Originally posted by rikilii

How about some screenshots or videos for those of us not in the beta.

Took a few quick shots in the Empire area to show what the OP was talking about. Using an 8600gt with AA/AF forced at 4x.

Originally posted by onlinenow225

Originally posted by Blodpls

Is there a good game in there as well if I look hard enough?

 

Can you define your self what a "good" game is to you and ill answer your question.

 

But from that responce i take it you want a Sanbox game.  Good luck there will never be a good sandbox game.

Thats the past, and is the past for a reason.

Why do people keep saying that if you don't like WAR go back to WoW or wait for a good sandbox.

There are so many reasons to not like WAR, but like other non-wow non-sandbox games.

Combat? Lock target auto aim is definetly not the best, but Mythic is too chicken to risk developing their own. THe response time in combat is too slow and feels clunky.

Classes diversity is horrible. Basically almost every class has half of his abilities to add some points, and other half to spend these points. That's boring and stupid and it means to mindlessly button smash all the time. Where are responsive actions? Like attacks that triggers when you dodge, or when you critically hit, or when you press your abilities in certain order to make a combination.

PvP RvR whatever is all about waiting in the queue and then fightning in the same instanced small zone for about 10 minutes. World PvP? .. fanboys keep saying it's gonna improve during later levels. Noone fought in open zone in CB during the period when everyone got level 31 character. Some factions are absolutely inbalanced in popularity. Dwarves against orcs. On every realm, there will be much more orcs than Dwarves. The bar will be red all the time.

I better not mention graphics quality and the irritating opening music in main menu.

Originally posted by kaydinv

Originally posted by Endlos

Originally posted by kaydinv

Good luck there will never be a good sandbox game.

Thats the past, and is the past for a reason.

 

It's the past because people like you gobble up MMORPG's that lack any depth whatsoever and all you care about is "winning." You don't even want a "game," you just want an interactive movie that yells "Great Job" every now and then so you can feel like you've accomplished something in life.

I will make this clear, you will probably enjoy WAR and so will a lot of people. People will enjoy a sandbox MMORPG more if they ever get the chance to play one and actually take the time to do it.

 

Spore is that way ------->

Have fun with the DRM though, I hear it's pretty nasty.

 

Wow, aren't you clever? Unfortunately, Spore is not an MMORPG. What's more unfortunate is that you know that, you just couldn't come up with anything smart to say. I guess that happens when the type of games you enjoy are shallow and lack any sort of challenge.

Stop talking in circles so much, you're making me dizzy.

Since when does challenge have anything do with a sandbox approach to gaming?  I thought the two were mutually exclusive, since balance is pretty hard to obtain when a player can do almost anything he or she wants.

Moreover, what larger challenge could there be than something that is heavily based around competing against other thinking, living, human beings rather than a predictable and exploitable AI script?

You seem to be trolling two separate ideas at the same time, that don't exactly gel with each other:

"War sucks because it has restrictions."

"War sucks because it's easy."

Learning how to operate and succeed within your limits is usually a more challenging aspect to, well, pretty much anything in life.

That's why all sorts of professional (and unprofessional) sports are hugely popular.  Games like War aren't all that far removed from them: the main drive is the thrill of competition, a team or individual doing what it can to the best of its ability to overcome someone else trying to do the same thing.

Competitive gaming is like that, just,  you know, without the glamor.

Or the money.

Or the fame.

Or the human-social interaction.

Or the significantly higher start-up costs.

Or the risk of permanent injury or death.

Or the risk of being exposed to direct sunlight.

...anyway, you get a more focused competition by having clearly designed and stated rules that everyone has to follow.  It's two entirely different flavors of the same hobby.  Just because you don't like getting your ass kicked because you suck at something doesn't immediately make it terrible for anyone else to enjoy it, just like people that are less creative don't magically suck at life compared to an artist.

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by onlinenow225

Originally posted by Blodpls

Is there a good game in there as well if I look hard enough?

 

Can you define your self what a "good" game is to you and ill answer your question.

 

But from that responce i take it you want a Sanbox game.  Good luck there will never be a good sandbox game.

Thats the past, and is the past for a reason.

 

Why do people keep saying that if you don't like WAR go back to WoW or wait for a good sandbox.

There are so many reasons to not like WAR, but like other non-wow non-sandbox games.

