Originally posted by wise_old_man 

You're the biggest retard ever.

first of all number 6 - witch company doesnt want peoples money?

number 1 - grindfest stop useing your fucking wow slang. we all know that wow is a fucking grindfest too all u do in wow is attack thats all attack!

The one thing is runescape creators are the only game creators care about the community who actualy do something that can ruin the game for the sake of making it fair gameplay such as getting rid of wild they new it was big risk but it was for a good reason - realy world tradeing - and world of warcraft does nothing. against gold selling ect ect botting ect ect

 

Yet another fine example of the community that defends ruinedscape. Thanks for showing everyone here what 90% of the runescape community is like now.

Keep in mind the community wasn't always full of immature little kids flaming everyone.

Originally posted by wise_old_man

-quote - "Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced (point,click, wait 2 minutes, repeat..)

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better) Being a browser based game is not an excuse, peroid.

11. the other .3% of updates are updates the noobs commanded and makes the game worse" - quote -

 

You're the biggest retard ever.

first of all number 6 - witch company doesnt want peoples money?

number 1 - grindfest stop useing your fucking wow slang. we all know that wow is a fucking grindfest too all u do in wow is attack thats all attack!

The one thing is runescape creators are the only game creators care about the community who actualy do something that can ruin the game for the sake of making it fair gameplay such as getting rid of wild they new it was big risk but it was for a good reason - realy world tradeing - and world of warcraft does nothing. against gold selling ect ect botting ect ect

 

Sure companies want people's money, but only rs wants it for stupidities. Why do you keep bringing up wow? We're talking about rs. Taking away the wildy was the most darastic choice on the list. These were probably there 2 options: 1. make a good choice without taking away the wildy. 2. Take the wildy away ergo making the dumbest decision.
 

Originally posted by plqx

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

#1-5 - I agree completely

#6 - So caring that it took them around 7 MONTHS to bring back what we wanted. (pk)

#7 - Some have been bad.

#8 - From what I have seen of Customer Support, they are no help.

#9 - I agree.

#10 - Graphics are fairly good, especially for its speed on the fact that no download is nessessary

lmao! UPDATE: Runescape blows! this is all news to me.

Originally posted by plqx

Originally posted by luckypotato

Note to mods: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY CURSE OR TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BREAK ANY RULE IN ANY WAY, i am purely trying to express my openion (and several thousand's of others)

why this game sucks:

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

3.Super slow paced

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and  whine and think there 1337

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

8.The customer support is non-existant

9.People get banned for no reason

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better)

