Originally posted by randomt

Love how our europian brethren cry foul when an American product turns out to be slightly problematic when exported to europe.

WAR would fail if it failed on the home front, where it's main market is... North America.

Europe just has to be patient while the product goes through the export process, thats all. Like most other products on the market, be it movies or gadgets or games or whatnot.

Same goes for Europe products being exported to North America.. no doubt if Darkfall ever came out us north americans would have our own export issues to deal with, to give an example.

 

Sorry but I dissagree there mate, the IP is a British property and its main fan base is in Europe. The game may have been made in the US but its a much bigger deal over here than in the US. People in europe grew up with Warhammer and Warhammer 40k. The fan base over here with all Europeans combined is bigger than the US market. If it fails here it fails in the US, simple as that. With only prob half the subscriber base in the US if it dont take here then it fades away to be another almost WoW killer.

Personally I'm having a blast and think the game will be a big hit, no WoW killer but amongst the top 5 MMO's out there. Everyone needs to hope that the games launch over here goes well because there are a lot of Warhammer fans over here waiting to see how this pans out.

Originally posted by Janus35

Originally posted by randomt

Love how our europian brethren cry foul when an American product turns out to be slightly problematic when exported to europe.

WAR would fail if it failed on the home front, where it's main market is... North America.

Europe just has to be patient while the product goes through the export process, thats all. Like most other products on the market, be it movies or gadgets or games or whatnot.

Same goes for Europe products being exported to North America.. no doubt if Darkfall ever came out us north americans would have our own export issues to deal with, to give an example.

 

 

Sorry but I dissagree there mate, the IP is a British property and its main fan base is in Europe. The game may have been made in the US but its a much bigger deal over here than in the US. People in europe grew up with Warhammer and Warhammer 40k. The fan base over here with all Europeans combined is bigger than the US market. If it fails here it fails in the US, simple as that. With only prob half the subscriber base in the US if it dont take here then it fades away to be another almost WoW killer.

Personally I'm having a blast and think the game will be a big hit, no WoW killer but amongst the top 5 MMO's out there. Everyone needs to hope that the games launch over here goes well because there are a lot of Warhammer fans over here waiting to see how this pans out.

Random thought, though yes Games Workshop is based in the UK... you realize... us "stupid" americans have been playing just as long, and the manufacturing/production for most of the models comes out of Memphis here in the US... right?

Kinda of silly to say WAR won't be as popular in America just because of were the lore originates.

Considering the lore for about 99% of the MMOs available comes from Europes side of the planet. 

I'd say the Asian market is what makes WoW top dog. 

Failed? Ok first of it hasn't even released... what kind of a ridiculous assumption is that? Secondly, I think it's a great game, and RvR is freakishly fun for me. With a few fixes here and there this game will really shine. 

Originally posted by uidLuc1d

 

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by uidLuc1d

 

 

War failed with me when they announced the monthly pricing for EU servers which is 25% more than warcraft,aoc,lotro and all games at that price and about 20% more than all SoE game servers. Secondly, that they had gone with GOA (yet again).

Status - £8.99 (inc v.a.t) but only able to play on EU servers (world of warcraft, Age of conan, Lord of the Rings Online, Pirates of the burning sea + others.

£9.49 (inc v.a.t) and able to play on both US and EU servers - Everquest 1 and 2, Vanguard + a couple of others.

Warhammer - £10.31 (exc v.a.t from what i have been told thusfar) so add another 17.5% onto that (UK or any country that pays v.a.t) and you are only able to play on EU servers. With it being also GOA, it has completly put me off, i have had my chance to get into the beta but i didnt take it, why should i. i am not going to pay that price and get a real shitty service.

US servers seem to be absolutly great and going well from all the feedback reports so far, however EU servers have had the worst start in subscriptional based mmo's ever from all reports.

Still, i may have bitten if they had stayed at the standard price with all the others (£8.99) especially with the economy being in the shit as it currently is.

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Originally posted by duffalpha

Originally posted by markyturnip

Originally posted by uidLuc1d

 

 

Cool, just what this forum needed. Yet another troll thread. Instead of locking these threads start perma-banning trolls for creating these things.

Originally posted by Dhaeman

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Originally posted by butters88

Failed? Ok first of it hasn't even released... what kind of a ridiculous assumption is that? Secondly, I think it's a great game, and RvR is freakishly fun for me. With a few fixes here and there this game will really shine. 

The problem is..

Person A states an opinion because it obviously isn't fact.  However, for person A that opinion is 100% fact as its a personal statement made on a subjective material.

You being person B don't agree.. so again your point of view is 100% fact for *you*.

Beyond that there really isn't any point in discussing it...  because if A and B don't agree they certainly aren't going to change the point of view .. each other has.

