I tried Ryzom back in the day. I don't like the setting at all.

Hehe, i love people going to flame war for a game they didn't liked.

Any game where you are having fun is a good game.

Ryzom is perfect for me, while other titles didn't got my attention. I liked some other title but i cannot play always the same 'soup', without originaly, without 'hearth'. That are most of last releases and will be WAR, a modernized clone of DaoC. That's my opinion.

I never found another living ecosystem in *any* MMo i played that can match Ryzom.

Also, I'm not sure you really know the game, anyway just stay away, we don't need people that love flaming.

It's not worth my time despite the "free".

         Its funny you hear people complain constantly how all the MMOs are too much like WoW/EQ1 then when there is a game different from those people cant handle it saying its too complex or some other lame excuse......We see alot of players in game trying to play Ryzom as if it was WoW....."wheres the dungeons", "i cant do such and such quest", "what level am I", etc etc etc......So many players have had their hand held in MMOs for so long that they cant think on their own anymore......I see alot come into Ryzom thinking they know everything and that they dont have to read the quests or pay attention when other players are giving them advice and they struggle mightily......The game is far from perfect but it is much more challenging than a great majority of MMos......The problem most people will have with Ryzom is you have to work at your skills and there aren't preset classes......A game like Ryzom will probably struggle as P2P because its simply too complex for too many in todays MMO market....The majority want an extremely easy game with uber loot that plays just like WoW does.....

I never played pre-CU SWG, but I heard that comparison very, very often, from newcommers and veterans alike. So no, it's definitely not so crazy.

For those saying that "the game is rubbish and that's why it should remain F2P" I beg you to either inform yourselves about the previous owner's lack of management skills or leave this section of the MMORPG.com boards alone, thank you very much. I doubt it would have raised so quick and so high in the MMORPG.com's rate chart if it was of such a poor quality. Higher than WoW, even with its low population, even with those that didn't really like the game. That tells a lot.

If people want to play WoW or an upgraded re-skin of  WoW, they will find themselves very lost in Ryzom. It is NORMAL. They will probably find out that it isn't the game for them. It is normal as well. I wouldn't be mad at them if they just uninstalled their client and went on with their business. But coming here to say that the game is bad when they just happened to not like it because it didn't fit THEIR definition of what an MMO should be just makes me want to stamp them with a "TROLL" red iron.

Is it normal, doctor ?

The previous two posters have made some very valid points here. The only reason ryzom is currently F2P is because it's in a testing phase clearing out bugs and getting everything running smoothly for the official relaunch (no date on that).

Ryzom is a complicated game and for that reason I love it. The fact that I can edit and create my own skills is brilliant. I'm always adjusting my skills to adopt the current situation. If you don't want to spend the time getting each skill just right for you, you can simply drag and drop the default ones to your skill bar.

As already mentioned the previous owners where... well completely retarded IMO and totally assed up the game. The new owners have done an excellent job so far at not making unrealistic promises and actually getting things done, far quicker than expected.

This thread seems to be full of a lot of flamers, some of which I have seen trolling a lot of other threads. I have seen a lot of new players and tones of positive feed back from them. Ryzom is rising in the ranks of hype on MMORPG.com so the game must be doing something right!

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Lasastard

I think Ryzom is certainly one of the better MMOs. But as others said, it's not going to stay f2p - not for long, anyway.

And the reason why not everybody is "all over this", is that the game is not as intuitive to play as say WoW. You need to read the tutorials to actually understand what you are doing (like creating your own spells and crafting etc). Being a sandbox, it does not tell you how to play per se - which most people expect and want. Also, it has been around for a long time already - many have tested it previously and found it unappealing, or don't care for the art direction, or whatever. Unlike a newly released title, there is simply no hype for ryzom (which is what gets most people to try a game, I suppose).

Personally, I find it refreshing and hope that it will be able to stay afloat this time around.

 

I disagree with the position that Ryzom is one of the better MMOs out there.

