I wanted a game based on Warhammer fantasy roleplaying game, a game without levels where you could walk the street of Middenheim, travel the Reich on a boat and with lots of RPG feeling.

We didnt get that, we got "Dark age of Altdorf" instead, many of you probably love that but I am dissapointed anyways.I am a huge fan of the old GW game and it kinda felt like when Hollywood makes a movie about a book.

I am not impressed by the roleplaying factor in LOTRO either for that matter, I miss the RPG factor of Biowares "Neverwinter nights" (not Ataris shitty sequel).

y the hell would u start playing a game wanting it to be like others

when i popped in cod4 for the first time i didnt go

YES I HOPE THIS GAME IS LIKE CSS AND BATTLEFIELD PUT TOGETHER

no ididnt

so y would i here

u crazy

Originally posted by sigurd57

Originally posted by aurick

Tell you what.  Go back to WoW for the next five years.  Then come check out WAR.All these awesome "More" features that you're now talking about weren't even in WoW at launch.  Yet you expect WAR to have them at launch?  WoW didn't have raids.  WoW didn't have battlegrounds.  WoW still doesn't have city sieging or any sieging at all.  WoW still doesn't have meaningful world PvP objectives.

This is really getting idiotic.  The AoC forums were full of people justifying how little that game had at launch by the fact that "WoW has had five years's head start."  Now people are bashing this game because it doesn't have features at launch that WoW took years to implement.   Can we say "double standards", anyone?

 

Was going to comment on the AoC thing on 2 fronts..

Agree above about content.  Everybody compares to WoW, well, yes, WoW has 4+ years of content built on top of it.   At launch it had NOTHING, no PvP, Raids, BGs, nothing just slow level to 60 and UBRS! Wewt!  

AoC:  Same thing, people expect a game with 5 years worth of content on release, it doesn't happen that way.   Forget the insane level of misguided hate towards Funcom, AoC needs the same amount of "grow" time other MMO's do.   Funcom's problem, they tried to do too much with too little, and it backfired.   

But,. the flip side...

WAR on the other hand, seems to be a step backwards in all directions..   I don't need to elaborate, because rational, educated, and thought-out posts saying anything negative about somebody's beloved game they've never played is frowned upon here.  And I'm not turning this into another b*tch fest of which MMO's "pee-pee" is larger than the others...

Point being...  WAR is a new pair of shoes on old feet.   I've tried it, I've attempted to "get into it" multiple times.   I feel no drawn, no attraction to it, no compelling reason to continue playing.   It's the same drab quests, the same slow combat, and the same as every other game I've played before.   Sure, somebody will tell me I'm retarded, don't know what I'm talking about, blah blah blah..  Well, I DO Know what I'm talking about, cause I'm talking about what matters to me.   I dislike WAR, not because it's a bad game, I'm sure it's an amazing game to many people, but it's just not going to be MY game...

But, you can quote me on this, as I'm sure it will be relevant in the coming weeks...  
AoC forums were filled with this same shyte of "ZOMG BEST GAME EVER" euphoria right around the middle of May...   Even about 2 weeks after release, AoC was still being praised as the best thing since sliced bread.     Of course after players played past the level cap imposed in the betas, after people saw the content,  got bored, that outlook changed.. quickly.  Immediately everybody screamed and cried and let their hate be known...

Why will WAR be any different?   </end>

Thank you for a well articulated post.  :)

I was one of the people extolling AoC's virtues -- until I got to level 55 and discovered how much content was broken or just plain missing.  But I have several reasons to believe that WAR will be different:

1. WAR's NDA was lifted a few weeks ago.  AoC's beta NDA has never been lifted to this day.
2. AoC's open beta was level limited.  WAR's open beta is not.
3. AoC focused on the first 20 levels almost to the exclusion of anything else.  WAR hasn't exactly neglected the first tier of content, but they have recognized that players get past that stuff pretty fast.  By the accounts I've read from people who've gotten to higher tiers, along with the bit of tier 2 content I've seen so far, WAR has focused heavily on the content that will keep players hooked at later levels.  I guess they're relying on word of mouth to get people hooked at earlier levels.  Probably not the best idea, but still better than what AoC did.
4. AoC's open beta performed like ass.  WAR's open beta is performing like a game that's ready for release but is now being heavily stressed to determine load balances and the like.  That's not to say it's bug free.  Only that it's not the bug-filled disaster that AoC proved to be, even after the "miracle patch".
5. AoC's representatives are notorious at this point for secrecy, lies and double talk.  WAR's representatives have so far demonstrated themselves to be very honest and open.