 

~~~~~(i used to play runescape...when it still was a good game..but now its a horrible game..dont ask)

 

Thank you

~luckypotato

 

1 - Runescape has a large variety. Yes, to train each individual skill is a grind... If training one skill and one skill only for a long period of time is what you want to do. However, if you don't want to grind you don't have to - you can still experience the vast majority of the game without it.

2 - It is a matter of opinion what makes a good pvp system. But the rewards are exactly the same as they always have been - and a good deal better than most other mmorpgs.

3 - what do you mean by this? that levels go slowly? If so, I challenge you to find me a decent mmo where the levels don't go slowly by the end. Oh wait, there aren't any... If you are talking about lag - try using a better world for you.

4 - Replace 92% with 2% and you would be about right. However this is indeed a problem (although one which seems to have reduced substantially over the last few months), and one of the downsides of Runescape. Why is this the case? Because the game is so accessible. You don't have to spend hours downloading it, and you can play for free. Of course you will get idiots playing. It is a shame, but it is a price that, in my opinion, is worth paying.

5 - There are a lot of mmos that use clicking to move. To be honest I don't really care whether a game uses arrow keys or the mouse. What difference does it make?

6 - I am yet to come across another gaming company that cares as much as Jagex does about what people want... Even the updates at the end of last year - complaints about bots were far more common than complaints about the wildy are now... And even if they did only want your money... how would they go about getting it? That's right - by implementing updates that people want.  An example of a far more money-hungry gaming company would be Aeria games - who just create various games and then never update them other than to create new items for the item mall - which have to be bought for real world cash. I am glad to say that selling items in such a way is something that Jagex have chosen not to do - and any firm that just cared about cash wouldn't hesitate to do.

7 - load of nonsense. How many nerfs have there been so far this year? Oh wait... None.

8 - also a load of nonsense. Many jmods are active on the forums, and they are frequently sighted in game. You can (and should) report any rulebreakers you see easily via an anonymous in-game facility. There is a very high number of players per customer support jmod simply because of the huge number of players.

9 - everyone who claims they were banned for no reason is lying. Everyone. People have been muted for no significant reason before - usually due to a misunderstanding by a player moderator.

10 - have you played runescape since the graphical update? Nope, thought not. While these may not be the best in the business, can you blame them given that it is a browser based game. The runescape graphics are way better than ANY other browser based game in existance.

Have you ever even played the game?? Seriously.

Runescape's large variety isn't really variety considering you do the same thing for every skill. You click, wait and repeat.

The rewards suck. I don't want to waste 3 months getting a skill to level 99 to get a stupid cape that does nothing but a stupid emote and cause flaming from noobs.

If you ever even played runescape that long you would know that lvl 92 is the half way point for experience points in any skill. Most other mmorps do not have a leveling system that increases exponentially to the degree that runescape does. Its ridiculous.

The game is not worth paying for if you do have to deal with immature little kids and stupid updates which ruin the game.

Jagex doesn't care what players want. they care about money and only money. end of story.

There have been loads of nerfs recently. To list a few: pvp, economy, quests, rewards, minigames, wilderness, and trading. All of which have been nerfed.

There is a common belief among the majority of most runescape players that gold crowns are rarer than party hats. When was the last time you saw a jmod in the game. Of the 6 years I've played I've only seen one. Ive seen way more party hats than j mods. and party hats are the rarest item in the game in case you didnt know. excluding the christmas cracker which cant be seen except in trade windows.

Actually a lot of players I know including myself have been muted and/or banned for the dumbest reasons. So don't talk about things of which you clearly dont know anything about.

Yes i have played since the graphics update. The graphics are better admittingly but still have numerous flaws. Compared to many other games runescape's graphics are still substandard.

 I've never really understood a lot of these complaints.

It requires a long time to get to level 99 in most skills. OK, fair enough. But there's no reason you have to grind all the way to 99 in any skill. You really only need about 1/4 of the XP required to get 99 (about level 85) to be able to do almost everything in Runescape. 

Plus, Runescape has been around for 6 years, and will be around I'm sure for 6 more. You have years to get 99. What's the rush?

I'm guessing you want it all right now.

There are definitely a lot of less-than-mature players. Ignore them. You have an ignore list. I don't know how I manage to play and avoid all these people you seem to encounter.

I've never, ever had to make use of Customer Support in the 3 years I've played. Then again, I've never been banned or muted for breaking the rules. Nor have I felt the need to complain "when's the Wildy coming back".

I'm just curious why it seems so many of you just hang around here and grieve that Runescape isn't everything you want in a MMORPG. 

Find one that is what you want. Move on, and be positive. Dwelling in this negativity can't be good for your karma.

The fact that it's in a browser really isn't the problem. It's not browser based. Kings of Chaos is browser based. Runescape is a JAVA based game. They just decided to place it on the web. Just like Tribal Wars.

Also, you said that using click to move was better than wasd/other key commands because you like to type?... Type what? Get ye flask?