While sandbox concept is somewhat murky in its defnition I am not convinced that is a main reason for Ryzom not being a popular choice. From my experience the game shows its age and contains various bugs and issues. I found that the game design is lacking above and beyond customization of skills.

In conclusion my opinion is that Ryzom is avoided due to its shortcommings and not due to it being a sandbox. This is not 2004 any more, if it was the game might have the future but I doubt enough fresh blood will flock to it and keep it afloat.

I think that by now you've made your point abundantly clear: you don't like that game. Others do so why can't you just leave it at that?

In the tread you started about the alleged lack of freedom you accused Ryzom veterans of being smug elitistm so what do you call your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

You apear to have made no effort to understand why certain things in Ryzom work the way they do the mere fact that some of the options available, and they are available, are harder though not impossible. You call things that work as indended bug because you never bothered to find out how they work e.g. the default attack being default. (which btw is what default attacks are for; and special attacks in Ryzom can be set to auto repeat you just need to know how)

Ryzom is different from other MMO's in many many ways this means it's not for everyone, it doesn't have to be. But it does appeal to some people, these people like the freedom, the complex skill system, the crafting and harvesting and the way the world of Atys apears to be alive.

Now you've missed all those things but that's entirely your own fault. My guess is someone either in game or here on the forums ticked you off and now you're trying to get back at the entire Ryzom community by trolling.

Ryzom is clearly not for you Kaizer so leave it to the people who do apreciate it at stop putting it down...

Originally posted by Machieltje

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Originally posted by Lasastard

I think Ryzom is certainly one of the better MMOs. But as others said, it's not going to stay f2p - not for long, anyway.

And the reason why not everybody is "all over this", is that the game is not as intuitive to play as say WoW. You need to read the tutorials to actually understand what you are doing (like creating your own spells and crafting etc). Being a sandbox, it does not tell you how to play per se - which most people expect and want. Also, it has been around for a long time already - many have tested it previously and found it unappealing, or don't care for the art direction, or whatever. Unlike a newly released title, there is simply no hype for ryzom (which is what gets most people to try a game, I suppose).

Personally, I find it refreshing and hope that it will be able to stay afloat this time around.

 

I disagree with the position that Ryzom is one of the better MMOs out there.

While sandbox concept is somewhat murky in its defnition I am not convinced that is a main reason for Ryzom not being a popular choice. From my experience the game shows its age and contains various bugs and issues. I found that the game design is lacking above and beyond customization of skills.

In conclusion my opinion is that Ryzom is avoided due to its shortcommings and not due to it being a sandbox. This is not 2004 any more, if it was the game might have the future but I doubt enough fresh blood will flock to it and keep it afloat.

 

I think that by now you've made your point abundantly clear: you don't like that game. Others do so why can't you just leave it at that?

In the tread you started about the alleged lack of freedom you accused Ryzom veterans of being smug elitistm so what do you call your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

 

You apear to have made no effort to understand why certain things in Ryzom work the way they do the mere fact that some of the options available, and they are available, are harder though not impossible. You call things that work as indended bug because you never bothered to find out how they work e.g. the default attack being default. (which btw is what default attacks are for; and special attacks in Ryzom can be set to auto repeat you just need to know how)

Ryzom is different from other MMO's in many many ways this means it's not for everyone, it doesn't have to be. But it does appeal to some people, these people like the freedom, the complex skill system, the crafting and harvesting and the way the world of Atys apears to be alive.

Now you've missed all those things but that's entirely your own fault. My guess is someone either in game or here on the forums ticked you off and now you're trying to get back at the entire Ryzom community by trolling.

Ryzom is clearly not for you Kaizer so leave it to the people who do apreciate it at stop putting it down...

Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.

It is nice to make ad hominem attacks in order to discredit the postion and I suspect many will applaud you for it. However I disagree with the claim that Ryzom offers freedom, it offers limitations just like any other game albeit of the different type. I am also quite certain that is what the fans don't want to hear as it is much more pleasant to beleive that fualt lies with other players while Ryzom fans are freedom loving consumers of higher order.

