dude thats painfully slow;  ive never seen AA that slow in any mmorpg ive ever played.  probable because i usally play melee or ranged classes base on agi and dodge but still thats slow.  the speed for skill attacks seems normal wich is fine because thats was everyone should be using anyway.

Originally posted by motoarch

dude thats painfully slow;  ive never seen AA that slow in any mmorpg ive ever played.  probable because i usally play melee or ranged classes base on agi and dodge but still thats slow.  the speed for skill attacks seems normal wich is fine because thats was everyone should be using anyway.

IT A 3.4 SPEEED WEAPON! ITS SUPPOSED TO BE SLOW! YOU SWING ONCE EVERY 3.4 SECONDS! I was trying to prove a point. If you have a faster weapon THEN YOU SWING FASTER!

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

How does a 3.4 speed weapon in one game end up being slower than 3.4 speed weapon in another game? its both 3.4 seconds.

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

 

How does a 3.4 speed weapon in one game end up being slower than 3.4 speed weapon in another game? its both 3.4 seconds.

Which weighs the most - a ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?

Originally posted by Pyrial
Now on the combat, it feels like when I click auto attack alone I can get up go fix dinner, eat and drop a deuce all before the next swing.  If I want to kill anything within a 20sec window I have to spam the shiz out of special attacks.  I don’t know if this is due to the month of AoC’s fast paced combat but sweet jebus I want to fall asleep. I love the rest of the game and the environment but the other two have been kind of a turn off. Does anyone else feel the same way or is it just me being too dang picky?
 

I felt it too, but I think this has to do with:

1) Overall DPS cut

2) Possible mob Health increase

which draws your gaze immediately to the GCD, which does not fit like a glove with either 1 or 2. I think this is a regression from the prior beta where this wasn't so bad. They can fix it, but we are definitely going to have to demand it instead of ignoring the problem here, and that requires admitting that there is one.

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Originally posted by Pyrial

 
So what is the point of the AA then?  If you use a combat art/special attack the same time an AA is due, does it overwrite the AA or count both attacks and calculate the damage?
Which animation gets priority if the latter is the case?

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They ignore the special attacks and fire off every 3.4 seconds. They are just there so you can still do something when your AP runs dry. Someone did tests in beta and AA still ends up being like 30% of your DPS in an extended battle.

I found using a 2H weapon in WoW extremely frustrating before mortal strike on my warrior for the same reason, the auto attack with no real specials(except rend and hamstring!) just made it really boring.

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

So 3.4 seconds turns into 40192841029890283109283123.4 seconds and, obviously, WAR is slow and boring?

Did anyone even pay attention to when he added skills into the mix? Does anyone know of any game that has a faster AA with a SLOW weapon? Seriously. Add 2 and 2 together. It's not that hard!

This is obviously a case of "You need to play it before you judge it", because the most popular MMO - WoW - looks boring in videos. But when I played it, it was faster and more fun.

waahhhhhwahhhh cryyyyyy get in the game man.

Am glad the combat speed is abit slower than other mmo's tbh , i have no problem with it really and if you played aoc that would explain it though because aoc combat is quick faster .

Wow, who just sits there and only uses auto attack? I'm baffled.

Originally posted by Pyrial

I have been following Warhammer Online for a bit now and have been in since closed beta. I have played everything care-bear you can think of EQ, EQ2, Horizons, SWG, WoW, Vanguard, and LOTRO. I played AoC for all of a month and got sick of that gankfest orgy.  I am really disappointed in the class cuts Mystic has made. I was stoked about playing a Dark Elf BlackGuard and they had to toss that class out along with a handful of other classes. Now there is nothing that appeals to me with the Dark Elf race and the only race that has anything really are Chaos and High Elves. I have enjoyed the game so far but the lack of class choice and the slow combat is very disappointing. Are they going to add those classes back at a later time or not?

Now on the combat, it feels like when I click auto attack alone I can get up go fix dinner, eat and drop a deuce all before the next swing.  If I want to kill anything within a 20sec window I have to spam the shiz out of special attacks.  I don’t know if this is due to the month of AoC’s fast paced combat but sweet jebus I want to fall asleep. I love the rest of the game and the environment but the other two have been kind of a turn off. Does anyone else feel the same way or is it just me being too dang picky?
 

20 secs? rflmao.DUDE i kringe every time i see people complaining about slow combat in ANY game.The reason is that most skillful and interesting combat is slower not a speed fest.If you have ever played ffxi,the battles quite often are around1- 2 minutes,this is normal xp mobs not bosses.By your standards,you want less than 20 secs witch basically means 1-2 spells or maybe 2-3 swings of a weapon.That kind of combat would 100% be a no brainer.There would be no debuffing no reactions,just hit your best attack 2x and the fight is over .lmao,where is the challenge or skill?