I don't for a moment believe that WAR will be the game that unhorses WoW.  Frankly, I think the only company that's ever going to be able to do that is Blizzard.  But I'm not looking for an MMO equivalent of the Second Coming.  All I'm looking for is a game that will have more actual meat at the end game.  WoW's end game is nothing but grinding.  Grind for rep.  Grind for gear.  Finished with that last grind?  Here's a new one.  WAR is offering what looks to be a very dynamic end game.  Only time will tell if it will prove to be what I'm really looking for.  But unlike some of these people, I'm not basing any assumptions on the first few levels.

Originally posted by TeamFortress

Tx for the extensive answer.

As you know I appreciate this: a constructive post without using 4 letter words and needless Wow bashing is so much better.

 

Thanks for your reply. I am sorry for my use of the words 'bollocks' , 'spewing' and 'behind' but I got a bit emotional :)

Originally posted by Sikhander

@Team fortress:

The CC categories in WAR are: Knock-back, knock-down, stun, root, snare and silence. They can be single target or AE. For a complete list of abilities check: www.wardb.com There is a crapload at Rank40. Do not forget tactics that add CC to non-CC abilities and morales for a comprehensive list. The average duration is 5sec.

Debuffs (such as CC) and buffs can be dispelled/purged by alot of classes as counter measures.

Your list of WoW content is right down misleading. The very feature that you hail with regard to WoW - gear releases every 6 months - kill alot of old content. Less so today than in vanilla WoW with the badge system - but badge grinds are among the least innovative features I have seen since it is a pure grind and nothing else. It does however give the non-raiders an opportunity to not be too far behind the hard-core raiders. When I was playing WoW seriously in TBC it had on average 2 raid dungeons to offer me (first SSC plus TK, later MH and BT - in the end one raid dungeon SW). That was it. And many were in that situation. It is not bad, but it is a reality very far from your '70 dungeons' bollocks.

At release WoW had: Plenty of content from level 1 to 60 with a low content period from 40 to 60 however (but it was ok - not really perfect though). As end-game it had: Stratholme, Scholomance and LBRS as 5-mans, UBRS as a small raid and MC as a large raid. There was no PvP content. This was a good amount of content since it meant that people could level to 60 and there was stuff to do once there to have fun. So a few months of content out of the box.

At release WAR has: Plenty of content from Rank1 to 40 (actually better coverage than WoW). As end-game it has: Bastion stair and Lost Vale as PvE dungeons (roughly a full both side Stratholme run each in size so larger than Scholo for example) and city PvE dungeons (small PvE dungeons), and PvP end-game in 3 pairings (9 zones of the same size as the average WoW zone) and 1 capitol city siege (per side). Each capitol city unlocks several 6-man dungeons and three major raid dungeons (small - including the 'king' encounter). The PvP system has gear ladders etc in ofc. So WAR also has a few months of solid content to plow through at launch which is a good thing.

So can you stop to spew all that propaganda crap like smoke rings from your behind? The proof of the pudding lies in Mythic's ability to add content in a few months time (just like Blizzard did), but out of the box it has a great amount of content.

Two little niggles with your post: 

Molten Core was not in the game at release.  It didn't come until about 6 months later.

You don't list Onyxia.  Technically, that wasn't in at release either.  But it came out before MC, which is why I mention it.

So the truth is that WoW had no raids at release. 

Originally posted by aurick

Two little niggles with your post: 

Molten Core was not in the game at release.  It didn't come until about 6 months later.

You don't list Onyxia.  Technically, that wasn't in at release either.  But it came out before MC, which is why I mention it.

So the truth is that WoW had no raids at release. 

Actually MC was in but had alot of balance issues. When I stepped in there trash never respawned and had quite short respawn timers as an example. It was pretty painful (but fun for a masochist like me).

WAR is doing it right in my opinion.  They release with a core game and can always add other elements later.  This is basically what LOTRO did, adding in cool stuff after release that added more to the game.

Graphics in WAR is a mixed bag.  I am hoping that with release, graphics are bumped up a notch without losing performance. WOW and LOTRO crafting are boring.  I think for more fun crafting, SWG or Saga of Ryzom.  Armor in WAR so far looks pretty badass though and you can dye stuff which is very nice.

As for combat, LOTRO combat is boring and WOW pvp was not that fun owing to class imbalances. 