Thank you for the assesment and I will return in kind. My guress is that a group of Ryzom fans is ticked off at negative comments aimed at their game of choice and they are trying to get back at those who made them by accusing them of trolling and flaming.

I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.

Originally posted by Sherkalyn

I never played pre-CU SWG, but I heard that comparison very, very often, from newcommers and veterans alike. So no, it's definitely not so crazy.

For those saying that "the game is rubbish and that's why it should remain F2P" I beg you to either inform yourselves about the previous owner's lack of management skills or leave this section of the MMORPG.com boards alone, thank you very much. I doubt it would have raised so quick and so high in the MMORPG.com's rate chart if it was of such a poor quality. Higher than WoW, even with its low population, even with those that didn't really like the game. That tells a lot.

If people want to play WoW or an upgraded re-skin of  WoW, they will find themselves very lost in Ryzom. It is NORMAL. They will probably find out that it isn't the game for them. It is normal as well. I wouldn't be mad at them if they just uninstalled their client and went on with their business. But coming here to say that the game is bad when they just happened to not like it because it didn't fit THEIR definition of what an MMO should be just makes me want to stamp them with a "TROLL" red iron.

Is it normal, doctor ?

Let us see according to Mark Twan there is a lie, a damn lie and statistics. Two out of three positve voices is not the same as ten thousand out of fifteen, but take it as you will.

You assume that people that dislike Ryzom are some sort of WoW fanatics. That is not the case, I don't like WoW but it does its act well. The fact that you or I don't like it doesn't mean it is all bad.

And yes, I know the feeling however calling someone troll/fanboy is just a name calling and it is usually the last resort to discredit the oponent when all else fails. Nothing is safer then masking the lack of arguments with calls of trolling and fanboism.

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Originally posted by Kaiserjager

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Originally posted by Sherkalyn

I never played pre-CU SWG, but I heard that comparison very, very often, from newcommers and veterans alike. So no, it's definitely not so crazy.
For those saying that "the game is rubbish and that's why it should remain F2P" I beg you to either inform yourselves about the previous owner's lack of management skills or leave this section of the MMORPG.com boards alone, thank you very much. I doubt it would have raised so quick and so high in the MMORPG.com's rate chart if it was of such a poor quality. Higher than WoW, even with its low population, even with those that didn't really like the game. That tells a lot.
If people want to play WoW or an upgraded re-skin of  WoW, they will find themselves very lost in Ryzom. It is NORMAL. They will probably find out that it isn't the game for them. It is normal as well. I wouldn't be mad at them if they just uninstalled their client and went on with their business. But coming here to say that the game is bad when they just happened to not like it because it didn't fit THEIR definition of what an MMO should be just makes me want to stamp them with a "TROLL" red iron.
Is it normal, doctor ?

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Let us see according to Mark Twan there is a lie, a damn lie and statistics. Two out of three positve voices is not the same as ten thousand out of fifteen, but take it as you will.
You assume that people that dislike Ryzom are some sort of WoW fanatics. That is not the case, I don't like WoW but it does its act well. The fact that you or I don't like it doesn't mean it is all bad.
And yes, I know the feeling however calling someone troll/fanboy is just a name calling and it is usually the last resort to discredit the oponent when all else fails. Nothing is safer then masking the lack of arguments with calls of trolling and fanboism.

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hahah don't mind these idiots and there go back to WOW comments. Check any MMO board from your left, starting with AOC to bottom World Of Warcraft. On all 37 boards you will see same childish *you are a WOW fanboy.. wahhhh* comments. It just show there mental level. So just ignore them and be happy. These pathetic children are not worth the effort.

Well Ive been playing Ryzom since Saturday  and Im still playing it cause its the only game right now worth playing. I never liked my hand being held in MMO's . I like to think for myself and do THINGS MY WAY....

I dont like MMO's that are...

1.Level Based (Nearly every MMO on the market)

2.Locked Classes (Nearly Every MMO on the market)

3.Loot is king and crafting is just a small minigame when it should be more important (Nearly every MMO on the market.

