Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by memoir

I am just happy I can play now with a game, and not battling the Wow hate of a hyped myth. Because you can't play a myth.

 

 

Huh?  What do you mean 'not battling the Wow hate of a hyped myth.  Because you can't play a myth.'?

WoW hate doesn't come from any one game.  It comes from MMO vets who can't stand:

a) How linear it is.

b) How there is NO World PvP.

c) An end game that consists of: Endless gear grind via repeatable raiding, and repeatable arcade style PvP where you can't even advance or experience in a fun manner until you are at cap.

d) Boring linear quest based mostly solo advancement from 1-69 where the fun of item c in this list starts.

Like I said: we finally all can play WAR now - everybody happy - it's no longer a hyped myth - it is published. Everybody can see it, feel it and play it.

Comments don't matter even.

But apparently you can't get over the trauma.

yeah how fun was WoW level 1-10?  it was boring with no pvp no PQ just running around by urself doing quests.

Originally posted by labg11

Originally posted by Zoulz

...pretty much looks the same. I have only played rank 1-10 though, but comparing with the almighty wow you can start customizing your avatar early. Almost every piece of equipment has at least different texturing...

 

 

Oh pleaseeeee, wow is the biggest clone fest gathering ever..... i just laughed so freakign much, at that sentence, hell it was like hearing a politician meeting, gosh, when you know someone is lying to your face and he just keep doing it.

anyhow... cheers.

But it's true... what am I lying about?

Originally posted by Honeymoon69

yeah how fun was WoW level 1-10?  it was boring with no pvp no PQ just running around by urself doing quests.

I actually think it was very fun. It's the first impressions that hook you.

WoW gets a lot of free advertising from threads like this.

People will say, 'why is everyone so emo over WoW?'

They'll notice it has a 10 day free trial. They'll try it out and forget about WAR.

I don't like the fact that it's again a Wow-WAR war over here.

That wasn't the meaning (really !!!). I hope you believe me all.

I hate those mindless Wow hate posts. I think you should compare WAR with AoC and I think it is the better game in gameplay value. But the best would have been indeed a mix of the two.

I think a lot of the wow players will head on back to their amusement park of constant appeasement; many of their complaints will be the same...claims of overpowered classes and poor performance (i.e. "floating" or "lagging") -- they'll go back to their e-machines and constant class nerf/tweaks to stop the pre-pubescent QQ posts on the wow forums.

This should be good =)

Originally posted by fingis

WoW gets a lot of free advertising from threads like this.

People will say, 'why is everyone so emo over WoW?'

They'll notice it has a 10 day free trial. They'll try it out and forget about WAR.

You aren't going to find hardly anyone here reading this that hasn't at some point played WoW or already made up their mind about it.  

WoW never was, and never will be recruiting the majority of its customers from MMORPG players. Almost every dedicated WoW player I know and knew was a non-MMORPG player before.

People joined in knowing Diablo(2), coming from RTS, console, even people that were not familiar with online gaming at all joined WoW. And I don't pull this out of my behind, you can clearly see it by the lack of any significant subscriber loss at the competing games during the WoW times. Sure, some really old ones like EQ have fallen in numbers, but overall, WoW players are not MMORPG-players...

Simple truth... so coming up with WoW as an issue here won't get the game any more subs. Word-of-mouth in middle-schools and equivalents around the world will... definitely..

If I look around and watch closely WHO actually plays Wo W continuously, it's ages 14-19 with a history of FPS, RTS or console... F2P MMOs at most...

Meridion

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by fingis

WoW gets a lot of free advertising from threads like this.

People will say, 'why is everyone so emo over WoW?'

They'll notice it has a 10 day free trial. They'll try it out and forget about WAR.

 

You aren't going to find hardly anyone here reading this that hasn't at some point played WoW or already made up their mind about it.  

If you have a computer, odds are you have played WoW.  I liked it for a few months, then the monotony got to me.

Originally posted by Xennith

 My opinion is that your opinion is wrong.

