I'm glad they didn't give us 100 different classes at launch, the classes we have now are the foundation, every expansion with a new class will be an additive, giving the foundation the support it will need to heed the call from Gondor ! ( oo role play trickling into the forums lol)

As badly as WoW sucks, if you want PvE play WoW... If you want a terribly easy carebear fest play LotRO.

If you want a game with decent PvE and PvP play WAR. LotRO's graphics aren't even that good, the only thing good about the graphics is the sky system, if you took out the sky in LotRO and replaced it with a sky that didn't look as good nobody would say LotRO looks great. They use the same 4 tree models for the whole world, and the grass is lime green.

LotrO community, ... i know real adults playing like, ...wait for it... real adults ...

Originally posted by solareus

I'm glad they didn't give us 100 different classes at launch, the classes we have now are the foundation, every expansion with a new class will be an additive, giving the foundation the support it will need to heed the call from Gondor ! ( oo role play trickling into the forums lol)

The classes were pretty boring, and too bad with every expansion Turbine will continue to destroy the lore and turn the game into a run-of-the-mill ez-mode MMO...  even to the point where people who didn't really care about the Lore in the first place will stand back and say... "this is retarded, what are they doing?"... Rune-keeper, Goats, a bright and friendly Moria (which seems to be nothing but a giant rep-grind dungeon)... what's next? I predict some kind of guns and flying mounts by the end of 2009.

You may not really care about the lore, I sure don't, so maybe this doesn't apply to us... but there are plenty of players who did... and who are really going to freaking hate seeing a bunch of mages running around zapping things with lightning and prancing around in one of the so-called most dangerous places in ME on their pet goats ... but hey, enjoy your nothing-special MMO... the future is definitely not looking brighter.

The classes were pretty boring, and too bad with every expansion Turbine will continue to destroy the lore and turn the game into a run-of-the-mill ez-mode MMO...  even to the point where people who didn't really care about the Lore in the first place will stand back and say... "this is retarded, what are they doing?"... Rune-keeper, Goats, a bright and friendly Moria (which seems to be nothing but a giant rep-grind dungeon)... what's next? I predict some kind of guns and flying mounts by the end of 2009.

 

You may not really care about the lore, I sure don't, so maybe this doesn't apply to us... but there are plenty of players who did... and who are really going to freaking hate seeing a bunch of mages running around zapping things with lightning and prancing around in one of the so-called most dangerous places in ME on their pet goats ... but hey, enjoy your nothing-special MMO... the future is definitely not looking brighter.

The classes are the most defined, balanced, and entertaining of any MMO I've experienced.   I've played them all.    Nothing wrong with adding flying mounts, they were mentioned frequently in the books.  

At least Turbine attempts to make sense with their choices.    Some of these other MMO's you're flying around on pink dragons or riding on spiders.      Endlessly farming faction or rep to enter into end game.   Turbine allows a casual, adult gamer to experience all of LOTRO.

I'm sure LOTRO isn't for everyone, its far more mature, balanced, and subtle than any other MMO out.   If this maturity is what you're missing in the MMO genre, than LOTRO calls.

Well I am not big into PVP so Warhammer does not interest me.  You have to be young and full of testosterone to PVP driven (mostly young males). I guess it's a safer outlet than going at it in the streets. 

I appreciate the older more mature players in LOTRO.  I tried WoW and found the players to be immature brats (my experience for the most part).

Originally posted by logicbox9

Originally posted by solareus

I'm glad they didn't give us 100 different classes at launch, the classes we have now are the foundation, every expansion with a new class will be an additive, giving the foundation the support it will need to heed the call from Gondor ! ( oo role play trickling into the forums lol)

  ez-mode MMO... 

I love the ez mode now that im past needing to own everyone on my screen with pwnfaces. I'm an adult who can appreciate the community aspect of games now, with out having to do a backstab with peerless fists of Oblivions for5000 damage on some noob sitting on the ground lol(and I have lol)...

Thank god for something in life that is ez, lets all get an ale and enjoy our game ! I will pack the first pipe weed bowl first !