4.Simplistic Combat (Nearly Every MMO on the market)

5.Full of immature or the The Sesame Street Kiddie Leet Gang, (Mostly every game on the market ) but then again there is one title coming up to deal with these unruly kids quickly//

6. Full of Instances and raiding (Nearly MMO on the market)

7, And finally MMOs that require no thinking (Nearly every MMO on the market)

As for the people hating on this game cause it isnt like WOW Im sorry but WOW ruined MMO's mainly cause it didnt require you to think , so in essence everyone that played that thinks that thought in this game wouldnt be required . Sometimes the best games out there dont need a large population just need people to play with that think for themselves and can play this type of game without whining...

Originally posted by Calintz333

Because free 2 play means free to start playing and once ur into it around half way up the levels it turns into 20-30 bucks a month to get anything done. So that Free 2 play game just forces you to depend on a item mall to progress because all of them have to make money some how, Sure there maybe ways to do it without the cash shop thats an old argument bottom line if u dont use it after a certain level in EVERY free 2 play game you cant compete and you cant succeed.

I've played so many F2P games and have never bought anything in a cash shop.  The cash shop is for people who want to basically cheat to get ahead.  You don't have to use the cashs hop if you don't want to.

Originally posted by Guintu

I've played so many F2P games and have never bought anything in a cash shop.  The cash shop is for people who want to basically cheat to get ahead.  You don't have to use the cashs hop if you don't want to.

You do realize that 50% of this game is about crafting and that all the gear in the game is player made? So are you suggesting that they simply throw 50% of the game away to implement an item shop?

Originally posted by honkeytonkma

Its like the closest thing to preCU SWG as you can get

Ryzom failed before, and it will continue to fail.

Good start, but there is no real 'game' past the tutorial zone.

All the folks that wanted a 'sandbox' game?
Turns out they really didn't want one.
One of those 'Sounded like a good idea' things.

Play it for a while, you will see.

Good Hunting!

Ryzom's crafting is quite, quite good.  I go and tool around in it pretty often as a result, being that I was a HUGE pre-CU crafter on SWG.  I like the game a lot, it's very interesting, but it does need a little more meat content-wise; it'd be nice if you could make scenarios in the game's scenario editor and then... y'know... -level- in them.  As it is, no loot or real rewards can be gained, which I find unfortunate.

Originally posted by Kaiserjager

Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.

........

I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.

If I get this correctly, you are going to stick around telling people why you don't like the game and pointing it out it's flaws, even though the so called fanboy vets already know anout these quite well and discuss them quite heavily on their own forums anyway, because there NEEDS to be someone on the opposite to debate?

Really? You will spend your energy and intelligence actually looking at a game and decipering it's shortcomings because you don't like it? You take no joy in playing it anymore, so what is exactly your point? And to say that it's to bring balance to the fanboism is retarded. Why is it retarded, because games are meant to be enjoyed and when you enjoy something you obviously become attached and will defend it. Does that mean it will blind you to what is wrong with the game, with what could be added and make it better? No. There's no need for your yin to their yan, if the game was that terrible you'd see a lot more hate posts and this game would not have come back to life twice. Someone seems to think it's a pretty good game in a pretty good shape and rather unique, otherwise no one in their right mind would have poured any money into it, again.

If you don't see that please visit old posts on the official and weigh in all the years of frustration the fans have gone through. Love posts? Promotion? Well hell yeah, when your game of choice sees next to no marketing for years by their owners then the fans do have to spread the love themselves. MMORPG.com forums are not where the meat of the Ryzom conversations take place, but I have a feeling you know that already...

Now that I've said all that let me state before I am attacked with the obvious, that I do not believe in masking the truth, in fans only allowing themselves to worship their games, heck no that doesn't do anyone any good. You need to criticize, argument and give ideas for things to progress, however I expect that from people who actually have an interest in the game and want to see it succeed. Otherwise it's not worth a whole lot.

Now if I misunderstood your intent and you actually want to play Ryzom in the future but with a few things adjusted, then I'll retract most of what I said, however if you're just getting off on disagreeing with people for the sake of it, like it seems, get a healthier pass time.