Combat? Lock target auto aim is definetly not the best, but Mythic is too chicken to risk developing their own. THe response time in combat is too slow and feels clunky.

Classes diversity is horrible. Basically almost every class has half of his abilities to add some points, and other half to spend these points. That's boring and stupid and it means to mindlessly button smash all the time. Where are responsive actions? Like attacks that triggers when you dodge, or when you critically hit, or when you press your abilities in certain order to make a combination.

PvP RvR whatever is all about waiting in the queue and then fightning in the same instanced small zone for about 10 minutes. World PvP? .. fanboys keep saying it's gonna improve during later levels. Noone fought in open zone in CB during the period when everyone got level 31 character. Some factions are absolutely inbalanced in popularity. Dwarves against orcs. On every realm, there will be much more orcs than Dwarves. The bar will be red all the time.

I better not mention graphics quality and the irritating opening music in main menu.

I've always tried to advocate not hating on any game so I won't tell you where to go or what to wait for. WAR is a good MMO. It's ok to not like a game, but actually hating on it or the people that find pleasure in playing it is assinine. Try the game and if you don't like it or don't think it's up to your "standards" then move on. Gaming forums seem to be filled with people that love to hate on every game released.

I'm having fun and find WAR to be very above average for an MMO. My friends and I will be playing for probably the next 2-3 years. Every game I've ever played has had flaws and boring sections that made me wonder wtf they were thinking, but I still enjoyed every single one. When I grew bored with them or decided they weren't for me, I didn't hunt down their forums and spend my time hating on them and ridiculing anyone that found them appealing. This attitude is by far the worst part of the internet gaming community. I'm a gaming fanboy. All games. All genres. All platforms. Hating on games is just noise to me.

Originally posted by Endlos

Originally posted by kaydinv

Originally posted by Endlos

Originally posted by kaydinv

Good luck there will never be a good sandbox game.

Thats the past, and is the past for a reason.

 

It's the past because people like you gobble up MMORPG's that lack any depth whatsoever and all you care about is "winning." You don't even want a "game," you just want an interactive movie that yells "Great Job" every now and then so you can feel like you've accomplished something in life.

I will make this clear, you will probably enjoy WAR and so will a lot of people. People will enjoy a sandbox MMORPG more if they ever get the chance to play one and actually take the time to do it.

 

Spore is that way ------->

Have fun with the DRM though, I hear it's pretty nasty.

 

Wow, aren't you clever? Unfortunately, Spore is not an MMORPG. What's more unfortunate is that you know that, you just couldn't come up with anything smart to say. I guess that happens when the type of games you enjoy are shallow and lack any sort of challenge.

 

Stop talking in circles so much, you're making me dizzy.

Since when does challenge have anything do with a sandbox approach to gaming?  I thought the two were mutually exclusive, since balance is pretty hard to obtain when a player can do almost anything he or she wants.

Moreover, what larger challenge could there be than something that is heavily based around competing against other thinking, living, human beings rather than a predictable and exploitable AI script?

You seem to be trolling two separate ideas at the same time, that don't exactly gel with each other:

"War sucks because it has restrictions."

"War sucks because it's easy."

Learning how to operate and succeed within your limits is usually a more challenging aspect to, well, pretty much anything in life.

That's why all sorts of professional (and unprofessional) sports are hugely popular.  Games like War aren't all that far removed from them: the main drive is the thrill of competition, a team or individual doing what it can to the best of its ability to overcome someone else trying to do the same thing.

Competitive gaming is like that, just,  you know, without the glamor.

Or the money.

Or the fame.

Or the human-social interaction.

Or the significantly higher start-up costs.

Or the risk of permanent injury or death.

Or the risk of being exposed to direct sunlight.

...anyway, you get a more focused competition by having clearly designed and stated rules that everyone has to follow.  It's two entirely different flavors of the same hobby.  Just because you don't like getting your ass kicked because you suck at something doesn't immediately make it terrible for anyone else to enjoy it, just like people that are less creative don't magically suck at life compared to an artist.

Although I was making the point throughout my posts that WAR is in fact easy (the skill floor and skill ceiling are practically touching; you can't be bad at this game) and even though I pointed out that the game lacks freedom, I was not saying WAR sucks for these reasons. WAR is just not a great game, as hype would lead you to believe, and those two points are major contributing factors.