Originally posted by xaldraxius

 

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Originally posted by syxx

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Originally posted by fingis

 

I wanted LOTRO's RP stuff, the story line, the lore, the music, and the outfits.
I wanted WoW's raiding, WoW's PvP features, stealth, fear, feign death, charge, blink and so on.
WoW and LOTRO's execellent PvE questing.
And WAR's RvR.
I expected WAR to have all this.
Why does WAR have so little? People keep telling me that minimalism is good. I don't see it. I expect more from a new game, not less that games that are four years old.

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1st of all if it had WoW type raiding i would never have wanted to play it.
Wow's pvp/features sucks soo bad that im glad its nothing like it.
It doesn't have so little, and crowd control abilities are cheap ways to win as well as stealth.
In WAR it's really about WAR...not some stupid little sheep or fear turning the tides of the battle.
Finally a FUN new MMO...Really all i can say is WoW is old and boring as hell, i can't even force myself to play WOTLK beta anymore it's just sooooo lame.

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Try playing Order for a while. I know a lot of people are really excited about this game, but generally they are Destruction players who are happy as clams because they are at the moment nearly unbeatable in PvP. Try playing Order. It will give you a whole other viewpoint on the game.

I play destruction because the order classes dont appeal to me. If they did i would have been playing order no matter what. I played alliance most of the years in WoW so i can tolerate just about any situation without crying. I was also a red in UO for a couple years and was outnumbered by alot as well and still had just a good of a time.

Originally posted by TeamFortress

Originally posted by syxx

Originally posted by fingis

I wanted LOTRO's RP stuff, the story line, the lore, the music, and the outfits.

I wanted WoW's raiding, WoW's PvP features, stealth, fear, feign death, charge, blink and so on.

WoW and LOTRO's execellent PvE questing.

And WAR's RvR.

I expected WAR to have all this.

Why does WAR have so little? People keep telling me that minimalism is good. I don't see it. I expect more from a new game, not less that games that are four years old.

 

1st of all if it had WoW type raiding i would never have wanted to play it.

Wow's pvp/features sucks soo bad that im glad its nothing like it.

It doesn't have so little, and crowd control abilities are cheap ways to win as well as stealth.

In WAR it's really about WAR...not some stupid little sheep or fear turning the tides of the battle.

Finally a FUN new MMO...Really all i can say is WoW is old and boring as hell, i can't even force myself to play WOTLK beta anymore it's just sooooo lame.

The basic question was simple:
 

Why does WAR have so little? And all you can come up with is even more "little words" which don't mean a thing.

Words like "sucks" "bad" "CC is "cheap" "stupid" are hardly answers to his question.

 The above words are meaningless answers to his questions.

Sorry, it is what it is.... no matter what the word size is.

I went by the description of what HE wanted. Its not my fault he thinks WAR is a small game when its actually pretty huge...not my fault either he didnt check out more of the content.

 If you need a dictionary please send me a pm and ill send you a link to an online dictionary ...

Cuz i'll say it again it really all is what it is in WoW...Sucks,bad,CC is cheap, Stupid,...best description ever on one line i'd say.

Originally posted by fingis

I wanted LOTRO's RP stuff, the story line, the lore, the music, and the outfits.

I wanted WoW's raiding, WoW's PvP features, stealth, fear, feign death, charge, blink and so on.

WoW and LOTRO's execellent PvE questing.

And AoC's graphics  (we are in 2008-2009 aren't we?)

And WAR's RvR.

I expected WAR to have all this.

Why does WAR have so little? People keep telling me that minimalism is good. I don't see it. I expect more from a new game, not less that games that are four years old.

There, you forgot that one

Originally posted by fingis

I wanted LOTRO's RP stuff, the story line, the lore, the music, and the outfits.

I wanted WoW's raiding, WoW's PvP features, stealth, fear, feign death, charge, blink and so on.

WoW and LOTRO's execellent PvE questing.

And WAR's RvR.

I expected WAR to have all this.

Why does WAR have so little? People keep telling me that minimalism is good. I don't see it. I expect more from a new game, not less that games that are four years old.

Lets see here... why doesnt WAR have the features of WoW and LOTR:O... hrmmm...

Oh oh! I know!... Because... ITS WAR?!... Not WoW/LOTR:O.

I was hoping for a good game based in the Warhammer universe, and so far, I got that.

*eats some popcorn while everyone continues to feed the troll* I've been watching you guys for nearly two weeks feed this guy ammunition he must be loving every moment of the attention so I suppose I can add to it.

