Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Draenor

Apparently some of you Obama koolaid drinkers have never actually listened to Obama give anything but a rehearsed speech...listening to him speak off the cuff about pretty much any issue is an absolutely painful experience...But I suppose when you want to love him badly enough, and only go out of your way to listen to the stuff that MSNBC shows on TV, then yeah, he's a wonderfully charismatic speaker.

 

 

QFT

www.youtube.com/watch

That was a great vid though it was sad to see how poor he was when it went down.

Originally posted by Draenor

Apparently some of you Obama koolaid drinkers have never actually listened to Obama give anything but a rehearsed speech...listening to him speak off the cuff about pretty much any issue is an absolutely painful experience...But I suppose when you want to love him badly enough, and only go out of your way to listen to the stuff that MSNBC shows on TV, then yeah, he's a wonderfully charismatic speaker.

Once again, I'm not a huge McCain fan...but for any idiot to say that he isn't educated about the issues associated with being the president is completely asenine.  Do you really and honestly believe that he got where he is by being uneducated?  You need to take off your liberal bilnders and look at this objectively...You don't get a presidential nomination by being stupid...you DO, however, get railed on by your intellectual superiors on a forum.

"...by your intellectual superiors" People call Obama an elitist when McCain has supporters like this conceited little ass who is apparently an "intellectual superior."  I don't know where people get such egos when they are posting on video game forum. Its quite sad.

Originally posted by c1c3r0

They should be entertaining. Obama will wipe the floor with McCain. He is more eloquent, intelligent, and charismatic. But it's alright, McCain didn't graduated 894 of 899 at Anapolis for nothing

As I said before, Obama is a bumbling idiot when he is not reading a prompter and is trying to answer non-scripted questions.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by c1c3r0

They should be entertaining. Obama will wipe the floor with McCain. He is more eloquent, intelligent, and charismatic. But it's alright, McCain didn't graduated 894 of 899 at Anapolis for nothing

 

I beg to differ.  If the Saddleback meeting is any indication, McCain will out debate Obama because he seems to speak from his conviction.  Obama says what he thinks the voters want to hear.  That's why McCain gave clear concise answers at Saddleback and Obama seemed to grasp for answers.  Obama is a master in a controlled environment, he is way more charismatic and a much better speaker than McCain.  But he doesn't do nearly as well in an off the cuff setting.  That's why he constantly declines McCain's invitations to do town hall meetings.

Obama said "It is not within my pay-grade to answer that question with specificity". Nice crystal clear answer to a question.

God-Damn Protestors!

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Not exactly. Obama wanted to debate McCain but his campaign decided that giving McCain free press wasn't the best idea. McCain will have to entice his own coverage instead of capitalizing off of the buzz Obama creates everywhere he goes.

Wow. That is the most pathetic excuse I have heard yet. I suppose he will skip the debates for the same reason?

Originally posted by Laserwolf

God-Damn Protestors!

I know. That retard with the sign needs to STFU.

Yeah, I don't care if they are voting for Obama or McCain, this is not the time or place to pull that crap.

Originally posted by Laserwolf

Yeah, I don't care if they are voting for Obama or McCain, this is not the time or place to pull that crap.

Of course, if he falls from that balcony he will be crying for help from those he is disrespecting.

I hate Obama, but I would be just a pissed if they were doing that during his speech.

Heh.. They may have been doing it during Obama's speech too... you just wouldn't be able to hear or see them in the stadium of 80,000 people. Burn!!!

Originally posted by Laserwolf

Heh.. They may have been doing it during Obama's speech too... you just wouldn't be able to hear or see them in the stadium of 80,000 people. Burn!!!

Nah, Obama's Gustapo just takes them out back and caps them in the head and dumps the body in the sewer.

Originally posted by Dekron

 

Obama said "It is not within my pay-grade to answer that question with specificity". Nice crystal clear answer to a question.

  I wouldn't care if he saw every issue the same way I do.  That's one very good reason that I will not be voting for him.   If someone is wanting my vote to help them get the #1 seat in the U.S.  you better have better answers than that.  Exspecially on a human rights topic.  What a shmuck.

Anything is better than that statement.  I was pretty floored when I watched him say that at the forum.

