The Saga of Ryzom

I tried Ryzom back in the day. I don't like the setting at all.

Hehe, i love people going to flame war for a game they didn't liked.

Any game where you are having fun is a good game.

Ryzom is perfect for me, while other titles didn't got my attention. I liked some other title but i cannot play always the same 'soup', without originaly, without 'hearth'. That are most of last releases and will be WAR, a modernized clone of DaoC. That's my opinion.

I never found another living ecosystem in *any* MMo i played that can match Ryzom.

Also, I'm not sure you really know the game, anyway just stay away, we don't need people that love flaming.

It's not worth my time despite the "free".

         Its funny you hear people complain constantly how all the MMOs are too much like WoW/EQ1 then when there is a game different from those people cant handle it saying its too complex or some other lame excuse......We see alot of players in game trying to play Ryzom as if it was WoW....."wheres the dungeons", "i cant do such and such quest", "what level am I", etc etc etc......So many players have had their hand held in MMOs for so long that they cant think on their own anymore......I see alot come into Ryzom thinking they know everything and that they dont have to read the quests or pay attention when other players are giving them advice and they struggle mightily......The game is far from perfect but it is much more challenging than a great majority of MMos......The problem most people will have with Ryzom is you have to work at your skills and there aren't preset classes......A game like Ryzom will probably struggle as P2P because its simply too complex for too many in todays MMO market....The majority want an extremely easy game with uber loot that plays just like WoW does.....

I never played pre-CU SWG, but I heard that comparison very, very often, from newcommers and veterans alike. So no, it's definitely not so crazy.

For those saying that "the game is rubbish and that's why it should remain F2P" I beg you to either inform yourselves about the previous owner's lack of management skills or leave this section of the MMORPG.com boards alone, thank you very much. I doubt it would have raised so quick and so high in the MMORPG.com's rate chart if it was of such a poor quality. Higher than WoW, even with its low population, even with those that didn't really like the game. That tells a lot.

If people want to play WoW or an upgraded re-skin of  WoW, they will find themselves very lost in Ryzom. It is NORMAL. They will probably find out that it isn't the game for them. It is normal as well. I wouldn't be mad at them if they just uninstalled their client and went on with their business. But coming here to say that the game is bad when they just happened to not like it because it didn't fit THEIR definition of what an MMO should be just makes me want to stamp them with a "TROLL" red iron.

Is it normal, doctor ?

The previous two posters have made some very valid points here. The only reason ryzom is currently F2P is because it's in a testing phase clearing out bugs and getting everything running smoothly for the official relaunch (no date on that).

Ryzom is a complicated game and for that reason I love it. The fact that I can edit and create my own skills is brilliant. I'm always adjusting my skills to adopt the current situation. If you don't want to spend the time getting each skill just right for you, you can simply drag and drop the default ones to your skill bar.

As already mentioned the previous owners where... well completely retarded IMO and totally assed up the game. The new owners have done an excellent job so far at not making unrealistic promises and actually getting things done, far quicker than expected.

This thread seems to be full of a lot of flamers, some of which I have seen trolling a lot of other threads. I have seen a lot of new players and tones of positive feed back from them. Ryzom is rising in the ranks of hype on MMORPG.com so the game must be doing something right!

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Lasastard

I think Ryzom is certainly one of the better MMOs. But as others said, it's not going to stay f2p - not for long, anyway.

And the reason why not everybody is "all over this", is that the game is not as intuitive to play as say WoW. You need to read the tutorials to actually understand what you are doing (like creating your own spells and crafting etc). Being a sandbox, it does not tell you how to play per se - which most people expect and want. Also, it has been around for a long time already - many have tested it previously and found it unappealing, or don't care for the art direction, or whatever. Unlike a newly released title, there is simply no hype for ryzom (which is what gets most people to try a game, I suppose).

Personally, I find it refreshing and hope that it will be able to stay afloat this time around.

 

I disagree with the position that Ryzom is one of the better MMOs out there.

While sandbox concept is somewhat murky in its defnition I am not convinced that is a main reason for Ryzom not being a popular choice. From my experience the game shows its age and contains various bugs and issues. I found that the game design is lacking above and beyond customization of skills.