WAR has so much more going for it than the lame Carrot Stick Raids of WoW and the useless RP features of Lord of the Rings.  Don't get me wrong LoTRO has alot going for it and its the perfect setting for some fantasy RP but this is WAR ... Warhammer ... set in a time of a Great War I mean honestly do we need to run around worrying about what our hair styles are like?  Besides not even Lord of the Rings had alot of their great RP features at launch who's to say that WAR might not add something like that in later on?  Asking for everything and a bag of chips results in alot of crap not workign at launch that needs to while the fluff works.

WAR is an Achiever's dream game with the ToK.  Not only does it track kills, deaths and discoveries but it unlocks a ton of stuff over time.   You can earn unique cloaks, pocket items (trophy like items for pocket slots, yes those 'bag' slots on your toons paper doll screen are trophy slots *gasp*), trophies, tactics, and more.  None of these items are achievable over night either.

WAR's pvp system is fantastic...there's been such lame gank or worthless pvp in MMOs for years.  There's plenty of CC in WAR its just not the I make you unable to play yoru toon forever CC which is completely over powered and hated by most pvpers.  Who honestly finds it fun to stay stun locked and die?  Sure the scenarios are nothing fancy at Tier one...but as you go up in levels they get more complicated and wild to boot.  The Open RvR is the pure cake though...by Tier 2 you see your first keep and its incredibly important for you to have that keep as the Renown Vendors will only appear in the Keeps at Tier 2 and above. 

The list is kinda huge..there's achievements out the wazzu, public fantastically huge dungeons (i've seen one they're awsome as hell blows WoW's craptastic ones away in my opinion), the Renown System, the Guild System, the City System (lots of quests and wild things to do the city is very living!), the Sieging, the Scenarios, the PQ's, Lairs, hidden quests....oh the mass of things to do..I shall be very busy the rest of this year.

Originally posted by elvenangel

*eats some popcorn while everyone continues to feed the troll* I've been watching you guys for nearly two weeks feed this guy ammunition he must be loving every moment of the attention so I suppose I can add to it.

WAR has so much more going for it than the lame Carrot Stick Raids of WoW and the useless RP features of Lord of the Rings.  Don't get me wrong LoTRO has alot going for it and its the perfect setting for some fantasy RP but this is WAR ... Warhammer ... set in a time of a Great War I mean honestly do we need to run around worrying about what our hair styles are like?  Besides not even Lord of the Rings had alot of their great RP features at launch who's to say that WAR might not add something like that in later on?  Asking for everything and a bag of chips results in alot of crap not workign at launch that needs to while the fluff works.

WAR is an Achiever's dream game with the ToK.  Not only does it track kills, deaths and discoveries but it unlocks a ton of stuff over time.   You can earn unique cloaks, pocket items (trophy like items for pocket slots, yes those 'bag' slots on your toons paper doll screen are trophy slots *gasp*), trophies, tactics, and more.  None of these items are achievable over night either.

WAR's pvp system is fantastic...there's been such lame gank or worthless pvp in MMOs for years.  There's plenty of CC in WAR its just not the I make you unable to play yoru toon forever CC which is completely over powered and hated by most pvpers.  Who honestly finds it fun to stay stun locked and die?  Sure the scenarios are nothing fancy at Tier one...but as you go up in levels they get more complicated and wild to boot.  The Open RvR is the pure cake though...by Tier 2 you see your first keep and its incredibly important for you to have that keep as the Renown Vendors will only appear in the Keeps at Tier 2 and above. 

The list is kinda huge..there's achievements out the wazzu, public fantastically huge dungeons (i've seen one they're awsome as hell blows WoW's craptastic ones away in my opinion), the Renown System, the Guild System, the City System (lots of quests and wild things to do the city is very living!), the Sieging, the Scenarios, the PQ's, Lairs, hidden quests....oh the mass of things to do..I shall be very busy the rest of this year.

 

Euhhh....

WAR is published now. well, as good as , so no need to have the heavy smoke signals around the new game. It's not a hyped myth anymore.

It's playable: everyone should play and look for themselves.

The things like "awesome and hell blows Wow's crap... etc" are useless.

You only make things worse by this, because everyone will have an opinion in playing it and the more hype the more people will expect.

It's not the second coming of Christ nor the third. Better hope for some good subscriptions before the next hype comes around. The one with the billion dollar budget.

But discussions can be closed now. Boxes are (almost) on the shelves and you can' t do a thing about it.