What part of the game are you actually enjoying ,since combat takes up pretty much 90% of every game unless your a full time crafter.If you want things to die that fast,you obviously are not enjoying the combat,but are more so in a rush to get it over with.The players such as myself who take combat seriously and enjoy a rewarding challenge ,prefer a much longer methodical approach,one in witch takes lots of thinking or reactions,not a bam bam it's dead approach.I hope you can see why  a speed fest is not good,i tried to explain it best i could.Otherwise we are just playing penny arcades,where you put in your 50 cents and button mash over and over hoping you got enough kills in the alotted time frame for a free  game.

Omg can you plz let this topic die.

We have seen enough combat is slow discussion. Mythic is not going to change it, they'll pbb even make it slower.

So can we cut this discussion plz. :/

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

So 3.4 seconds turns into 40192841029890283109283123.4 seconds and, obviously, WAR is slow and boring?

Did anyone even pay attention to when he added skills into the mix? Does anyone know of any game that has a faster AA with a SLOW weapon? Seriously. Add 2 and 2 together. It's not that hard!

This is obviously a case of "You need to play it before you judge it", because the most popular MMO - WoW - looks boring in videos. But when I played it, it was faster and more fun.

 

not sure why you guys are flipping out about this, its dumb really.  i never said 3.4 seconds was longer then 3.4 seconds or whatever.  im saying 3.4 seconds is slow period.  i never said the game was boring and im not judging anything.  and i did in a previous post mention that the skill attacks seemed fine to me.  you guys really need to chill out noones attacking you personaly and im not saying anythin negative about the game nor did i complain once about anything.

Ill make this as clear as possable Im saying that I have never seen a two handed weapon in any game i have ever played as slow as 3.4 seconds.  that is not a comentary on the games playablity or quality of experance it is simply a statement based on my personal gaming experance.  If to you that is a normal interval based on your gaming experiance then we natural have played very diffrent games and classes.

now grow up

Originally posted by Emotions

Omg can you plz let this topic die.

We have seen enough combat is slow discussion. Mythic is not going to change it, they'll pbb even make it slower.

So can we cut this discussion plz. :/

omg plox no :/ k?

They changed the pace of combat and admitted there were problems prior to all this.  They have taken a step backwards and all signs point towards this being an unintentional regression. Slow(er) combat speed does NOT necessarily mean more fun or skill, otherwise we would all be playing Stratego or the Warhammer miniature game that this is based upon.

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

Originally posted by motoarch

Originally posted by Vindicoth

www.youtube.com/watch

I made this video just for you. The first half of the video I'm just auto attacking, then the second half I show how fast you really attack when you are using your special skills. It's a 3.4 speed 2H Weapon. It doesnt seem any slower than any other 2H weapon in any other game.

Sorry about the quality, you tube destroyed it and so did WMV compression ~_~.

I was responding to that statement.  it dose seems slower to me; a lot slower.  if you disagree or have had a diffrent experiance then me thats ok.  no need to spaz out on the cap lock
 

So 3.4 seconds turns into 40192841029890283109283123.4 seconds and, obviously, WAR is slow and boring?

Did anyone even pay attention to when he added skills into the mix? Does anyone know of any game that has a faster AA with a SLOW weapon? Seriously. Add 2 and 2 together. It's not that hard!

This is obviously a case of "You need to play it before you judge it", because the most popular MMO - WoW - looks boring in videos. But when I played it, it was faster and more fun.

 

 

not sure why you guys are flipping out about this, its dumb really.  i never said 3.4 seconds was longer then 3.4 seconds or whatever.  im saying 3.4 seconds is slow period.  i never said the game was boring and im not judging anything.  and i did in a previous post mention that the skill attacks seemed fine to me.  you guys really need to chill out noones attacking you personaly and im not saying anythin negative about the game nor did i complain once about anything.

Ill make this as clear as possable Im saying that I have never seen a two handed weapon in any game i have ever played as slow as 3.4 seconds.  that is not a comentary on the games playablity or quality of experance it is simply a statement based on my personal gaming experance.  If to you that is a normal interval based on your gaming experiance then we natural have played very diffrent games and classes.

now grow up

FFXI weapons are based around .8 seconds bare hand then the weapons add delay,usually around 1-3 seconds,so yes the end result would be around 3-4 seconds for any of the larger weapons.Even the knives in FFXI are around a total of 2 seconds,and they are the fastest weapons,well bare hands would be fastest.This is called REACTIVE combat,you actually get a chance to react to the mob or opponents initial attack.Think of it as two swordsmen in a real life battle.They would pop in and out ,they wouldn't just go right in and swing there sword wildly 5 times in 10 seconds,they would use stratedgy.

I am not attacking you,so don't get all ancy again plz, i am just saying you havn't been around enough games to understand it all.