Even the younger players are full of joy and adventure, and they are not as annoying as Cs:S kids , and they have manners. Think the one thing that 80% of the LotrO community has that a lot of games lack , is a strong sense of "class"

Originally posted by solareus

I love the ez mode now that im past needing to own everyone on my screen with pwnfaces. I'm an adult who can appreciate the community aspect of games now, with out having to do a backstab with peerless fists of Oblivions for5000 damage on some noob sitting on the ground lol(and I have lol)...

Thank god for something in life that is ez, lets all get an ale and enjoy our game ! I will pack the first pipe weed bowl first !

Even the younger players are full of joy and adventure, and they are not as annoying as Cs:S kids , and they have manners. Think the one thing that 80% of the LotrO community has that a lot of games lack , is a strong sense of "class"

Totally agree. For the most part, the community is great in LOTRO. I am having fun in WAR, but as I stated on another thread, one of the first things I saw in chat (which there is not a lot of going on in WAR) was "you people are too dumb!"

I sighed to myself and thought, well, this is what you'll have to put up with if you intend to play this game.

I finally got to play the WAR beta.  My impressions were mixed.

I tried a human warlock wanna be first.  I really thought the chaos human starter area sucked.  It was bland and cramped.  I also didn't like how my guy played at all.  The windup on his spells was really long, and they lacked impact when they landed.  I also thought surfing around on a big chaos symbol was kind of silly.  The one think I liked about him, oddly, was the utterly sad looking rags that he started in.  He literally looked like a beggar (if a demonically possessed one).  That's about the care and attention I would expect Chaos humans to lavish on a fresh underling.

I was also getting pretty feeble frame-rates due to everyone and their granny choosing some kind of Chaos Human.  There were literally more players than I could count in the newbie zone, all running around like ants.  Chaos indeed.  Decided to try a different starting area.

Figured that ponsy elves would be a really unpopular choice if so many players were going for chaos humans. Also made damn sure I was on a low pop server.   Went with an elf Shadowblade.  To my surprised discovered I was having more fun almost instantly.  Their starting area was more spread out and very pretty.  My character played a lot better, combat was much faster paced. 

The starting area was still crowded as hell, but due to it being more spread out iit didn't hit my framerates as much.  After a while I realized that the shadowblade plays almost exactly like a LoTRO hunter, which for me is a good thing (hunter is about my favorite class among MMOs).  Once I changed areas the game made a much better impression on me.

I would say in summary that if you try WAR and think that it stinks try a different race class combo and see if it improves.  Overall I still like LoTRO a ton better, but I do plan to keep playing WAR at least in the beta.  It's not a bad game at all. I  still haven't decided if I'll play WAR at launch (signs point to no, but I'm only an evening in).

Originally posted by TheChronic

because in lord of the rings online the main focus is not only on war, fighting or combat...

the new hobby system rules and especially for roleplayers who dont like to fight or quest all the time, its really refreshing and something else beside combat... (not to mention the amazing music system in lord of the rings online) 

if I played warhammer online yet?

hell yeah, my beta client worked finally today after days, the game seems to be okay, but after 3 hours I wanted to login back to lord of the rings online again..

I played already minstrel, lore-master and weaponmaster and am having a blast with my today started guardian...

I suggest everyone to give lord of the rings online ago, its really a great game...

the only minus of lord of the rings online is the pvp, its not as deep as other mmos, but still okay..

just my 2 cents.

 

No, I don't think it is 'better'.
 

It is Lord of the Rings, but a standard design MMORPG.

Warhammer is PvP focused all the way.  Different game design.

Why does one have to be 'better' than the other?

Both are good.  Just intended for different audiences.

Play what you like.

And let others play what they like.
In peace.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

For PVE Ill agree LOTRO is a Great game. Loved its pve... however as a PVP game LOTRO is horrible. WAR far out classes it in the pvp genre.

 

So... if you want pve Do lotro, if you want pvp do WAR... pretty simple there.

Agree. Im gonna play both. I think they are great games both. But its a little silly to compare the games like the OP did. Its like comparing apples and bananas. Two different things. LotRO is mainly a Pve based game(I love the Pve Questing in LotRO), with monster play as the pvp part of the game. WAR is focusing on RvR(great stuff!), but still got pretty decent Pve quests(not to bad). I think playing them both they will complement each other pretty good.