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

 I've never really understood a lot of these complaints.

It requires a long time to get to level 99 in most skills. OK, fair enough. But there's no reason you have to grind all the way to 99 in any skill. You really only need about 1/4 of the XP required to get 99 (about level 85) to be able to do almost everything in Runescape. 

Plus, Runescape has been around for 6 years, and will be around I'm sure for 6 more. You have years to get 99. What's the rush?

I have done everything in runescape, and I did not "rush" I have played it since it started. It was the biggest waste of time. There is no reason to get levels in this game because there is no rewards for them. When you get them you are disappointed because it wasn't worth the effort put into it/

I'm guessing you want it all right now.

No, but what I do want right now is fun interesting gameplay, not boring repetition. what I want is good customer service, and a company that cares about what it's players want. I want a fun game not The nonsense Jagex has been trying to spoon feed us.

There are definitely a lot of less-than-mature players. Ignore them. You have an ignore list. I don't know how I manage to play and avoid all these people you seem to encounter.

It is funny  about runescape it has the strictest chat filter, but yet it has the worst spam I have ever seen on any game. I have never had to ignore any player ever on any game I have ever played , why should I have to  here? The games I play with no chat filter have 110% better community .. go figure. If the game itself didn;t put everyone in such a bad mood on there I am sure that would help the game alot.

I've never, ever had to make use of Customer Support in the 3 years I've played. Then again, I've never been banned or muted for breaking the rules. Nor have I felt the need to complain "when's the Wildy coming back".

You never asked customer support anything? What about when the game kept rolling back and your previous kills suddenly were erased, or your previous sales just disappeared? or had 12m gp suddenly disappears out of your account? yea .. just try to contact them about anything and see how you are treated. LOL  You never asked them why they just banned a teacher for helping her students ? I  am not banned either, but that is no excuse for them not to provide friendly, helpful customer service to their paying members. Their customer service is rude and arrogant and does not care to help you.

After they wrongly banned my friend who was an ENGLISH TEACHER .. never did anything  but try to help her students on that game , never broke any rules , but banned her for  RWT when she never did what they said she did. She gave free stuff to kids on the game, because she was just that way... never did she ever accept $ for it.  Jagex seriously has their priorities mixed up.

 You assume that people have to be breaking rules in order to want to contact them, and this is completely false. Just to give you a heads up, Your account is the sole property of Jagex ltd, and they can take it from you at any time without evidence, regardless of if you broke any rules or not. I have played this game long enough to have seen that exact thing happen over and over and over again, and they will not accept player submitted screenshots, or any evidence that proves otherwise. I hope you do not care about your accounts much, because they sure as hell do not.

I'm just curious why it seems so many of you just hang around here and grieve that Runescape isn't everything you want in a MMORPG. 

SOme of us had alot of time and money invested in this game, only to have the  company demolish it. I gave Jagex thousands, yes thousands of dollars to make this game better and they ran it in ditch. You may be one that accepts substandard work, and if it disappoints you just quietly move on, but I for one move on yes, but sure as hell not quietly. I think those that just accept what is given and quietly leave are the ones that should be ashamed, as long as you do not speak up that is all you will ever be given. It is the people who have made their voices heard loud and clear that is the reason Jagex is bringing in the PVP worlds, but sadly that just isn't enough yet.

Find one that is what you want. Move on, and be positive. Dwelling in this negativity can't be good for your karma.

LOL. I have found good games, great companies, and I am very positive about their futures. This does not change the bad taste this game left in my mouth, and I will speak openly about exactly what this is. LOL @ my karma... everyone I know tells me I am the happiest girl they know.. it takes alot to set me off.. but with Jagex they have given me more than enough.  Trying to tell people to quiet down their restlessness with this game does not make the game any better, tell them to speak up so maybe , just maybe Jagex will one of these days wake up and listen and eventually make better games. Would you not rather then make a fun, challenging,  exciting game with a good community than the garbage they try to make you accept as the best the can do. They can do better, it is about time we stopped accepting that is the way it has to be simply because people are lazy.

Originally posted by Neiko

The fact that it's in a browser really isn't the problem. It's not browser based. Kings of Chaos is browser based. Runescape is a JAVA based game. They just decided to place it on the web. Just like Tribal Wars.

Also, you said that using click to move was better than wasd/other key commands because you like to type?... Type what? Get ye flask?

I agree. And TW is fun

I completely agree with PhelimReagh. Although the Customer Service is bad.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

 I've never really understood a lot of these complaints.

It requires a long time to get to level 99 in most skills. OK, fair enough. But there's no reason you have to grind all the way to 99 in any skill. You really only need about 1/4 of the XP required to get 99 (about level 85) to be able to do almost everything in Runescape. 

Plus, Runescape has been around for 6 years, and will be around I'm sure for 6 more. You have years to get 99. What's the rush?

I'm guessing you want it all right now.