Originally posted by memoir

 

Euhhh....

WAR is published now. well, as good as , so no need to have the heavy smoke signals around the new game. It's not a hyped myth anymore.

It's playable: everyone should play and look for themselves.

The things like "awesome and hell blows Wow's crap... etc" are useless.

You only make things worse by this, because everyone will have an opinion in playing it and the more hype the more people will expect.

It's not the second coming of Christ nor the third. Better hope for some good subscriptions before the next hype comes around. The one with the billion dollar budget.

But discussions can be closed now. Boxes are (almost) on the shelves and you can' t do a thing about it.

 

Your ability to comprehend astounds me...i guess you missed what I said...I said I don't give a flying flip I'm adding to the fray for the hell of it because Fingis is a Troll he's been Trolling for two weeks now.  So STFU  thank you come again.  (yes the bitch is back).
 

Originally posted by fingis

I wanted LOTRO's RP stuff, the story line, the lore, the music, and the outfits.

I wanted WoW's raiding, WoW's PvP features, stealth, fear, feign death, charge, blink and so on.

WoW and LOTRO's execellent PvE questing.

And WAR's RvR.

I expected WAR to have all this.

Why does WAR have so little? People keep telling me that minimalism is good. I don't see it. I expect more from a new game, not less that games that are four years old.

Wow has a good system but I'm not looking for that in my next game. With that said, I was looking for Warhammer to have features like wow, because well everything I've read or seen on it reminds me of wow. Hell, they threw ideas at blizzard and blizzard stole the ideas. When I got in, it was a different story thank God and it was really enjoyable. Could have been better, but it's fun. At least will keep my attention until aion or darkfall release, then we'll see how those go.

Games are always overhyped and you never know how they are. You can even watch videos and that still doesn't really show you how the game is. Not until you are actually playing it and realize how it is. I think half of us if not more are wanting to see a game with HD Graphics. I mean come on let's face it, we get a lcd tv for hd and nice quality. We get that ps3 or 360 for better graphics, newer games  = better graphics and = better gameplay. The way the world is going, graphics are becoming everything with television and gaming. It's all about being clearer, cleaner, and more appealing to the eye.

I am still hoping for a game that has HD Quality graphics. Graphics aren't everything but they sure can make a game enjoyable if you have the system to run it.

It would be so nice to get into a game and be able to play High Quality HD settings which makes the game a 180 in graphics from the shitty graphics it starts out at. That way, everyone can play it. But, that would be hard to do I'm sure. =/ Hope something like this comes in the near future.

Just keep leveling in Warhammer. After level 11, it gets alot more fun.

P.S. LOTRO SUCKS. Wasted 50.00 when it was released. Enough said. =)

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 

Wow has a good system but I'm not looking for that in my next game. With that said, I was looking for Warhammer to have features like wow, because well everything I've read or seen on it reminds me of wow. Hell, they threw ideas at blizzard and blizzard stole the ideas. When I got in, it was a different story thank God and it was really enjoyable. Could have been better, but it's fun. At least will keep my attention until aion or darkfall release, then we'll see how those go.

Games are always overhyped and you never know how they are. You can even watch videos and that still doesn't really show you how the game is. Not until you are actually playing it and realize how it is. I think half of us if not more are wanting to see a game with HD Graphics. I mean come on let's face it, we get a lcd tv for hd and nice quality. We get that ps3 or 360 for better graphics, newer games  = better graphics and = better gameplay. The way the world is going, graphics are becoming everything with television and gaming. It's all about being clearer, cleaner, and more appealing to the eye.

 

I am still hoping for a game that has HD Quality graphics. Graphics aren't everything but they sure can make a game enjoyable if you have the system to run it.

 

It would be so nice to get into a game and be able to play High Quality HD settings which makes the game a 180 in graphics from the shitty graphics it starts out at. That way, everyone can play it. But, that would be hard to do I'm sure. =/ Hope something like this comes in the near future.

 

Just keep leveling in Warhammer. After level 11, it gets alot more fun.

P.S. LOTRO SUCKS. Wasted 50.00 when it was released. Enough said. =)

Even a mere 3 months after the launch of AoC, people still don't understand why "HQ HD" s(sic) can't be delivered in MMORPG's.

I will not go a 476795th time to explain why this can't be done. Just say this: you can't have them in MMORPG's and let the braincells work for once why it can't be done.

Yeh the games combat system is totaly off and the classes need to be totaly redone to fix this.