I'm loving the game so far...but after playing the game a few times over the last few years at different conventions I knew I probably would. I've ran into quite a few minor annoyances. Mobs getting bugged untargettable,I've crashed 3 times now after my release timer goes to zero in scenario's,healers seem rediculously overpowered.

Despite the few negatives I'm still eagerly awaiting release. With as few problems WAR has right now it wont take them long at all to fix everything, and get the game running smoothly.

Originally posted by Jerriescids

Originally posted by onlinenow225

Originally posted by Jerriescids

I could not agree more. Dead on.

As is, Warhammer should remove leveling completely-- Hell --Make a steam game, because if this is what mmorpgs have to offer.. Then this genre is lacking. What is our hope now? Aion-- Doubtful. Darkfall -- Very doubtful..

Might be time to reroll for the next 3-5 years.. Oh how the mmorpg industry has changed... Am I am sandbox lover? Of course, to me thats what mmorpgs are-- Depth with fun gameplay.. now a days get in line.. Do this.. Then this.. than that... and this.. Repeat this.. all the while having little to no fun factor.

Do not compare this game to DAOC..

I refuse to drink this koolaid.... Because its far to watered down.

Lol every RL friend thats played DAOC loves WAR so much more. 

But that explains it.  Your a sanbox fanboi.  Guess were your sanbox is?  It was in your backyard after you grew too old to play in it so it was taken out.

Get it?  Sandbox is of the past and is gone for many reasons.  Do i know them? No but devs do.

I know them (the reasons)-- Because MMORPGS have become the bottomline.. And the way to make the bottomline better is to make the game easier (often with lower requirements) and more linear.. Your right I do enjoy the freedom of sandbox games.. Why the in the world would you not enjoy a game with massive depth? Why would you not enjoy something complex? I understand people want to "turn off" and "relax" when they play computer games, I really do.. but its just gone too relax, too linear, and too bland.. and I'll even say IN MY OPINION... as a disclaimer because I know there are a lot of people who do enjoy that type of game.. Flame away but it still doesn't change the fact I've watch a genre DIE. 

Is sandbox dead? Yes.

Is sandbox coming back? I hope to <insert religious of entity of choosing here>

And once again,

Is darkfall the answer? Very.. very.. VERY doubtful

 

I wish there were big worlds with less grind and more depth to be honest. Warhammer just doesn't offer enough outside exploration. Not enough environment. But, it's still not a bad game. Just needs improvement in a lot of areas. Again, guess that's why It's still in beta. It has time to improve. But, it better do it farily quickly if they want to keep everyone. Whether you people want to believe it or not, Warhammer does have annoying problems that need to be fixed. =)

Originally posted by djsmileey

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by Tallrock

You dont have to see how this is a good game for me. Just see how this game is not a good game for you and move on.

The reason why there are so many mmo's out there is so that you pick the one that fits you the most.

You don't like certain features of the game? Fine, you have your reasons. I love most of the features this game has to offer, I have my reasons.

And I won't try to convince you on how cool I think the features are, but please respect people that enjoy the game.

 

No, you don't understand. I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game. I don't see it, but there are so many people who like it, there must be a reason, right? Maybe I give people too much credit.

 

What a stupid and meaningless question to ask.  "I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game."  Why do you like the music you listen to?  Why do you watch the movies you enjoy?  Why do you enjoy the games you enjoy? 

Do you realize you are not the only person in this world? (I realize that may have came as a shock to you, but bear with me.) If you don't like the game, it's perfectly NATURAL, not everything is for everyone, if it were, everyone would be bums and doctors at the same time.  Get it?
 

There is nothing anyone can say that will make you say "OH THAT IS WHY THIS IS A GOOD GAME!!" and your a moron for asking.  You're just trying to stir the pot and I'm the sucker fallin' for your childish games. 
 

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I'm asking the same question though.. What is the appeal.. I guess its new.. new can be exciting, but in my book-- its just not a mmorpg.. I like your signature by the way.. Sadly I don't feel that the "mmorpg" market is trying to appeal to me.. I am part of a minority.. The majority enjoys WoW and maybe Warhammer (time will tell)-- The majority has spoken.. I suppose I need to move on.

Originally posted by Jerriescids

Originally posted by djsmileey

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by Tallrock

You dont have to see how this is a good game for me. Just see how this game is not a good game for you and move on.

The reason why there are so many mmo's out there is so that you pick the one that fits you the most.

You don't like certain features of the game? Fine, you have your reasons. I love most of the features this game has to offer, I have my reasons.

And I won't try to convince you on how cool I think the features are, but please respect people that enjoy the game.