 Quoted for epicness

Originally posted by memoir

I don't like the fact that it's again a Wow-WAR war over here.

That wasn't the meaning (really !!!). I hope you believe me all.

I hate those mindless Wow hate posts. I think you should compare WAR with AoC and I think it is the better game in gameplay value. But the best would have been indeed a mix of the two.

 

 

 

Excuse me but I dont believe you. Why? Well I have seen many of your posts bashing War, while you havent even tried it... now that you try it (not even sure if you did) you are bashing it in a "mature" way with your review.

I'm no War fanboy... nor a Wow hater, I played Wow yes I enjoyed it, I overplayed it and now want something fresh, something different. I've found it in War... this is the first time I am enjoying all the classes I try from the first few lvls. I'm not gonna tell you War rules so play it.

What I am gonna tell you is stop posting this "mature" reviews while you said crap all day about War without even knowing anything... hell I remember your post about telling Mythic devs liers cause the rogue global cooldown in Wow is 1.0 secs instead of 1.5 secs. Are you an idiot?

Stop trying to act mature... we all know how you are... play whatever you want I don't care.

Hope you have fun.

Originally posted by Takuto

 

Excuse me but I dont believe you. Why? Well I have seen many of your posts bashing War, while you havent even tried it... now that you try it (not even sure if you did) you are bashing it in a "mature" way with your review.

I'm no War fanboy... nor a Wow hater, I played Wow yes I enjoyed it, I overplayed it and now want something fresh, something different. I've found it in War... this is the first time I am enjoying all the classes I try from the first few lvls. I'm not gonna tell you War rules so play it.

What I am gonna tell you is stop posting this "mature" reviews while you said crap all day about War without even knowing anything... hell I remember your post about telling Mythic devs liers cause the rogue global cooldown in Wow is 1.0 secs instead of 1.5 secs. Are you an idiot?

Stop trying to act mature... we all know how you are... play whatever you want I don't care.

Hope you have fun.

Exactly: War is on the shelves and everyone can see, feel and play the game now.

I see the Wow hate then and I see the Wow hate now. Because it's based on useless and meaningless 4 letter words.

And BTW the GCD was indeed changed to be adaptable in patch 2.4 for all classes (just like the rogue had 1.0 sec in GCD for ages).. The fact nobody accepted this, was proof of hyping and believeing the very word of God (Paul) almighty.

But you can't argue over a myth can you.

We now see the almighty "next coming of Jesus" in real life and we all can see it.

Shouldn't be a problem at all. .... or should it ?

I am so glad this period is over and out. Everyone can see for themselves now. Just play.

Originally posted by memoir

Originally posted by Takuto

 

Excuse me but I dont believe you. Why? Well I have seen many of your posts bashing War, while you havent even tried it... now that you try it (not even sure if you did) you are bashing it in a "mature" way with your review.

I'm no War fanboy... nor a Wow hater, I played Wow yes I enjoyed it, I overplayed it and now want something fresh, something different. I've found it in War... this is the first time I am enjoying all the classes I try from the first few lvls. I'm not gonna tell you War rules so play it.

What I am gonna tell you is stop posting this "mature" reviews while you said crap all day about War without even knowing anything... hell I remember your post about telling Mythic devs liers cause the rogue global cooldown in Wow is 1.0 secs instead of 1.5 secs. Are you an idiot?

Stop trying to act mature... we all know how you are... play whatever you want I don't care.

Hope you have fun.

 

Exactly: War is on the shelves and everyone can see, feel and play the game now.

I see the Wow hate then and I see the Wow hate now. Because its based on useless and meaningless 4 letter words.

And BTW the GCD was indeed changed to be adaptable in patch 2.4 for all classes (just like the rogue had 1.0 sec in GCD for ages).. The fact nobody accepted this, was proof of hyping and believeing the very word of God (Paul) almighty.

But you can't argue over a myth can you.

We now see the almighty "next coming of Jesus" in real life and we all can see it.