LotRO for the little longer playing sessions and WAR for the quick battles in my case. WARs Scenarios and Public quests are great if you only get 20-40 minutes to play a busy day. Sure there will be days when I play WAR for hours and hours on a end too, but its great with the flexibility.

Dont know really when this whole trend started, when people have the need to compare the shit out of things. Everything got its good sides and bad sides. It doesnt always have to be a winner and a loser. If i can play two mmorpgs and love them both, well aint that great.

LOTRO vs. WAR is a matter of taste; both games do a good job at what they are trying to be, but they are trying to be two completely different things.

WAR is about...WAAAGH!!!  It is about kiling NPCs, PCs, and everything else that moves.  It was designed to cut down on everything that might distract from that, and Mythic did an excellent job creating a game that does just that.  As soon as you create a character and get to the starting zone you are in the middle of war and can start fighting.  There are almost no areas where there is nothing to kill and you can jump into PvP at level 1.  If what you like most about MMOs is killing then this is the game for you.

LOTRO is about drawing you into a different world.  It is about developing a story line and making you feel like you are part of it.  Turbine has done an excellent job doing that.  The quest are fantastic and the world feels huge.  This is an RPers dream game.

My tastes lie with option 2, I like to RP and LOTRO is a much better game for it.  But just because I prefer LOTRO I am not going to say that WAR is a bad game, because WAR is a very good game.  The OB in NA is better than almost any other MMO launch, it is incredibly stable and I have even had some fun PvPing.

If you are reading these forums trying to decide what game is best for you; I suggest you try them both and decide for yourself because they are both great games that are going to appeal to very different interests and only you are going to be able to tell which one if for you.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

I tried both games, and both games kept me entertained for the same small amount of time. I didn't find either game overly appealing.

     LoTRO is fun for about 4-6 weeks......WARhammer will be fun for a much longer period of time.....

  I played LotRO for about the first 8 months it was released but in the end got bored with my Guardian and Ministrel character and only really logged on to  play my Creep (alot more fun killen players in your guild) .  It was a fun game but  couldnt really hold my attention for long.  I know  I cant wait to play in acouple more days when i can actually keep my character. 

I got boared of War yesterday , waiting for qqueues and over repeative gameplay sencerio as well as the unbalanced classes become very annoying.

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

I'm currently downloading LotRO for the 7 days trial. Have been playing WoW since the start and was really looking forward to Warhammer. But after 10 days of playing, i was very disepointed... I know it's a PVP game even if it got tons of lore from the Warhammer universe so i have potential of beeing a good PVE. I just coulden't stand the horrible interface, the (imo)  bad design and the boring quests. I hate the quests the most because most missions i played where so... I don't know, simple and it really doesn't feel like the developers have tried to make the quests feel fun at all. Just tried to make them a bit unique (failed). Like that cannon thing you can shoot in the biggining. Holy crap that sucked bad...

Anyways. I'm really hoping for LotRO. And please have a nice interface... (Why can't more MMOs have  a interface like Lineage II. I have still not found any better. Simple and good looking.)

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

 

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

I think Solareus was also getting at the fact you log in and pay to spend countless hours waiting before actually being able to do something.

And i for one agree with Solareus when it comes to LotRo, the PvP system in that was and still is very good. I quit the game 6+ months ago due to the rest of the game being boring, but i spent a fair few hours in the Ettenmoors as a freep and say with all honesty that it's the best instanced PvP zone i've ever played.  It's enthralling, it's Exciting, it's all out action and finally it kept me going and wanting more even though i usually hate PvP in any form.

i played warhammer i played LOTRO and personaly i love LOTRO due to all the stuff you can do on there. and it is a bit more out of the box then warhammer..when i play warhammer i feel like im playing a pvp version of WoW lol. Atlease LOTRO there is a dif feel to it..pluse making up your own sonds rock lol..never gets old

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

Being a creep is more fun that anything I've tried in WAR. and with LotRO the battle area is constant , you don't wait for for a queue as well as the battles are more intense then just trying to capture a flag. In LotRO you seiging a keep and it is a lot more dynamic then WAR imo

 

You need to play WAR more than 10 minutes.  Yes, there are scenarios and they are mostly capture the flag at low levels, but there are also open RvR areas where the battles are constant.  It does take at least 30 min to get to the first one though; you might want to log in and look for it.