The game should sell at least as many boxes as AoC (which is a lot regardless of how anyone feels about AoC.. ya I quit too but.. it sold very well).

I just personally don't think it has the long term gameplay... of DAoC even.

In fact to make it short since this thread is all opinions.. this is what I see when I look at WAR...

1) DAoC was better for RvR... hardcore or at least long term DAoC players don't really have an incentive to go to WAR (other than the fact that DAoC is fairly dead now).

2) WoW players have... WoW...

So what exactly is the market they are looking for?

Beyond that... again goes back to the play factor and the long term play factor... most MMO's take a few years to actually generate profit... Do you see yourself playing WAR for the next 5 years? as an example.

Originally posted by SeniorGothi

Sad to say it but it's true, just like Vanguard before it the 'Next Big Thing' has burned out not with a bang but with a whimper... and before the release date as well. Mythic have made the biggest mistake of their lives going with GOA - now 50% of their playerbase is completely disillusioned with them and a great game with a great franchise behind it, one that COULD have easily contested with WoW is the laughing stock of the industry.

IMO, WAR was the last hope against WoW, and it has completely failed. Looks like there will be no big changes in the MMO world any time soon.

Uhmmm.... Vanguard was actually going to be something new. Warhammer was never going to be something radically new. Its an improved version of Warcraft and DAoC mixed together. And it hasn't failed in that regard.

i whant  age  or brain restriction for pointless topics ......Hell children pls don't post if you not know how to writ? a good argument for somthing.Things like this sucks because I don't like are too selfish,learn to play games, were acctually your are trying to use your brain cells ,not pointless clicking..

I don't whant you to play WH pls stay at your wow or L2 and grind till you die and don't bother with  things you can't understand.I can see it's too hard for you...

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by TheSheikh

People like you have completely skewed my opinion of European gamers over the last 48 hours.

Stop whining about not getting your free cookie two weeks early, your starting to sound like an American.

 

How about we stop generalizing by race altogether, it is getting seriously old. If you want to generalize put people into categories such as hardcore gamer, casual gamer. Each of those two have their share of whiners/trolls. 

I am so sick of hearing American this.. American that. The problems you claim are always American are ever present in each and every dang country on this Earth.

Sorry for the late replies, but I would like to point out that I DID say European "GAMERS."

Originally posted by Rytif

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by TheSheikh

People like you have completely skewed my opinion of European gamers over the last 48 hours.

Stop whining about not getting your free cookie two weeks early, your starting to sound like an American.

 

How about we stop generalizing by race altogether, it is getting seriously old. If you want to generalize put people into categories such as hardcore gamer, casual gamer. Each of those two have their share of whiners/trolls. 

I am so sick of hearing American this.. American that. The problems you claim are always American are ever present in each and every dang country on this Earth.

 

For the sake of the topic, I'm an American.

 

Nah, you're not an American. You don't deserve it, sorry. Move along.

Care to explain why that is so?

Or are you just here to toss out a quick comment so that you can be part of the arguement?.

Why WAR won't fail:

Unlike Vanguard, AOC, POTBS, etc. (other games i've played this year), WAR does one thing for me that makes it a winner:

ITS ADDICTIVE!  I WANT TO RUSH HOME AND PLAY IT!  Thats a good sign and a feeling I didn't get with other releases the past few years.  (also a feeling I DID get with W.O.W.)

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by SeniorGothi

Sad to say it but it's true, just like Vanguard before it the 'Next Big Thing' has burned out not with a bang but with a whimper... and before the release date as well. Mythic have made the biggest mistake of their lives going with GOA - now 50% of their playerbase is completely disillusioned with them and a great game with a great franchise behind it, one that COULD have easily contested with WoW is the laughing stock of the industry.

IMO, WAR was the last hope against WoW, and it has completely failed. Looks like there will be no big changes in the MMO world any time soon.

 

Uhmmm.... Vanguard was actually going to be something new. Warhammer was never going to be something radically new. Its an improved version of Warcraft and DAoC mixed together. And it hasn't failed in that regard.

Exactly. Vanguard was trying a lot of new concepts and ideas, although the core gameplay was the same as most MMOs. With Warhammer, they are blending DAoC gameplay with World of Warcraft accessibility... nothing new. WAR is a very fun game to play, but it's not a new or revolutionary step in the MMO genre.

Originally posted by Naero

Originally posted by wh0astar

You guys are lame.. giving bad reviews on the game that hasn't been launched yet.. I've been playing the OB.. and I don't see there's anything to complain about. Some lag in certain areas are to be expected but other than that, it's a fucking neat game. RvR is so much fun. I'm not one to compare a game to another.. cuz it's frankly simple; if I don't like it.. I wouldn't play it. If you don't like it, just shut up about it and delete the game.. and play what you like best. Isn't that fairly easy? Gee, I think so.