There are definitely a lot of less-than-mature players. Ignore them. You have an ignore list. I don't know how I manage to play and avoid all these people you seem to encounter.

I've never, ever had to make use of Customer Support in the 3 years I've played. Then again, I've never been banned or muted for breaking the rules. Nor have I felt the need to complain "when's the Wildy coming back".

I'm just curious why it seems so many of you just hang around here and grieve that Runescape isn't everything you want in a MMORPG. 

Find one that is what you want. Move on, and be positive. Dwelling in this negativity can't be good for your karma.

Well you obviously haven't played runescape that long. If you have then you surely would have run into some immature little punks. Also you would have had to make use of customer support at one time. If you haven't customer support then you haven't played long enough and therefore have no idea what you are talking about.

We hang around here because this game sucks and it took so much of our time and money. It also deserves all the things we have said about it. So yeah. Deal with it.

My karma is okay, not great but okay. I'm actually not as negative as I used to be.

Originally posted by PhelimReagh

 I've never really understood a lot of these complaints.

 

I've always found they were pretty straight forward.

It requires a long time to get to level 99 in most skills. OK, fair enough. But there's no reason you have to grind all the way to 99 in any skill. You really only need about 1/4 of the XP required to get 99 (about level 85) to be able to do almost everything in Runescape. 

The problem isn't how long the skillls take to level - I don't really mind that.  The real problem is the way the skills were designed.  They're so repetitive, boring, and uninteresting; there's no skill or technique involved (unless you call button mashing a skill).

Plus, Runescape has been around for 6 years, and will be around I'm sure for 6 more. You have years to get 99. What's the rush?

Again, there's no rush.  Read above.

I'm guessing you want it all right now.

AGAIN, read above.

There are definitely a lot of less-than-mature players. Ignore them. You have an ignore list. I don't know how I manage to play and avoid all these people you seem to encounter.

1)  I find it hard to believe how you don't encounter them.  It's almost impossible NOT to.  Take a trip to Lumbridge and read the general chat for 15 minutes; you'll see what we alla rgue about.

2)  The fact that players have to use their ignore list (or turn off their public chat) so often just proves our point.  In no game should one be forced to ignore the community they play with.

I've never, ever had to make use of Customer Support in the 3 years I've played. Then again, I've never been banned or muted for breaking the rules. Nor have I felt the need to complain "when's the Wildy coming back".

Apparently you haven't experienced the enjoyment of the wilderness.  If you had, you would be complaining.

Also, it's not only the wilderness.  It's the trade updates, the poor updates going on (they're STILL trying to fix things), the community, Jagex possibly lying on their number counter, aiming for a lower audience, the poor skills, the list just goes on.

I'm just curious why it seems so many of you just hang around here and grieve that Runescape isn't everything you want in a MMORPG. 

I'm surprised that RS fits your needs for an MMORPG.  How low are your standards?

Find one that is what you want. Move on, and be positive. Dwelling in this negativity can't be good for your karma.

I suppose you could call it dwelling. 

I don't really get the comment about the karma...I've moved on.  I'm waiting for other great games on the horizon, and I've played some other ones. 

If my karma was good, all this arguing would bring a Jagex dev to defend themselves on this forum.  I would have a field day with that :)

 -Mike

That is certainly your opinion. 6 million players can't be wrong.

Originally posted by myhero

That is certainly your opinion.

It's your opinion that RS is good.  Everything here is a matter of opinion.

6 million players can't be wrong.

In my mind they can.  Again, it's just everyone's opinion whether or not a game is good.

I'm sure I could find 6 million people that think RS is a bad game too.

Plqx... People like you that are in utter denial are the f___ing reason runescape is f___ed up in the first place.

and from this how are you telling other players? how are you trying to tell jagex about why or how, and how do you want to change it? what is it that your aiming for by telling other people to not play this game.

and remember... not all games are perfect, some are good at one point while bad in the rest

Originally posted by playforfun

and from this how are you telling other players? how are you trying to tell jagex about why or how, and how do you want to change it? what is it that your aiming for by telling other people to not play this game.

and remember... not all games are perfect, some are good at one point while bad in the rest

I do believe it is everyones hope that Jagex wakes up and listens, that they finally hire people that know what they are doing, and create a better game for all players. It takes a hard hit in the pocketbook to get any response out of them, and even then, they still do not put customers first. There are developers that do put customers first, and they should be commended. I believe it is the hopes of all gamers that all developers will follow that lead and give us better games. As long as we accept substandard and medicore work, that is all they will ever give us. I think the focus on Jagex is that runescape could be a great game if done porperly, and it is shameful it is currently being run the way it is. I think everyone would like to see it become a great game instead of being run into the ground. They would have to start by getting out of this hole they have dug themselves into and repair their reputation by actually listening to their players for once.

i dont play anymore, with the wild gone its just another crappy mmo

1. its a grindfest, the game is ALL grinding (you have to put in hundreds of hours into the game)

short games are kind of pointless, mercenaries 2 took me like 10 hours