 

No, you don't understand. I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game. I don't see it, but there are so many people who like it, there must be a reason, right? Maybe I give people too much credit.

 

What a stupid and meaningless question to ask.  "I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game."  Why do you like the music you listen to?  Why do you watch the movies you enjoy?  Why do you enjoy the games you enjoy? 

Do you realize you are not the only person in this world? (I realize that may have came as a shock to you, but bear with me.) If you don't like the game, it's perfectly NATURAL, not everything is for everyone, if it were, everyone would be bums and doctors at the same time.  Get it?
 

There is nothing anyone can say that will make you say "OH THAT IS WHY THIS IS A GOOD GAME!!" and your a moron for asking.  You're just trying to stir the pot and I'm the sucker fallin' for your childish games. 
 

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I'm asking the same question though.. What is the appeal.. I guess its new.. new can be exciting, but in my book-- its just not a mmorpg.. I like your signature by the way.. Sadly I don't feel that the "mmorpg" market is trying to appeal to me.. I am part of a minority.. The majority enjoys WoW and maybe Warhammer (time will tell)-- The majority has spoken.. I suppose I need to move on.

You're probably like me. Looking for that game that has HD Quality graphics with weaather, blood, and a nice enjoyable outside environment. One that looks almost too good. Lots of quests, little grind, and lots and lots of pvp.

Originally posted by Noktaris

I'm loving the game so far...but after playing the game a few times over the last few years at different conventions I knew I probably would. I've ran into quite a few minor annoyances. Mobs getting bugged untargettable,I've crashed 3 times now after my release timer goes to zero in scenario's,healers seem rediculously overpowered.

 

Despite the few negatives I'm still eagerly awaiting release. With as few problems WAR has right now it wont take them long at all to fix everything, and get the game running smoothly.

The reason you might feel healers are over powered might be due to people playing badly and not as a team.  You should have well rounded teams, with healers of your own, and people shoudl protect the healers so the healers can keep you alive.

I have a 19 shaman who 1 on 1 can stomp most classes, but this game isn't a 1 on 1 game, it's mass pvp versus mass pvp, unfortunately right now, everyone is nubs and no-one actually works together, so a lot of 1 on 2's and 1 on 3's and 1 on 1's do happen, and yes healers will seem like the most OP, but once ppl start looking at it from a "team" perspective, things will change dramatically. 
 

Imagine those same guilds who conquer all those top dungeons in WoW putting forth the same effort to conquer cities and orgnanizing as such.  Imagine an opposing guild with equivelant power and organization.  That'll be a fun good fight to watch/be a part of.  Even smaller organized groups can do heavy damage when done right.  Think about the movie Braveheart, buncha nobodies doin' there own thing = nothing, when gathered and lead properly with strategy = powerful force. 
 

Well, I could go through and respond to each and every one of your points, but that would take forever and I'm lazy, lol. So I'm gonna point out a couple things you seem to be upset about.

First of all, you say that in DAOC you can capture your enemy's capitol or whatever, and grab their relic and then display it, which you wish you could do in WAR. Funnily enough, you CAN actually do this. You see, there are these things WAR has called Trophies. Now I haven't really looked into them much, and I'm sure you haven't looked into them at all, but you should. For example, and Paul Barnett has said this in recent interviews, lets say you capture the enemy capital. You sack it, burn it to the ground, destroy the two unique strong points within the city, unlock the king, fight him (which is an incredible feat itself) and win. What do you get for this? Woop-de-do and wait for the city to reset? Hell no. How about you cut the king's head off and keep it? How about you can then take the head and show it off to the enemy players so you can say "Ha ha, I killed your king, I'm better than you, and I can prove it" (to quote Paul). Maybe for killing 500 High Elves in PvP you get an elf skull, and what do you do with it? You can put it on your belt. Maybe you get a Dwarf beard (read the lore) to tie to your sword to let every dwarf know you're a badass dwarf killer. Maybe you get a symbol of the Emperor to emblazen on your shoulder. There's something like 13 different spots for these trophies on each character to be filled up with various things that not only differentiate you from the next player, but also show how cool you are. There's definately lots of meat there to be looked in to.

Also you seem to say that removing the grind is a bad thing. Honestly I think it's a good thing. If you like grind, perhaps you might try an asian game. They all love grind very much. One of the reasons I think WoW did so well is because it is easier to advance. People don't want to sit down after a long day at work and have to spend 6 hours grinding only to get half a bar towards the next level which won't actually give you anything new. That's no fun, that's a job. People want to sit down and play for a short amount of time, and feel like they've accomplished something. Or atleast made some headway.