In conclusion my opinion is that Ryzom is avoided due to its shortcommings and not due to it being a sandbox. This is not 2004 any more, if it was the game might have the future but I doubt enough fresh blood will flock to it and keep it afloat.

I think that by now you've made your point abundantly clear: you don't like that game. Others do so why can't you just leave it at that?

In the tread you started about the alleged lack of freedom you accused Ryzom veterans of being smug elitistm so what do you call your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

You apear to have made no effort to understand why certain things in Ryzom work the way they do the mere fact that some of the options available, and they are available, are harder though not impossible. You call things that work as indended bug because you never bothered to find out how they work e.g. the default attack being default. (which btw is what default attacks are for; and special attacks in Ryzom can be set to auto repeat you just need to know how)

Ryzom is different from other MMO's in many many ways this means it's not for everyone, it doesn't have to be. But it does appeal to some people, these people like the freedom, the complex skill system, the crafting and harvesting and the way the world of Atys apears to be alive.

Now you've missed all those things but that's entirely your own fault. My guess is someone either in game or here on the forums ticked you off and now you're trying to get back at the entire Ryzom community by trolling.

Ryzom is clearly not for you Kaizer so leave it to the people who do apreciate it at stop putting it down...

Originally posted by Machieltje

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Lasastard

I think Ryzom is certainly one of the better MMOs. But as others said, it's not going to stay f2p - not for long, anyway.

And the reason why not everybody is "all over this", is that the game is not as intuitive to play as say WoW. You need to read the tutorials to actually understand what you are doing (like creating your own spells and crafting etc). Being a sandbox, it does not tell you how to play per se - which most people expect and want. Also, it has been around for a long time already - many have tested it previously and found it unappealing, or don't care for the art direction, or whatever. Unlike a newly released title, there is simply no hype for ryzom (which is what gets most people to try a game, I suppose).

Personally, I find it refreshing and hope that it will be able to stay afloat this time around.

 

I disagree with the position that Ryzom is one of the better MMOs out there.

While sandbox concept is somewhat murky in its defnition I am not convinced that is a main reason for Ryzom not being a popular choice. From my experience the game shows its age and contains various bugs and issues. I found that the game design is lacking above and beyond customization of skills.

In conclusion my opinion is that Ryzom is avoided due to its shortcommings and not due to it being a sandbox. This is not 2004 any more, if it was the game might have the future but I doubt enough fresh blood will flock to it and keep it afloat.

 

I think that by now you've made your point abundantly clear: you don't like that game. Others do so why can't you just leave it at that?

In the tread you started about the alleged lack of freedom you accused Ryzom veterans of being smug elitistm so what do you call your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

 

You apear to have made no effort to understand why certain things in Ryzom work the way they do the mere fact that some of the options available, and they are available, are harder though not impossible. You call things that work as indended bug because you never bothered to find out how they work e.g. the default attack being default. (which btw is what default attacks are for; and special attacks in Ryzom can be set to auto repeat you just need to know how)

Ryzom is different from other MMO's in many many ways this means it's not for everyone, it doesn't have to be. But it does appeal to some people, these people like the freedom, the complex skill system, the crafting and harvesting and the way the world of Atys apears to be alive.

Now you've missed all those things but that's entirely your own fault. My guess is someone either in game or here on the forums ticked you off and now you're trying to get back at the entire Ryzom community by trolling.

Ryzom is clearly not for you Kaizer so leave it to the people who do apreciate it at stop putting it down...

Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.

It is nice to make ad hominem attacks in order to discredit the postion and I suspect many will applaud you for it. However I disagree with the claim that Ryzom offers freedom, it offers limitations just like any other game albeit of the different type. I am also quite certain that is what the fans don't want to hear as it is much more pleasant to beleive that fualt lies with other players while Ryzom fans are freedom loving consumers of higher order.

Thank you for the assesment and I will return in kind. My guress is that a group of Ryzom fans is ticked off at negative comments aimed at their game of choice and they are trying to get back at those who made them by accusing them of trolling and flaming.

I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.