Shouldn't be a problem at all. .... or should it ?

 

 

 

I am so glad this period is over and out. Everyone can see for themselves now. Just play.

Then why were you bashing it in lots of your previews posts when you still couldn't see it?

Originally posted by Takuto

 

Then why were you bashing it in lots of your previews posts when you still couldn't see it?

First : I never bashed WAR. I don't hate games (sickening).

Secondly: you were all believing the hype of a myth. You can't argue against a myth.

Third: Hype is closed now because the game has gone gold and playable.

Apparently....

... the only ones having problems with that are the same guys who rocketed it through the roof 4 weeks ago.

Game is out now. Myth is gone. Stop blowing the smoke around it.

Originally posted by fingis

WoW gets a lot of free advertising from threads like this.

People will say, 'why is everyone so emo over WoW?'

They'll notice it has a 10 day free trial. They'll try it out and forget about WAR.

WOW has a free 10 day trial? See Ya WAR !

Originally posted by Eunuchmaker

Meh, to each his own.  Although the hyple-level meter was at 7.42 or so before open beta, it's at 7.35 now. 

The scores for all the games dropped. I think they might have culled very old votes.

Originally posted by memoir

Oh Boy.

Oh Boy ... first impressions.

Some day I may need to do a complete review of this game. But ... honestly. I don't get it anymore. Perhaps playing too many MMO's lately. Far too critical and far too much Wow playing I suppose.

But the game is stable. That I can say. Only 1 time crash in 4 hours playing. And the fact I played for 3 hours and managed to get to 6 ( - I know - you can't possibly judge a game completely by level 6).

But ... sorry for the fan boys/girls it won't be the new "IT" in MMORPG's. What's lacking?

Well let's say you play WITH an Avatar, you are NOT your avatar. The character floats over the landscape, you are not IN the landscape.

In fact you're not IN a world it seems. I had the exact same feeling with Tabula Rasa. There is stress, there is this kind of running everywhere, but you're not IN a MMORPG world.

Cause? I think its the graphics and the general programming. It is lacking. Animation and movement of the avatar is NOT better than LOTRO. And that game suffered from it.

Saying the game is the same as Wow.... couldn't be further from the truth....

In "that" game when you approach an enemy camp, you feel it, mobs react, danger surrounds you. You are IN that camp in that world. In WAR I don't get that feeling. My character is there but everything around it isn't 'done right". Mobs don't react like they should be, you hardly ever see things as 3D world experience.

I will certainly play it in the next month and perhaps even beyond. But WAR won't stay on mosts HD very long I am afraid.

No need to react to this and say things like go away to fucking XXX etc.

Not needed . The only thing is that it is sad really. Another lost opportunity in a very small field of qualtity MMORPG's.

Opinions don't even matter. Just be sure the game won't get those 1 million subs. THAT I know after playing it for a few hours (too much MMORPG tested and played these last years).

Played 5 scenarios, did the quests, particpated in the first PQ (and even got loot in 8th position killing that beautiful giant on the third level- good design btw)., but the game isn't touching anything we haven't seen before done better on the micro scale (and believe me that counts for most). 

So this is not my final review. But a first impression and it doesn't score above TR or AoC content wise. It IS more stable and has better play value than AoC, but not much.

PvP is very odd at the moment. No one speaks. It's one group bashin another group and the bigger group wins. First scenario is weak: respawns at your camp: taking the same techniques after 3 playing already.

No this is just a first impression, so I should stop rambling I know, but it won't be a long term interest for most.

 

I can't take this pile seriously. I've read your posts, your opinions. You made up your mind LONG before you even laid eyes on it. And with that, your drawn conclusion, you went ingame. What happens then, is basically you looking up every single small detail that is wrong with the game (based on your biased opinion) and posting it yet AGAIN on this forum.