I feel like all of your points are either ones you haven't looked into very much, or are quite subjective. In this case, there's really nothing anyone can do if you're dead set to hate the game.

Originally posted by GreenChaos

 

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Originally posted by richmix
I wanted to like this game. I really did. I started with UO way back in the day,

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Not reading any more than this. Ex UO people are fanatical lunatics, and nothing except for Darkfall is going to make them happy again. So, shut your face and wait for Darkfall like all the other good little ex UO players.

Ignorant.

Anyways, I'll have to agree with you OP.  I really wanted to love WAR since I loved DAoC so much, but everything you pointed out is there.  Good balanced review and opinion of the game.

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by Tallrock

You dont have to see how this is a good game for me. Just see how this game is not a good game for you and move on.

The reason why there are so many mmo's out there is so that you pick the one that fits you the most.

You don't like certain features of the game? Fine, you have your reasons. I love most of the features this game has to offer, I have my reasons.

And I won't try to convince you on how cool I think the features are, but please respect people that enjoy the game.

 

No, you don't understand. I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game. I don't see it, but there are so many people who like it, there must be a reason, right? Maybe I give people too much credit.

I really do think that you should make four groups: people that played other non RVR MMORGS, people that played early DAOC (up to/including SI), people that played or play DAOC till this day, people that are a total fanbois of another MMORPG and dont want to see their friends/guilds leave.

Group 1 will loooooooove it, simply because of the RvR factor. It's a different experience to what they experienced before.

Group 2 will loooooooove it, simply because it takes them back to the simle days of DAOC emain RvR but in an improved concept.

Group 3 will be critical, where's the depth, where are the long term objectives (personally I can't believe they failed to include relics a o so critical part of RvR), this feels much simpler then current day DAOC, etc.

Group 4 will do anything to bash the game just in order to convince their friends/guildmates to stay (this behaviour occurred a lot during WoW open beta as well then versus WoW).

Long term wise WAR could mean a big influx of players towards DAOC who want the sandbox and extreme depth combined with RvR as it is hwo Mythic always planned this (DAOC hardcore sandbox RvR game, WAR easier accessible well balanced RVR game).

/end input

Well ill attempt to answer the question of "what is the appeal".

1) Familiar to WoW and DoAC players, meaning you dont need to learn something completely different.

2) Graphics that are attractive and yet simple enough to run well on most peoples computers without melting video cards.

3) 30+ zones of PvE content, giving PvE fans tons of quests and zones to explore.

4) 30+ zones of PvP content, giving PvP fans tons of areas, objectives and castles to fight over and conquer, all without having to travel to specific lands (like you had to do in DAoC).

5) Public Quests, some 300 of them throughout the world, giving you lots of cool events that can be done solo or with groups for unique fun, all the while raising your influence level,

6) An Influence system that takes what WoW did and goes beyond that, clearly showing you what the potential rewards are and makes them easy to get.

7) Separate PvE and PvP leveling systems. Staggered PvP gear that is easy to attain without requiring tons of Honor grinding like in WoW.

8) Guild leveling system and rewards along with excellent guild tools.

9) Gear you can Dye to further differentiate how your character looks from the masses.

10) 3 very different war fronts, allowing you to play the game from 3 very different perspectives, which also affords a lot more replayability than competiting products like AoC.

11) You can PvP from level 1 and immediately have fun without being forced to grind to become useful.

I could go on, but I think ive said enough. Lots of content, lots of rewards, immediate fun.

Originally posted by djsmileey

 

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Imagine those same guilds who conquer all those top dungeons in WoW putting forth the same effort to conquer cities and orgnanizing as such.  Imagine an opposing guild with equivelant power and organization.  That'll be a fun good fight to watch/be a part of.  Even smaller organized groups can do heavy damage when done right.  Think about the movie Braveheart, buncha nobodies doin' there own thing = nothing, when gathered and lead properly with strategy = powerful force. 
 

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Anyone on coke here ???

yep, I guess.

Kinda glad I wasn't in the old school DAOC or OU crowd. Seems like they need a game to be great on every scale in open beta for it to be a successful/enjoyable game.

The game is fun for me. It will grow over time, and become a better game.

Originally posted by DrAtomic

Originally posted by richmix

Originally posted by Tallrock

You dont have to see how this is a good game for me. Just see how this game is not a good game for you and move on.

The reason why there are so many mmo's out there is so that you pick the one that fits you the most.

You don't like certain features of the game? Fine, you have your reasons. I love most of the features this game has to offer, I have my reasons.

