whole community.   The stories (lore) are created by the player community......it is not static, it is living and alive..just like the devoted players who have stuck by this game all this time.  :)

Cend

 

 

 

Not to mention the above average user community. Sure they are blowhards like Sunce and others that think the game gives them status etc.... But for the most part, Ive met some super friendly, super helpful folks who just want others to share the game experience with...
 

It is free and once you get the jist of the skill system its really kinda sweet.  The ability to modify stanzas on the go to suit the needs of the moment, man that just rocks.  You configure it, once youve earned it, its like respeccing in wow on the spot. No money just edit the stanza and off you go.... very nice - I cant stress enough how absolutely brilliant the system really is...

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Originally posted by orzo
Sure they are blowhards like Sunce and others that think the game gives them status etc.... But for the most part, Ive met some super friendly, super helpful folks who just want others to share the game experience with...

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Just FYI, Sunce's attitude is (mostly) roleplay for fun and laughs, and he is definitely one of those "super friendly, super helpful folks" you mention.

But for Jena's sake, don't tell him I said so! :D

Originally posted by Sasi

 

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Originally posted by orzo
Sure they are blowhards like Sunce and others that think the game gives them status etc.... But for the most part, Ive met some super friendly, super helpful folks who just want others to share the game experience with...

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Just FYI, Sunce's attitude is (mostly) roleplay for fun and laughs, and he is definitely one of those "super friendly, super helpful folks" you mention.

But for Jena's sake, don't tell him I said so! :D

If someone is that good at roleplaying a bodoc's rear...,well it make's you wonder that's all

Sun ? Roleplaying ? I won't tell him, Sasi... promised. (He might die of laughter... )

Well he IS famous for sure if he even gets mentionned here. People seem to be good at holding grudges rather than getting to know the guy. Believe it or not, behind the ego shield, there is a human being, a silly one, but still a friend. Not as silly as the ones who take everything he says seriously, though. Of course, even I want to whack him around the head with a Giant Najab sometimes, but it's all in good fun.

I'm sorry, but i dont think anyone can roleplay being such a complete arsehole for years without actually being a complete arsehole. I've had him on ignore for about 2 years. but every single forum post he makes and every single time his name comes up its for the same reason i originally blocked him - being an inconsiderate, rude, offensive, arrogant, annoying, childish little boy.

is it flaming if everyone i know agree's with me? possibly, in which case sorry.

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Originally posted by Sherkalyn
Sun ? Roleplaying ? I won't tell him, Sasi... promised. (He might die of laughter... )

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I'm sure he would never admit to being such a thing as a RPer, but playing a role is exactly what he's doing, even if it is similar to the public mask he wears in real life.

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Well he IS famous for sure if he even gets mentionned here.

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Oh crap, that was his intention, and it worked...