Originally posted by c1c3r0

Originally posted by Draenor

Apparently some of you Obama koolaid drinkers have never actually listened to Obama give anything but a rehearsed speech...listening to him speak off the cuff about pretty much any issue is an absolutely painful experience...But I suppose when you want to love him badly enough, and only go out of your way to listen to the stuff that MSNBC shows on TV, then yeah, he's a wonderfully charismatic speaker.

Once again, I'm not a huge McCain fan...but for any idiot to say that he isn't educated about the issues associated with being the president is completely asenine.  Do you really and honestly believe that he got where he is by being uneducated?  You need to take off your liberal bilnders and look at this objectively...You don't get a presidential nomination by being stupid...you DO, however, get railed on by your intellectual superiors on a forum.

"...by your intellectual superiors" People call Obama an elitist when McCain has supporters like this conceited little ass who is apparently an "intellectual superior."  I don't know where people get such egos when they are posting on video game forum. Its quite sad.

I'm not a "McCain supporter"

I just happen to think that you have to be pants-on-head retarded in order to think that Obama would be a good man to run this country.

You're right though, I am quite the elitist to think that I'm smarter than a lot of people on this forum...then again, my opinions on the intellect of my fellow posters is based upon hundreds of threads, with thousands of posts directed at these people...and yeah, I think that I'm smarter than a great deal of them...my opinion is based upon thousands of posts...what is your opinion based on?

I might be an elitist, but my opinions are not unfounded

You think you are better than me!!!!!!!???!!!!!

So do I.

Originally posted by JayBirdz

  I wouldn't care if he saw every issue the same way I do.  That's one very good reason that I will not be voting for him.   If someone is wanting my vote to help them get the #1 seat in the U.S.  you better have better answers than that.  Exspecially on a human rights topic.  What a shmuck.

Anything is better than that statement.  I was pretty floored when I watched him say that at the forum.

I'm beginning to see why Bush got nearly enough votes to win the presidency. If this answer isn't sound to you, then you would like a lawyer to define biological and theological terms. This is not Obama's position. There are plenty of biologists and theologians out there to define circumstances in their respective fields. It seems that you would like to apply this answer to a different question, such as:

Rick Warren: "Have you ever voted to limit or reduce abortions?"

Barack Obama: "I am in favor, for example, of limits on late term abortions, if there is an exception for the mother's health. Now, from the perspective of those who are pro-life, I think they would consider that inadequate, and I respect their views. One of the things I've always said is, on this particular issue, if you believe that life begins at conception, and you are consistent in that belief, then I can't argue with you on that, because that is a core issue of faith for you."

Basically, Obama has some education in the scientific and theological fields, but neither are learned enough to try and define the point at which human life is established. This is an issue that each person has to define on their own.
 

Originally posted by Draenor

Apparently some of you Obama koolaid drinkers have never actually listened to Obama give anything but a rehearsed speech...listening to him speak off the cuff about pretty much any issue is an absolutely painful experience...But I suppose when you want to love him badly enough, and only go out of your way to listen to the stuff that MSNBC shows on TV, then yeah, he's a wonderfully charismatic speaker.

Once again, I'm not a huge McCain fan...but for any idiot to say that he isn't educated about the issues associated with being the president is completely asenine.  Do you really and honestly believe that he got where he is by being uneducated?  You need to take off your liberal bilnders and look at this objectively...You don't get a presidential nomination by being stupid...you DO, however, get railed on by your intellectual superiors on a forum.

Fair enough.  I mean George Dubuya Bush was clearly the most educated man in the world, and he definitely got the presidential nomination.  I see your point sir.

*Edit*  Wasn't Obama speaking off the cuff at the Saddleback forum?  Sounded alright to me.  He wasn't the fastest speaker but his responses definitely showed a belief in the principle of thiking before one speaks.  On the flip side when McCain spoke every thrid word out of his mouth was about his P.O.W. status.  At one point he almost got through an entire answer and then paused and asked if he might tell another War story.  Not to take anything away from the guy but at some point I just wanted to call up some buddies and start playing the drinking game with the word being "military."  We would have easily been drunk off our asses inside of 5 minutes.

I'm not sure if I want to watch the debates or not.

Obama Team  - We gotta change the country and recover from the last 8 years. We must repair our global reputation that Bush has destroyed! We must decrease our dependency on foreign oil and find different energy!!