And I won't try to convince you on how cool I think the features are, but please respect people that enjoy the game.

 

No, you don't understand. I really want someone to explain to me what makes this a good game. I don't see it, but there are so many people who like it, there must be a reason, right? Maybe I give people too much credit.

 

I really do think that you should make four groups: people that played other non RVR MMORGS, people that played early DAOC (up to/including SI), people that played or play DAOC till this day, people that are a total fanbois of another MMORPG and dont want to see their friends/guilds leave.

Group 1 will loooooooove it, simply because of the RvR factor. It's a different experience to what they experienced before.

Group 2 will loooooooove it, simply because it takes them back to the simle days of DAOC emain RvR but in an improved concept.

Group 3 will be critical, where's the depth, where are the long term objectives (personally I can't believe they failed to include relics a o so critical part of RvR), this feels much simpler then current day DAOC, etc.

Group 4 will do anything to bash the game just in order to convince their friends/guildmates to stay (this behaviour occurred a lot during WoW open beta as well then versus WoW).

Long term wise WAR could mean a big influx of players towards DAOC who want the sandbox and extreme depth combined with RvR as it is hwo Mythic always planned this (DAOC hardcore sandbox RvR game, WAR easier accessible well balanced RVR game).

/end input

You forgot to add the part about where everyone makes their judgements and assumptions based of of 1/4 of the game. 

"Don't Judge A Book By It's Cover" 

Daoc has been out for 1987250928 years, warhammer is in beta.  You haven't even seen the endgame, and your talking about it being unbalanced.  One of the biggest issues Daoc had for a very long time was balance issues. 

If I went onto the wow forums and said "Guys i bought this game 3 weeks ago, and got my character to level 37, this sucks! there is no balance, and everyone beats me in duels, this is such a shitty game" 

People would tell me to go fuck myself and get lost noob.

Yet hundreds of "READ MY ARTICLE ON WHY WARHAMMER SUCKS" threads are popping up on peoples 3 days of experience during a beta session.

What a silly, sick, sad joke.

OP = Fail.
 

Originally posted by TeamFortress

Originally posted by djsmileey

 

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Imagine those same guilds who conquer all those top dungeons in WoW putting forth the same effort to conquer cities and orgnanizing as such.  Imagine an opposing guild with equivelant power and organization.  That'll be a fun good fight to watch/be a part of.  Even smaller organized groups can do heavy damage when done right.  Think about the movie Braveheart, buncha nobodies doin' there own thing = nothing, when gathered and lead properly with strategy = powerful force. 
 

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Anyone on coke here ???

yep, I guess.

When you start making sense, i'll respond with something more substantial.
 

To the OP, I think your title says it all.  You are the one failing to understand why other people will enjoy WAR.  You find there are too many minor details which prevent you from enjoying the game.  That is fine, you are entitled to your opinion of what you enjoy or don't enjoy.  However, some of your responses here are implying that you are brilliant and since you don't enjoy it, everyone who does enjoy playing WAR must be part of the idiot legions. 

I have to tell you I'm not brilliant, but I am not an idiot legion either.  The reason I will play WAR is that I am enjoying the game.  It's fine if you don't enjoy it, just don't play it then.  No harm, no foul.  If I stop enjoying playing WAR I will certainly move on to play another game.  What I will not do is waste my time in a forum for the fans of the product and complain about why no one should like the game.  For example, I stopped having fun playing WoW after the first 7 months years ago and moved on to other games.  However, I have never posted a negative statement about my WoW experience in a forum dedicated to WoW fanboys.  It's a waste of time because either they already understand my reasons for quitting WoW because they have quit the game for similar reasons too, or else they are enjoying the game and any negative thing I have to say about it would not resonate with them. 

I understand you don't like the product, and you are entitled to express your opinion.  Consider that job done.  It is now time to go in search of a product you will enjoy, and leave the rest of us who will enjoy playing WAR to our own devices.  There is no need to denigrate yourself by trading insults or namecalling with the fanboys here.  You'll only prove your opinion less worthwhile the more you lower yourself.

I hope this helps.

As a long time tester, I wish I could really comment on how I feel. Needless to say, this is one less subscriber WAR has....

Originally posted by zmortis

To the OP, I think your title says it all.  You are the one failing to understand why other people will enjoy WAR.  You find there are too many minor details which prevent you from enjoying the game. 

Minor Details? I'm sorry I appreciate your feedback because at least you put some effort into it, but no-- its not "minor details" we are talking about.. its anything BUT minor details.