2.no good pvp system with real rewards anymore (removal of wilderness and replaced with crap)

right on

3.Super slow paced (point,click, wait 2 minutes, repeat..)

im not sure what u mean by this, i dont see what u click on and wait two minutes for,  a lot of things u need to constantly click for

4. the community is 92% of little kids under 12 who call everyone "noobs" and cuss and whine and think there 1337

im 15, but i hate this stereotype, its not just little 10 year old kids there are a lot of people who are like 17 who call everyone noobs and think there cool (i hate when people actually say 1337)

5.game mechanics stink (point, click, move)

u ever used ur computer?

6.Jagex dosent care about what you think should be or shouldnt be in the game, all they want is your money

actually, they sincerely thought that BH would be a sufficient replacement, i think its pathetic, but they have more players now then before, but im sure that has to do more with time then updates. people will join eventually.

7.99.7% of the "updates" are nerf's

i wouldnt say 99.7 but very close, also they seem to nerf things they shouldnt. i dont think a rune c bow should be able to hit like over 100. i hate rangers

8.The customer support is non-existant

yes

9.People get banned for no reason

ive been perm banned twice and temp banned like 5 times, all for great reasons

10.Graphics utterly suck (even WoW's is better) Being a browser based game is not an excuse, peroid.

graphics is the most pathetic thing for someone to not play a game on, most of your views had made sense but this one, WOW has very good graphics actually, but i loved runescapes old graphics, the high detail update was a waste of their time in my opinion, i liked the look of there old runescape, and yes, being browser based is a good excuse.

11. the other .3% of updates are updates the noobs commanded and makes the game worse

i would have been fine with them deleting everything but my bank and the old wild

also, im 100% sure u only made this post based around the wild, u had no problem with the game when u played it , but now u dont and u just wanted to lengthen ur post.  Dont give up hope kid, there making a pvp update in a lil, it wont be perfect but maybe it will be an improvement so people can actually members pk and i could care less about non members.

people complain about non members not getting enough updates, but honestly, do they hear themselves? i dont pay but give me stuff

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also when there was a wild all people did was complain about the things were fighting to get back

i miss luring

 The worst of all is that wildy is no more but it is coming back but you don't get the other guys stuff :(

Community suuuucks!! To make the community better jagex should make runescape the game and write a big 14+ on the front and back :)

Originally posted by poql

being browser based is a good excuse.

No, it is not. They said for ages they couldn't improve graphics because of being browser based, and what did they just do, hmm?

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Originally posted by poql

i miss luring

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People like you got the wilderness ditch put in, idiot.

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Originally posted by friidrick

but you don't get the other guys stuff

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Yeah, you get a monster drop, but every time you die you lose between 200k-200mil depending on what you were wearing. Don't count on people being nice and letting you get your stuff from your grave before it collapses. They'll kill you again, and again, and again, til all your stuff has dissapeared.

Game is OK for a while, but it is boring fast.

Only clicking on the map, waiting a long moment, click again.

As an example, mining:

Click on a stone, wait one hour at lvl 10, some good peoples mining my rock to, they mine it in 0,000000000000001 seconds. :L

Not an good game, for me.

HD don't works here altough.

Originally posted by friidrick

 The worst of all is that wildy is no more but it is coming back but you don't get the other guys stuff :(

Community suuuucks!! To make the community better jagex should make runescape the game and write a big 14+ on the front and back :)

Good idea!!!

But they also need to make the game less childish too. Jagex really need to shift their focus and attitudes because right now they are in "childhood" mode. Seriously, everytime I read an article on their mainpage it seems like they are talking to 5 year olds. What the hell Jagex?

Originally posted by Matt269

Originally posted by friidrick

 The worst of all is that wildy is no more but it is coming back but you don't get the other guys stuff :(

Community suuuucks!! To make the community better jagex should make runescape the game and write a big 14+ on the front and back :)

Good idea!!!

But they also need to make the game less childish too. Jagex really need to shift their focus and attitudes because right now they are in "childhood" mode. Seriously, everytime I read an article on their mainpage it seems like they are talking to 5 year olds. What the hell Jagex?

Despite the fact that some people think it is a joke, Jagex's staff probably left the game designing of RuneScape to the ninnys of the company, while the real game designers work on MechScape. Focusing on a new project and neglecting another is never a good idea. Especially when you leave the job to some people who apparently think that RuneScape is for kiddies. I found this: www.MechScapeWorld.com/

Considering they have their priorities quite mixed up with everything possible at the moment, I really doubt this game will be much of an improvement over the recent versions RuneScape. So sad to see such a talented group of programmers self-destruct.

Thank you very much, honest veterans who only strive to show the truth of the game. I will continue to defend and respect those who honestly depict what Jagex is up to. The Truth tellers.  This forum has really been constructive and productive. I only wish Jagex would humble themselves, and give up their lies for a new beggining, a new age. Right now, I only hope for the best. Good Luck to all veterans!Long live the veterans!.