Right.  And people like you will plunk down hard earned $$ on a game that isnt finished yet. Which makes you an enabler to unaceptable business practices that seem to be the norm in the mmo market. This game will release on the 18th.  Its 1/2 a game to start wirth. Classes are repeats of other classes. I mean change the icon.....rename the ability...its the same damn ability..not just some abilities, the entire class/tree. They created mirror immages of classes to make it look like thers more there than there is. Im sorry if i bash the game before its released.  I KNOW there is now way to make this a presentable finished product by the 18th.  And im angry because it has so much potential. They need to push back release...go back to closed beta and make it work. But they wont..and you all will buy it anyways in hopes that eventually they will work out the kinks.

1) Excuse me? People like me? You have no right to assume. You don't even know who I am.  I haven't even bought the game. I got the OB key for free. MAYBE I will buy it , that's the point of trying the game out first.. Most games are expected to have bugs here and there. Most games were released at launch with something a person doesn't like in it. You're typical like others. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME OUT THERE; SOMEONE LIKE YOU have to BLLLLLAAAAAH some negativity about the game of any kind; and you know what's funny? They talk shit; yet the play the game because they know in the back of their minds that no one would find out what they're really doing. Haha. I bet you're playing the game right now with pleasure. You just want to be viewed as a downright asshole on the forums.

2) What MMO doesn't have repeatable classes in nearly every one?

3) Thanks for your fantastic review. Have a nice day, jackass!

Originally posted by wh0astar

Originally posted by Naero

Originally posted by wh0astar

You guys are lame.. giving bad reviews on the game that hasn't been launched yet.. I've been playing the OB.. and I don't see there's anything to complain about. Some lag in certain areas are to be expected but other than that, it's a fucking neat game. RvR is so much fun. I'm not one to compare a game to another.. cuz it's frankly simple; if I don't like it.. I wouldn't play it. If you don't like it, just shut up about it and delete the game.. and play what you like best. Isn't that fairly easy? Gee, I think so.

Right.  And people like you will plunk down hard earned $$ on a game that isnt finished yet. Which makes you an enabler to unaceptable business practices that seem to be the norm in the mmo market. This game will release on the 18th.  Its 1/2 a game to start wirth. Classes are repeats of other classes. I mean change the icon.....rename the ability...its the same damn ability..not just some abilities, the entire class/tree. They created mirror immages of classes to make it look like thers more there than there is. Im sorry if i bash the game before its released.  I KNOW there is now way to make this a presentable finished product by the 18th.  And im angry because it has so much potential. They need to push back release...go back to closed beta and make it work. But they wont..and you all will buy it anyways in hopes that eventually they will work out the kinks.

 

1) Excuse me? People like me? You have no right to assume. You don't even know who I am.  I haven't even bought the game. I got the OB key for free. MAYBE I will buy it , that's the point of trying the game out first.. Most games are expected to have bugs here and there. Most games were released at launch with something a person doesn't like in it. You're typical like others. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME OUT THERE; SOMEONE LIKE YOU have to BLLLLLAAAAAH some negativity about the game of any kind; and you know what's funny? They talk shit; yet the play the game because they know in the back of their minds that no one would find out what they're really doing. Haha. I bet you're playing the game right now with pleasure. You just want to be viewed as a downright asshole on the forums.

2) What MMO doesn't have repeatable classes in nearly every one?

3) Thanks for your fantastic review. Have a nice day, jackass!

Originally posted by SeniorGothi

Sad to say it but it's true, just like Vanguard before it the 'Next Big Thing' has burned out not with a bang but with a whimper... and before the release date as well. Mythic have made the biggest mistake of their lives going with GOA - now 50% of their playerbase is completely disillusioned with them and a great game with a great franchise behind it, one that COULD have easily contested with WoW is the laughing stock of the industry.

IMO, WAR was the last hope against WoW, and it has completely failed. Looks like there will be no big changes in the MMO world any time soon.

Hell I coulda told you that months ago.

Sigh. Its amazing how dumb people are.

Can't see GOA from Chantilly Virginia...

WAR is the first game that I have played which has left me feeling that this is a game that can compete with WOW.

After only playing the beta for a day it has impressed me greatly. It has that hidden secret ingredient that wants you to play more

Originally posted by Arathor

Originally posted by Dedthom

Originally posted by Arathor

IMO WOTC made a mistake by chosing such a comparitively small developer such as Mythic to develop a game for such a HUGE license. (Yes, 'Warhammer' is bigger than 'Warcraft' and thus should in theory sell loads more) And Mythic made a massive mistake by chosing such an incompetant company as GOA to host it for Europe.

Ah well, here's hoping KOTORO will dethrone WoW.

 

Who?

 

Wizards of the Coast, the people who own Warhammer.

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