Originally posted by djsmileey

Originally posted by DrAtomic

I really do think that you should make four groups: people that played other non RVR MMORGS, people that played early DAOC (up to/including SI), people that played or play DAOC till this day, people that are a total fanbois of another MMORPG and dont want to see their friends/guilds leave.

Group 1 will loooooooove it, simply because of the RvR factor. It's a different experience to what they experienced before.

Group 2 will loooooooove it, simply because it takes them back to the simle days of DAOC emain RvR but in an improved concept.

Group 3 will be critical, where's the depth, where are the long term objectives (personally I can't believe they failed to include relics a o so critical part of RvR), this feels much simpler then current day DAOC, etc.

Group 4 will do anything to bash the game just in order to convince their friends/guildmates to stay (this behaviour occurred a lot during WoW open beta as well then versus WoW).

Long term wise WAR could mean a big influx of players towards DAOC who want the sandbox and extreme depth combined with RvR as it is hwo Mythic always planned this (DAOC hardcore sandbox RvR game, WAR easier accessible well balanced RVR game).

/end input

 

You forgot to add the part about where everyone makes their judgements and assumptions based of of 1/4 of the game. 

"Don't Judge A Book By It's Cover" 

Daoc has been out for 1987250928 years, warhammer is in beta.  You haven't even seen the endgame, and your talking about it being unbalanced.  One of the biggest issues Daoc had for a very long time was balance issues. 

If I went onto the wow forums and said "Guys i bought this game 3 weeks ago, and got my character to level 37, this sucks! there is no balance, and everyone beats me in duels, this is such a shitty game" 

People would tell me to go fuck myself and get lost noob.

Yet hundreds of "READ MY ARTICLE ON WHY WARHAMMER SUCKS" threads are popping up on peoples 3 days of experience during a beta session.

What a silly, sick, sad joke.

OP = Fail.
 

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Errr I'm not talking about the WAR endgame being unbalanced, I actually said the exact opposite.

Edit: and as to the part of leaving out peoples assumptions based on 1 hours worth of play, no I didnot leave them out. Group 4. People that are bashing like that have a motive, the motive is to be able to point to their friends and say see the game sucks because that guy agrees with me now stay with me and lets go do another mission.

Originally posted by Jerriescids

Originally posted by zmortis

To the OP, I think your title says it all.  You are the one failing to understand why other people will enjoy WAR.  You find there are too many minor details which prevent you from enjoying the game. 

Minor Details? I'm sorry I appreciate your feedback because at least you put some effort into it, but no-- its not "minor details" we are talking about.. its anything BUT minor details.

A details signifcance is only relevent to the person in which it's effecting, so to him, yes they are minor, to you they feel like a big deal.  Get an education.
 

Originally posted by Annekynn

Well ill attempt to answer the question of "what is the appeal".

1) Familiar to WoW and DoAC players, meaning you dont need to learn something completely different.

2) Graphics that are attractive and yet simple enough to run well on most peoples computers without melting video cards.

3) 30+ zones of PvE content, giving PvE fans tons of quests and zones to explore.

4) 30+ zones of PvP content, giving PvP fans tons of areas, objectives and castles to fight over and conquer, all without having to travel to specific lands (like you had to do in DAoC).

5) Public Quests, some 300 of them throughout the world, giving you lots of cool events that can be done solo or with groups for unique fun, all the while raising your influence level,

6) An Influence system that takes what WoW did and goes beyond that, clearly showing you what the potential rewards are and makes them easy to get.

7) Separate PvE and PvP leveling systems. Staggered PvP gear that is easy to attain without requiring tons of Honor grinding like in WoW.

8) Guild leveling system and rewards along with excellent guild tools.

9) Gear you can Dye to further differentiate how your character looks from the masses.

10) 3 very different war fronts, allowing you to play the game from 3 very different perspectives, which also affords a lot more replayability than competiting products like AoC.

11) You can PvP from level 1 and immediately have fun without being forced to grind to become useful.

I could go on, but I think ive said enough. Lots of content, lots of rewards, immediate fun.

Time to play... and than let's do the talking.

let's begin with the control of your avatar in the free open world. Are you the avatar or do you play WITH it?

then do some PVE stuff with the NPC's AI

Have a nice PQ you stumble upon and that's being reset every 15 minutes

and finally battle in the always speechless uncoordinated scenarios with the staggered PvP gear on.

It's a publicity brochure you are talking of. I am talking about gameplay.

 

Errr I'm not talking about the WAR endgame being unbalanced, I actually said the exact opposite.

No I know that, I didn't mean to make that post seem directed at you. I apologize if it came off that way. :)

/cheers