The two are mutually exclusive (as you stated) but, that doesn't change the fact that these two features (lack of freedom and lack of difficulty) are a part of WAR.

Warhammer graphics are crap but if it allows for larger scale battles and less instancing, that's a pretty good trade-off if you ask me.

Originally posted by mrnutz1065

Warhammer graphics are crap but if it allows for larger scale battles and less instancing, that's a pretty good trade-off if you ask me.

As he said, either this or you can have small scale (at least compared to what's in WAR) skirmishes you get in AoC.

May i say something about the graphic's?

They are just:  Wow

Guess u can interpret that different depending on if your a fanboi or a hater..   

Between Vanguard and Age of Conan; I welcome a game that's scaled back graphics enough to support massive amounts of people on screen without FPS drops. So far, that's what I've gotten with WAR.

It depends on what light you look at it. If you look at WAR as having intentionally aimed for WoW's simplicity and accessibility; it looks as if they drastically overshot toning down graphics and couldn't possibly make up for it due to not well...possessing Blizzard's legendary artistic stylizations.

Lookin' at it from a standpoint of WAR's two big features though: RvR and Public Quests which have nothing at all to do with WoW, would you REALLY want Age of Conan level graphics?

Another thing, Mythic is proven capable of updating thier graphics engine as time progresses, and accessibility changes permit. Dark Age of Camelot received a new client every year or so at the start of things, but this might not be the case with WAR if they're adamant about keeping accessibility similar to WoW, they probably won't raise the bar since Blizzard has no plans to.

Anyway; I forced antialiasing and some other stuff in my Nvidia control panel as suggested in this thread; and everything does look a lot better. I hope Mythic was being honest about certain graphic settings being forced during beta, regardless of sliders; but I'm a bit too cynical nowadays towards the whole "miracle patch" explanation of a-week-before-launch fallacies.

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Originally posted by Thillian

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Originally posted by onlinenow225

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Originally posted by Blodpls

Is there a good game in there as well if I look hard enough?

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Can you define your self what a "good" game is to you and ill answer your question.
 
But from that responce i take it you want a Sanbox game.  Good luck there will never be a good sandbox game.
Thats the past, and is the past for a reason.

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Why do people keep saying that if you don't like WAR go back to WoW or wait for a good sandbox.
There are so many reasons to not like WAR, but like other non-wow non-sandbox games.
Combat? Lock target auto aim is definetly not the best, but Mythic is too chicken to risk developing their own. THe response time in combat is too slow and feels clunky.
Classes diversity is horrible. Basically almost every class has half of his abilities to add some points, and other half to spend these points. That's boring and stupid and it means to mindlessly button smash all the time. Where are responsive actions? Like attacks that triggers when you dodge, or when you critically hit, or when you press your abilities in certain order to make a combination.
PvP RvR whatever is all about waiting in the queue and then fightning in the same instanced small zone for about 10 minutes. World PvP? .. fanboys keep saying it's gonna improve during later levels. Noone fought in open zone in CB during the period when everyone got level 31 character. Some factions are absolutely inbalanced in popularity. Dwarves against orcs. On every realm, there will be much more orcs than Dwarves. The bar will be red all the time.
I better not mention graphics quality and the irritating opening music in main menu.

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For the idiot who can't see one post above him. Graphics are not bad. Look at those pictures. Its a beta, game will release with more graphic options. That day i will post some really high res pictures for you and make you shut the fuuck up for real good. Till than keep whining. And bookmark this thread so that i can laugh at your face.

I think WAR's graphics are nice, they come close to LOTRO graphics in some areas and are better then LOTRO grphics in other areas.

They are better then WoW graphics.

They are not so good as AoC graphics, but do we really want instancing and zoning every 5 minutes?

Also, you can't handle AoC or Crysis type of graphics with 100 people on your screen, not even with a quad core at 4000 mhz with 8 GB RAM and 3x SLI GTX280, not if you set the quality to max with 16 AA and AF

Well mayb it would be playable, but there are not that many people that can afford such a monster PC ...

Nope, the graphics are nice, they are more then good enough for me, they match lotro graphics overall ( character models are better, effects are on par, landscape is almost as good as lotro, lotro does have an edge with directx10 )

And I thought that LOTRO graphics were great !