Sincerely.

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Ryzom has a lot of great pieces, but they just don't seem to fit well together at first glance. I bet if I was willing to give it a little longer I could start to overlook some of it's flaws. It's certainly not the complexity that turns me off though. I've gone back to anarchy online and am having a blast starting fresh there. If they are going to promote this game as a sandbox design the world needs to make some kind of sense, but it doesn't.

Whether it's free or not I don't care. At this point, I'd give someone $30/month for a decent MMO.

Originally posted by khartman2005

NOT.. it is NOTHING like pre cu SWG..  that is probably the most insane post I have ever read.

Actually, yeah, it kind of is.  In fact, it might be the closest crafting mechanic to SWGs I've found in the years since I fled the flaming wreckage of that game.  Materials quality + crafting skill = variable quality goods.  Instead of 1 iron ingot + 1 wooden pole = mace.  So, yeah, kinda.

Actually I still have Ryzom on my computer from before it closed down.  I did like the game and the community, but will not play the game (and will not give them money) until the new company comes out and tells us who they are.  There are companys I will not give money to.  Why are they hiding it?

Originally posted by redavni

 If they are going to promote this game as a sandbox design the world needs to make some kind of sense, but it doesn't.

Whether it's free or not I don't care. At this point, I'd give someone $30/month for a decent MMO.

I'm not sure where you feel the world doesn't make sense? Back in the day when they had the lore section on the website there was a very comprehensive time line that helped the new player understand the history of the planet, or rootball :) , with marked events on it, you could look up info on the races and religions too. All together I find the story and world to be very complex and different. I think different is the key word here.

There may be a few things in the lore that need tweaking to flow better with the rest of the story, but other then that I don't see what you are referring to? ;)

Originally posted by Cynthe

I'm not sure where you feel the world doesn't make sense? Back in the day when they had the lore section on the website there was a very comprehensive time line that helped the new player understand the history of the planet, or rootball :) , with marked events on it, you could look up info on the races and religions too. All together I find the story and world to be very complex and different. I think different is the key word here.

There may be a few things in the lore that need tweaking to flow better with the rest of the story, but other then that I don't see what you are referring to? ;)

It shouldn't be necessary to read the background of a world to become immersed in it. All I need is a few cues to understand how to infer who these people around me are, and why they are here. All I saw was an awful race selection which included 3 different philosophies, none of which I identified with, and the fact that I made this long journey to this newbie camp for some unlikely reason. Lacking any reason why I would care to develop my character at all I find out I can't even explore the world, and perhaps discover a reason to care myself. I'm stuck on this island in the middle of somewhere. It's like they made every effort to make the new player experience as boring as possible.

I agree that the explanation of Silan isn't too great, especially in the light that there existed other newbie areas in each of the race's regions. But if you read the tutorial they tell you that the Kitins once invaded Atys because the Fyros poked around a cave looking for a dragon and brought out the Kitins instead. Well I don't remember if they mention the dragon but that's what they were looking for.

The kitins went and destroyed the major cities and the homins retreated in the Prime Roots, or in a portion of it. Silan is somewhere between the roots and the surface of Atys, the canopy? See I'm not even wholly sure myself and I've read the tutorial, there's a lot of holes that need to be filled you have me disagree on that. :)

If the races doesn't appeal to you then probably you'll have a hard time getting into Atys at all since most of the 'story' revolves around these homins and their interaction with the kitins, their religions and each other. I'd like if they added more lore, and NPC's that would explain it better and fill in the gaps, and Silan needs to humm tweaked a bit. I hope they don't bring in retarded kill ten yubos quests all over the place, they should be cooler then that and maybe place in a historian or story teller in each city that can recount that race's past, heck maybe they even have one already I haven't got that far yet.. ;)

Originally posted by Cynthe

they should be cooler then that and maybe place in a historian or story teller in each city that can recount that race's past, heck maybe they even have one already I haven't got that far yet.. ;)

That was the reason of the enciclopedia quests and rites. Each chapter was meant to describe everything of the world: homins, animals, stories from the lore.