 

I think Solareus was also getting at the fact you log in and pay to spend countless hours waiting before actually being able to do something.

And i for one agree with Solareus when it comes to LotRo, the PvP system in that was and still is very good. I quit the game 6+ months ago due to the rest of the game being boring, but i spent a fair few hours in the Ettenmoors as a freep and say with all honesty that it's the best instanced PvP zone i've ever played.  It's enthralling, it's Exciting, it's all out action and finally it kept me going and wanting more even though i usually hate PvP in any form.

I agree that Solareus was implying that you have to spend countless hours waiting before you can do stuff. I was stating that he was absolutely incorrect.
If you get past the starter PvE area (where you can if you want queue up for a scenario), there is non-instanced RvR area that, at least on the 3 different servers I tried, was constantly in a state of battle. Once you have created a character and walked them over there (about 30 min to do this), you can leave them there and always be in an RvR fight without any waiting.
There are a lot of things that can be said about the WAR OB, but if you are going to try and attack it, it least know what you are talking about and don’t make things up.
 

Originally posted by tfox2k1

LOTRO with MOM will be the best PVE experience in any MMO.    LOTRO PVP is great because you're fighting against other players who are not on their PVE characters.  So the endless cycle of nerfing and buffing isn't as dramatic.    LOTRO in fact has the best PVP of any MMO out there.     Because it is seperate.   Turbine needs to just build upon their solid foundation of PVP.

LOTRO is the best MMO out, its a shame more haven't realized this yet. 

 

 

I somewhat agree with your post, but this particular paragraph.... Lol no. Lotro pvp is dreadful, it is tacked on, an afterthought.

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

Originally posted by solareus

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

 

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

 

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

Then this is what you should have said in your first post; I agree, I never developed an attachment to my WAR chars that I have with my LOTRO chars.  And yes, the PvP is WAR is pretty much just a lot of killing back and forth at low level.  At higher levels they do have keeps to defend and siege weapons from what I have heard, never got past level 13 in OB.  But, you really can't claim that there is a lot of waiting around in WAR; there is NO waiting around in WAR, you log in and you start killing and you keep killing til you log out with very little time to relax.  I was on the edge of my seat constantly trying to keep my kill to killed ratio high.

I have no problem with people pointing out factual reasons why WAR doesn't appeal to them.  But sooo many people on this forum seem to attack it for things that just don't acurately describe the game and I don't think it is fair to people who didn't get into OB to make false statements about it when they very well might like the game.

It is definetly not for everyone, and I don't think it will draw many people from LOTRO.  But if someone out there is an avid WoW player and is trying to decide between trying LOTRO and trying WAR; they probably will be happier with WAR.

Originally posted by Kokushibyou

Originally posted by solareus

I did do the open RVR and it was just a gank fest pvp with capture the flag, for ME it just isn't as appealing as a game like Shadowbane or even Lineage 2. For me Lineage 2 is the best pvp game, a game that lets you kill at will but with consequences. War has no consequence for losing in pvp , you just respawn and I find that boring. There was no point in War when my character died and I said "omg" or "G.D. it  !"

 

In lotrO a pve game, when my character dies I feel it, I say "m#@$ f@!$@$r" and "G.D. It"  cause it is very intense to try and level from 1-20 with out dieing as well as getting into some of those big Chapter quests. War just lacks in any dynamic of creating a feeling between you and your character, there was just no connection.

 

Role playing is a big part of creating that ,  I'm Dural son of Aldural , Rider for the Rohirrim. Who are you in war ?

  there is NO waiting around in WAR, you log in and you start killing and you keep killing til you log out with very little time to relax.  I was on the edge of my seat constantly trying to keep my kill to killed ratio high.

You may want to try Rohan Online , same concepts , and it is free :)

I'm a LotRO lifer who spent a year volunteering on the LotROVault, I did everything from quest writeups to ABCs.

I love LotRO.

But, I miss PvP and I will be subbing to WAR for the RvR. I do hope, as LotRO moves closes to the "war zone" that true PvP will be implemented (Just so I can stick to one game to provide me with PvE and PvP).