Greetz

I'm still not seeing the comparison to wow here.

Sure, they have orcs, goblins, elves, and shit, but what does war have that most fantasy games lack? What little thing makes WAR and WOW so hated graphics wise?

Hmm..Oh, that's right. A good and original look as far as MMOs go.

:P

Originally posted by Spartan82_26

Wanna see good graphics?

Force AA/AF in your driver settings as high as your PC can handle.

Create an Order Human character. You'll end up in the starting village with burning houses, plenty of trees and vegetation, high res buildings, good lighting, all that stuff. Plus the texture bug isn't as visible as in say Destruction Orc starting area.

Most people play Destruction and many play greenskins, run around the first Orc zone which has plenty of rock and mountain riddled with the texture bug and cry bad graphics.

Play some other races and areas and then judge. Play some scenarios like Nordenwatch for example which I think looks excellent (especially castles building and walls) then judge.

Go to capital cities Aldorf and Inevitable and then judge the graphics.

Also remember this is Beta and things will hopefully be improved for Live ie graphics will be even better.

I'm not discussing Animations here I think we all agree they need attention. Environmental graphics however are very good imho once the texture bug's been eliminated and it's only Beta. Beats WoW hands down anyway.

I am looking still not seeing nothing impressive. Look at my system specs, Well established to play any graphical game to date. This is just another WoW tactic game which is Low Res graphics so alot of CPU can play it so it will have a broder spectrum for players. Its WoW 2.0 because wow has years on it now so the low res graphics of wow are just horrible but these are the revamp to them which are as horrible just a little updated so that you can make any computer sold today can play it. 

Originally posted by Endlos

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/UnruheEndlos/AliciannaF_012.jpg

Here's one.

That looks like a screen shot from WoW (a four year old game) with all the settings turned down.

Originally posted by rikilii

Originally posted by Endlos

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/UnruheEndlos/AliciannaF_012.jpg

Here's one.

 

That looks like a screen shot from WoW (a four year old game) with all the settings turned down.

I don't think so.  I don't see a brightly lit, blocky saturday-morning cartoon world and 7-polygon characters.

See, I can use hyperbole too!  Except my only exaggeration was the 7-polygon characters.  They probably use 12.

Originally posted by Endlos

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/UnruheEndlos/AliciannaF_012.jpg

Here's one.

Welcome to Mag Mell in DAOC.

Originally posted by rikilii

Originally posted by Endlos

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r277/UnruheEndlos/AliciannaF_012.jpg

Here's one.

 

That looks like a screen shot from WoW (a four year old game) with all the settings turned down.

Time to take the WoW goggles off. . .it's ok no one will poke fun at you.

If you're interested in a Massively Multiplayer Online Game because you think it'll look good, you've sort of missed the point of the genre.

Warhammer Online, much like the World of Warcraft which every MMORPG seeks to imitate these days, is a game built to be played on a large number of people's computers.  Consequently, the graphics are diminished to the point where a greater number of players can play it.

That said, they did the best job they could in their confines.  Warhammer Online doesn't look bad.  It just doesn't look like Crysis - and that's understandable considering how few people can actually play Crysis at a great frame rate.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by rikilii

How about some screenshots or videos for those of us not in the beta.

 

This is about the best fan made video currently available. I'm not sure what settings it was taken at, but it looks pretty damn good to me. As for the model animations, well, it's clunky and lacks fluidness. However, if fluid character and NPC movements means increased latency, I think I'd rather play the game than bask in how realistic the game is, ala Age of Conan.

www.mmohell.com/videos/WHATrailer-1280x800.wmv

It's also impossible to get any good idea about what anything really looks like, because it flashes between scenes every second or two.  It's worse than an MTV commercial.

Originally posted by rikilii

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by rikilii

How about some screenshots or videos for those of us not in the beta.

 

This is about the best fan made video currently available. I'm not sure what settings it was taken at, but it looks pretty damn good to me. As for the model animations, well, it's clunky and lacks fluidness. However, if fluid character and NPC movements means increased latency, I think I'd rather play the game than bask in how realistic the game is, ala Age of Conan.

www.mmohell.com/videos/WHATrailer-1280x800.wmv

 

It's also impossible to get any good idea about what anything really looks like, because it flashes between scenes every second or two.  It's worse than an MTV commercial.

You just can't please everyone. . .