Seriously, if WAR doesnt draw you into the atmosphere, WoW surely won't either. Judging by what you just posted (and your previous posts), all you did was prove that you are what people here would claim to be a "WoW-Fanboi". And damn you for making me say that.

actually the WAR fans started the whole WAR vs WoW discussion in this thread, and altho every review/impressions are at least a bit subjective i must say its a fair mini-review, there are enough valid points

the whole "dont judge the game at lvl 6" is a weak excuse, first there are only 40 lvls in war so he aint that quick with his impressions, also why bother playing a game for several hours until it CAN start to get fun? a game has to grab u from the very first lvls, it can always get better later on but if its a real mess the first lvls the other lvls wont be magically a blast

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by memoir

Oh Boy.

Oh Boy ... first impressions.

Some day I may need to do a complete review of this game. But ... honestly. I don't get it anymore. Perhaps playing too many MMO's lately. Far too critical and far too much Wow playing I suppose.

But the game is stable. That I can say. Only 1 time crash in 4 hours playing. And the fact I played for 3 hours and managed to get to 6 ( - I know - you can't possibly judge a game completely by level 6).

But ... sorry for the fan boys/girls it won't be the new "IT" in MMORPG's. What's lacking?

Well let's say you play WITH an Avatar, you are NOT your avatar. The character floats over the landscape, you are not IN the landscape.

In fact you're not IN a world it seems. I had the exact same feeling with Tabula Rasa. There is stress, there is this kind of running everywhere, but you're not IN a MMORPG world.

Cause? I think its the graphics and the general programming. It is lacking. Animation and movement of the avatar is NOT better than LOTRO. And that game suffered from it.

Saying the game is the same as Wow.... couldn't be further from the truth....

In "that" game when you approach an enemy camp, you feel it, mobs react, danger surrounds you. You are IN that camp in that world. In WAR I don't get that feeling. My character is there but everything around it isn't 'done right". Mobs don't react like they should be, you hardly ever see things as 3D world experience.

I will certainly play it in the next month and perhaps even beyond. But WAR won't stay on mosts HD very long I am afraid.

No need to react to this and say things like go away to fucking XXX etc.

Not needed . The only thing is that it is sad really. Another lost opportunity in a very small field of qualtity MMORPG's.

Opinions don't even matter. Just be sure the game won't get those 1 million subs. THAT I know after playing it for a few hours (too much MMORPG tested and played these last years).

Played 5 scenarios, did the quests, particpated in the first PQ (and even got loot in 8th position killing that beautiful giant on the third level- good design btw)., but the game isn't touching anything we haven't seen before done better on the micro scale (and believe me that counts for most). 

So this is not my final review. But a first impression and it doesn't score above TR or AoC content wise. It IS more stable and has better play value than AoC, but not much.

PvP is very odd at the moment. No one speaks. It's one group bashin another group and the bigger group wins. First scenario is weak: respawns at your camp: taking the same techniques after 3 playing already.

No this is just a first impression, so I should stop rambling I know, but it won't be a long term interest for most.

 

 

I can't take this pile seriously. I've read your posts, your opinions. You made up your mind LONG before you even laid eyes on it. And with that, your drawn conclusion, you went ingame. What happens then, is basically you looking up every single small detail that is wrong with the game (based on your biased opinion) and posting it yet AGAIN on this forum.

Seriously, if WAR doesnt draw you into the atmosphere, WoW surely won't either. Judging by what you just posted (and your previous posts), all you did was prove that you are what people here would claim to be a "WoW-Fanboi". And damn you for making me say that.

If I would have looked up "every single small detail that is wrong", I should  have written a complete other report.

Like : "when a house is on fire and you need to free the people inside it... you can open a door, but you can't enter the house... " that's called odd surroundings and not very good finishing touches.

or when you need to attack the enemy artillery and you see a few dozens of mages standing there, apparently without much purpose but standing there, 'that's called mob intelligence".

BUT I would NOT like to go into these , because it doesn't even matter to me. it's trivial.

I posted what I saw . Nothing more  - nothing less. Opinions don't even matter much at this stage.

Game's out. Try it.