Originally posted by Dethnoble

Yeah, just like he didn't (even though he admitted), voting in favor of Bush's stuff 90% of the time?

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Originally posted by Dethnoble

Yeah, just like he didn't (even though he admitted), voting in favor of Bush's stuff 90% of the time?

Many democrats would fit that bill themselves. Also, Obama "voted Bush" 50% of the time.

This "90% of the time" argument by Obama is one of the most far-reaching, pathetic attempts at smearing. He is trying to use the ignorance of his base, that is all. So, keep that in mind. Obama does think that his supporters are ignorant rubes.

Congress would truely be broken beyond repair if Republicans and Democrats didn't see eye to eye on at least 40-50% of the issues. Most of the bills being passed are "duh bills" that are obviously good for the country as a whole. Political parties exist because of the other 50-60%. It is when you get into the 70-90% range that your true colors show. McCain's colors aren't just Red, but a clear Bush-shade of Red.

Well the point of this thread, if you read all of Dethnoble's posts (which you should have responded to, instead of the clumsy spinoff posts) is that Obama is more intelligent and better for the economy than McCain.

Raising taxes will lower government deficit. Raising taxes will lower the amount of currency in our country. (That's because the Federal Bank creates money from nothing and then it lends to the Federal Government and the States. And then we the people have to fill this hole created from nothing but a production of money! Sounds like a cheat huh?

So, I assume that if Obama will be voted and will increase the taxes, the dollar will become stronger, while if McCain will get into power, the dollar will remain weak or will become even weaker.

Listen to what McCain said in one of his speeches:

"I wish all interest rates were zero"

Clearly he has no understanding of economics and thus has the potentional to muck up the US economy.

Originally posted by Dekron

(1) A GPA does not determine intelligence, especially when that GPA is due to a law degree. I think Obama is an pure idiot for what he wishes to do to this country, but that is not saying he is not intelligent in specific subject matter. Vice-versa for McCain.

Everyone seems to believe Obama is more intelligent; however, can Obama fly a jet? No? Does that make him stupid? No. He simply lacks the knowledge in the subject matter. Does McCain know what it means to be a community manager? No, that's because he is qualified for President.

As far as leadership goes, (2) McCain surpasses Obama by an unmeasurable margin. His military experience alone qualifies his leadership - to say so otherwise is idiocity and shows one's lack of knowledge of history.

For example, George Washington was not an academic. He was a general. Abe Lincoln was definately not an academic. He was not considered intelligent, but he was a great leader and a great speaker.

Faux intelligence does not quantify leadership ability.

(3) Obama's law degree actually plays agaisnt him for President. His degree prepares him for the legislative branch, not the executive. People seem to forget the President is also Commander-in-Chief. the leader of our armed forces. Therefore experience is needed in that area.

(1)

It's true that a GPA does not determine intelligence.  That fact can not be argued as some of the dumbest people I've ever encountered were in a much higher GPA bracket during my school days.  I think the point here though is that, in Obama's case, the paper standard of intelligence (GPA) is backed when he speaks.  The way he answers questions with careful consideration of all points shows a clear amount of intellect.  It's the basis of critical thought.  Obama allows for all possibilities and then addresses each one even though the answer is unknown to him.  (Like his response to the question of when life begins as it pertains to abortion)  A person who takes time to consider all sides of a matter and atleast try explain why his points stand as they do is, in my eyes, covering all the bases.

McCain comes off as being less intelligent to me because his answers are so quick, short, and typically neglect several speaking points of an issue.  (The way he answered the CSPAN questions Saturday)  While this doesn't necessarily mean he is less intelligent it gives me to "feeling" that McCain has been told what to say, and doesn't speak at length on topics simply because he hasn't really thought them through.  Or, if he hasn't been told what to say; the fact that he still hasn't carefully considered all speaking points on an issue means he is still missing the mark.

(2)

The only experience I've had with the military comes in the form of JROTC and ROTC.  From that very limited experience I can state, without hesitation, that everyone in a leadership position in the military is not necessarily a good leader.  I'm not saying this is the case for McCain, I just found that statement of drawing an analogy between the military and unquestionable leadership ability to be too arrogant.  Let me ask you this - has the military always made the right choice as denoted by the history which you cling to so strongly?

(3)

I could make the argument that McCains imprisonment (POW status) makes him a bad candidate for president.  You want someone with the potential to excercise full use of American military strength, to have been locked up as a prisoner of war?  That gives him access to one hell of a revenge button.

Curving back to the point, I did find it interesting that you could see a degree in law as negative in any way possible.  When one studies law (I don't much care for which specific field) they have to study history.  One case sets the standard for another.  If one case is overturned it must be done using the principles specified by our nations constitution.  If you've studied law and can understand how laws form and fall, how is that a bad thing?  In addition to the how, you must learn the why and be able to improvise in their use to form a case.  Again we see where Obama's pursuit in such a field would demonstrate intelligence.

Originally posted by SagaBoy 

If you've studied law and can understand how laws form and fall, how is that a bad thing?  In addition to the how, you must learn the why and be able to improvise in their use to form a case.  Again we see where Obama's pursuit in such a field would demonstrate intelligence.

I've not said that studying law is a bad thing at all. I believe it simply as a negative towards qualifications as presidency. If he were to be president, he would be in an executive position, not legislative. Sure, he could draw experience to understand the process of law, but he could not use that at all on his side. His job is not to make laws, or even to enforce them.

To add, law is not based upon the constitution. It is based upon the interpretation of the individuals in power who have the ability to overturn judgments or create precedents based upon their decisions. Constitutional law is an illusion. I will give one concrete example. Roe v Wade. Imagine if it were challenged and the entire court was conservative. Then imagine if the entire court were liberal. You would have two completely different judgments - neither side with a dissenting opinion. Simply because the decision was based upon individual interpretation and not ingrained constitutional law.

And, to add, I have met quite a few attorneys (more so than none) who are complete imbeciles.

A well-traveled president with a broad base of skills is going to have a much better world view and be more in touch with the citizens he serves.

I'll take that any day over someone who doesn't travel and only really has a single job focus...

Originally posted by Thrakk

Well the point of this thread, if you read all of Dethnoble's posts (which you should have responded to, instead of the clumsy spinoff posts) is that Obama is more intelligent and better for the economy than McCain.

Raising taxes will lower government deficit. Raising taxes will lower the amount of currency in our country. (That's because the Federal Bank creates money from nothing and then it lends to the Federal Government and the States. And then we the people have to fill this hole created from nothing but a production of money! Sounds like a cheat huh?

So, I assume that if Obama will be voted and will increase the taxes, the dollar will become stronger, while if McCain will get into power, the dollar will remain weak or will become even weaker.

Listen to what McCain said in one of his speeches:

"I wish all interest rates were zero"

Clearly he has no understanding of economics and thus has the potentional to muck up the US economy.

Who are you talking to here?