Unfortunately only few of them are available actually.

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Originally posted by Kaiserjager
 
Actually I invested two weeks into Ryzom so I think that is enough effort from a starting player. The reason why I am not inclined to leave it alone is the fact that I see biased promotion made by hardcore fans. If one diagrees, one is a troll. Everybody who disagrees with fans is a scoundrel and a villain.
It is nice to make ad hominem attacks in order to discredit the postion and I suspect many will applaud you for it. However I disagree with the claim that Ryzom offers freedom, it offers limitations just like any other game albeit of the different type. I am also quite certain that is what the fans don't want to hear as it is much more pleasant to beleive that fualt lies with other players while Ryzom fans are freedom loving consumers of higher order.
Thank you for the assesment and I will return in kind. My guress is that a group of Ryzom fans is ticked off at negative comments aimed at their game of choice and they are trying to get back at those who made them by accusing them of trolling and flaming.
I am certainly not stopping anyone to appreciate Ryzom however I am of the opposite opinion and I plan to defend it. To my knowledge this forum is not limited just to love posts, although I can see why some would desire exactly such a thing.

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Hello again (and again), Kaiser. :)

1. Two weeks is nowhere near enough. But that's my opinion, and you'll no doubt disagree.

2. I'm still waiting for you to contact me in game so I can show you some of the really fun things you can do. The offer stands, permanently. For now, it doesn't cost anything but a little of your time.

3. While I certainly appreciate that Ryzom is far from perfect, and would love to see even a few of the changes players have been requesting for years, I do really enjoy it even as it is. I have no issue with you discussing shortcomings, and in some of your posts you have even mentioned things that you like. However, over time and many posts your overall approach seems like an intentional campaign to drive business away from the game, and yes, many will see that as an attack, not constructive criticism. If your attacks prevent some people from even trying the game, and even one of those people would otherwise have loved it and become a valued and loved member of our community, then you have harmed us all.

So, I ask you why you return over and over to repeat the same things? What grudge do you hold?

For the record:
* Ryzom is not perfect, it has some bugs and some features most players would like to see added to it.
* Ryzom is probably best defined as a "niche" game, not a mass-appeal game.
* Ryzom has many missions (quests) but they are not obvious and do not give the sorts of rewards found in some other MMO games.
* Ryzom can feel like an endless grind if your focus is on increasing your character's skill levels at the highest possible speed.
* Ryzom does not offer every feature which has ever appeared in an MMO game, so your favorite feature may not be there.
* If you come to Ryzom with a predetermined set of expectations you may find that it doesn't meet all of those expectations.
* Ryzom is not well suited to proving that you are "better" than someone else.

* If you approach the game with the idea that you will see if you can enjoy what it does offer, you may find that you do.
* If you are of a temperament to patiently explore, discover, experiment, and participate, you will be more likely to enjoy it than if you have a temperament to compete, to go alone, to focus on bending things to your will. Not 100%, but more likely.
* Not every person is looking for the sort of experience that Ryzom, in its current form, offers. Many are not. Some are.

Now, to go back to the original intent of this thread, not everyone is "on this" because it isn't famous, it doesn't appeal to everyone, the number of available accounts is limited, though it grows every day, and to some small extent because some people go out of their way to discourage others from trying it.

I hope many of you reading this will give it a shot, though. Some of you will like it.

Originally posted by Calintz333

Because free 2 play means free to start playing and once ur into it around half way up the levels it turns into 20-30 bucks a month to get anything done. So that Free 2 play game just forces you to depend on a item mall to progress because all of them have to make money some how, Sure there maybe ways to do it without the cash shop thats an old argument bottom line if u dont use it after a certain level in EVERY free 2 play game you cant compete and you cant succeed.

You really need to do some research . Ryzom does not have an item mall . Only Korean games have that for the most part and Ryzom is not an Asian game. But trust me you would not like it because it actually makes you have to use your brain which from your post clearly proved you have no brain.