McCain Team - 9/11!! We gotta protect Americans from terrorists, they are out to get us!! War vets need respect! We will change the country and repair the damage!!<------what the?!??!! Thats not very conservative coming from a conservative party.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by JayBirdz

  I wouldn't care if he saw every issue the same way I do.  That's one very good reason that I will not be voting for him.   If someone is wanting my vote to help them get the #1 seat in the U.S.  you better have better answers than that.  Exspecially on a human rights topic.  What a shmuck.

Anything is better than that statement.  I was pretty floored when I watched him say that at the forum.

I'm beginning to see why Bush got nearly enough votes to win the presidency. If this answer isn't sound to you, then you would like a lawyer to define biological and theological terms. This is not Obama's position. There are plenty of biologists and theologians out there to define circumstances in their respective fields. It seems that you would like to apply this answer to a different question, such as:

 

Rick Warren: "Have you ever voted to limit or reduce abortions?"

Barack Obama: "I am in favor, for example, of limits on late term abortions, if there is an exception for the mother's health. Now, from the perspective of those who are pro-life, I think they would consider that inadequate, and I respect their views. One of the things I've always said is, on this particular issue, if you believe that life begins at conception, and you are consistent in that belief, then I can't argue with you on that, because that is a core issue of faith for you."

 

Basically, Obama has some education in the scientific and theological fields, but neither are learned enough to try and define the point at which human life is established. This is an issue that each person has to define on their own.
 

Thank you for further supporting my post.  Though I do not think you realize that you were.  He can answer questions on abortion.  So what is so hard about answering this one.  I am not harping on the man because he supports abortion. 
 

Some people like yourself simply will not get why that remark erks me so much.  Other's will get it and simply don't care.  It does not matter to me honestly if you get why that remark bothers me so much,  though I will try to explain why because your either down playing it's meaning or you do not get what it means.  

My point is: In the military "above my pay grade" means it is not for him to worry about.  It is saying he is not the decision maker. 

So if he can not make judgement calls about his own views, then why should he be in the #1 seat?  How is he going to make a decision regarding which people to put into seats in other places in the government?  How is he going to know which bill to veto or help pass if he doe's not know his own moral grounding?  I guess he will just be the front man while the power lies with in someone else's hands?  Awesome!  So what, is he going to have Nancy telling him what to do?  

You bring up his education as a defense for this comment, why?  It surely is not helping to defend him.  You ask any person on this forum the same question he was asked and I guarantee not 1 of them will say it is above my pay grade.  Then ask them after you get an answer on their view of the question what type of education they have.

I look forward to the debates as well.  One statement from Obama like this and McCain will be like a kid in a candy store.  

I like your Bush comments by the way Good job!  

Originally posted by JayBirdz

My point is: In the military "above my pay grade" means it is not for him to worry about.  It is saying he is not the decision maker. 

Precisely. It is not his position to define the point at which human life begins for everyone else. He has made that decision for himself and has voted accordingly. The answer he gave shows it's neither a simple nor straight forward question in his eyes. It takes thought and reflection to reach answers that fall between scientific and theological lines.

So if he can not make judgement calls about his own views, then why should he be in the #1 seat?  How is he going to make a decision regarding which people to put into seats in other places in the government?  How is he going to know which bill to veto or help pass if he doe's not know his own moral grounding?  I guess he will just be the front man while the power lies with in someone else's hands?  Awesome!  So what, is he going to have Nancy telling him what to do?

He answered the question. He does say "I am pro-choice, and I do believe in Roe vs. Wade". He just offered some insight as to how he has struggled with the moral and ethical ramifications of the decision he has made.

You bring up his education as a defense for this comment, why?  It surely is not helping to defend him.  You ask any person on this forum the same question he was asked and I guarantee not 1 of them will say it is above my pay grade.  Then ask them after you get an answer on their view of the question what type of education they have.

I bring up his education because that's what he referenced in the framing of his response. He said "I think whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, is above my pay grade",  which to me means that he is neither god nor a scientist with all the answers.

I look forward to the debates as well.  One statement from Obama like this and McCain will be like a kid in a candy store.  

Granted, answers like this don't help Obama with pro-lifers. But answers like "how about $5 million", as defining rich, doesn't help McCain with the working/middle class either. Which voting block is actually in question?

I like your Bush comments by the way Good job!