they dont give a dam about telling the truth or not.. but they have prolly realised not many ppl gonna buy any product with Funcom in the box for the next 5 years or so at least.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Its funny, everyone wants them to own up, And when they do... more bitching. This also isnt the first time he has said most of this info, yet people will continue to cry about DX10 (even if they cant use it).

All of his responses seemed completely reasonable to me.

Most of his responces seemed fair. But what he was saying...without saying it, is that AoC was released to early. If he wants to gain peoples respect admit to that.

The bit about pvp not being a major aspect of the game is laughable.

The bit about forum moderation is laughable. Anyone saying game is crap has their post removed and their access deleted. It doesnt happen to people saying the game is great? Whats the difference?

Again Mrbloodworth you wont reply to this post as you cant.

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Its funny, everyone wants them to own up, And when they do... more bitching. This also isnt the first time he has said most of this info, yet people will continue to cry about DX10 (even if they cant use it).

All of his responses seemed completely reasonable to me.

 

Most of his responces seemed fair. But what he was saying...without saying it, is that AoC was released to early. If he wants to gain peoples respect admit to that.

The bit about pvp not being a major aspect of the game is laughable.

The bit about forum moderation is laughable. Anyone saying game is crap has their post removed and their access deleted. It doesnt happen to people saying the game is great? Whats the difference?

Again Mrbloodworth you wont reply to this post as you cant.

Don't worry about Mister "I can't believe the people on a crusade against Funcom, so I'm running my own crusade against the players" Bloodworth.  He's bound and determined to derail any negative discussion. You can spot these guys a mile away.
 

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On the interview, he gave his opinion on pvp not Funcoms.  An interesting little distraction during the interview.  Then he goes on about how "thats too bad" on missing the "promised" pvp patch deadline.  At least he is saying it up front they will give no new date until it's "perfect".  Honestly, when people claim all the homes and dreams of AoC are on test-live I laugh.  That's the real problem folks, whos paying to play on test-live?

Now I would definately mark his words when he says they have 400k active players.  Let's see how that lines up with the Q3 report.

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Its funny, everyone wants them to own up, And when they do... more bitching. This also isnt the first time he has said most of this info, yet people will continue to cry about DX10 (even if they cant use it).

All of his responses seemed completely reasonable to me.

 

Most of his responces seemed fair. But what he was saying...without saying it, is that AoC was released to early. If he wants to gain peoples respect admit to that.

The bit about pvp not being a major aspect of the game is laughable.

The bit about forum moderation is laughable. Anyone saying game is crap has their post removed and their access deleted. It doesnt happen to people saying the game is great? Whats the difference?

Again Mrbloodworth you wont reply to this post as you cant.

"I Quit" posts can quite possibly contain statements that break the ROC on the official boards and therefore will be deleted, simple as that. If you want to go thru the first 3 pages of the general discussion right now you will find several negative posts in 90% of the ones created in there. You will find people who have left who still hang aroung, look at every thread "Protus-War" posts in and every post from people with the "copy the warhammer bunny in your sig" types. Its plainly evident mods are leaving negative threads on the whole but do delete ones that go against the ROC.

PvP to Erling might not be the main interest to him in game. As gamers we should respect his opinion there and draw the line into thinking and wanting him to say something and the context in what it was actually said in. Remember there is a part 2, so look at the bigger picture. Seperate the PR from the guy who like games too part.

So what is wrong with saying the things he said about launch? Right up front said the same things as a lot of people said here, this is a good approach in recognising this communities concerns and relating to them.

There is no need to call people out "MrBloodworth" in the sense that your opinion is no open for discussion and he can't have a say - thats kinda silly and bully-ish. Some people only see desperation in a swing of obvious change in approach. Thats because they are still in the hurting process, first step in this is to know what the issues are and come forward with them, Erling is doing this back to the community in letting us know - "he heard, he is aware and he agrees". We now need to see the proof that is and FC are on the majority of gamers wavelengths.

For me this is a good interview, it expands on previous offering and the fact he is "doing the right thing" by admitting to issues and telling us the things we wanted to hear for a while is a step in the right direction. Rebuffing peoples claims that he is fail don't hold much weight in my opinion in reference to this interview which is 1. Human and 2. meeting the people who call him fail more than halfway.

Originally posted by Rebn77

 

Yes, it wasn't said the way I stated it ... But ....

Sieges, while PvP, didn't work at launch. Since then it's been fixed a bit but I still see posts on the official forums were people are having all kinds of problems with it.

How is the PvP system / levels not a major feature? They have been pushing PvP and saying how important PvP is to AoC for a long time.

Here's a link with an excerpt of an article on the official AoC site regarding PvP levels, and blood coins.

That's the thing I was pointing out though, his(E.E.) exact words were "in his personal opinion (as a gamer),  they weren't".

Which to me says he was basically just covering up his tracks from the last interview poorly(without forethought), I don't think he expected the question to be honest. EDIT- I base that thought on the fact his body language completely changed while responding to that question.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Its funny, everyone wants them to own up, And when they do... more bitching. This also isnt the first time he has said most of this info, yet people will continue to cry about DX10 (even if they cant use it).

All of his responses seemed completely reasonable to me.

 

Most of his responces seemed fair. But what he was saying...without saying it, is that AoC was released to early. If he wants to gain peoples respect admit to that.

The bit about pvp not being a major aspect of the game is laughable.

The bit about forum moderation is laughable. Anyone saying game is crap has their post removed and their access deleted. It doesnt happen to people saying the game is great? Whats the difference?

Again Mrbloodworth you wont reply to this post as you cant.

 

"I Quit" posts can quite possibly contain statements that break the ROC on the official boards and therefore will be deleted, simple as that. If you want to go thru the first 3 pages of the general discussion right now you will find several negative posts in 90% of the ones created in there. You will find people who have left who still hang aroung, look at every thread "Protus-War" posts in and every post from people with the "copy the warhammer bunny in your sig" types. Its plainly evident mods are leaving negative threads on the whole but do delete ones that go against the ROC.

PvP to Erling might not be the main interest to him in game. As gamers we should respect his opinion there and draw the line into thinking and wanting him to say something and the context in what it was actually said in. Remember there is a part 2, so look at the bigger picture. Seperate the PR from the guy who like games too part.

So what is wrong with saying the things he said about launch? Right up front said the same things as a lot of people said here, this is a good approach in recognising this communities concerns and relating to them.

There is no need to call people out "MrBloodworth" in the sense that your opinion is no open for discussion and he can't have a say - thats kinda silly and bully-ish. Some people only see desperation in a swing of obvious change in approach. Thats because they are still in the hurting process, first step in this is to know what the issues are and come forward with them, Erling is doing this back to the community in letting us know - "he heard, he is aware and he agrees". We now need to see the proof that is and FC are on the majority of gamers wavelengths.

For me this is a good interview, it expands on previous offering and the fact he is "doing the right thing" by admitting to issues and telling us the things we wanted to hear for a while is a step in the right direction. Rebuffing peoples claims that he is fail don't hold much weight in my opinion in reference to this interview which is 1. Human and 2. meeting the people who call him fail more than halfway.

i believe the problem is that a post that contains a postive message but turns into a flamewar will oftentimes be moderated individually instead of closing the whole post...but i very rarely see that on a negative post. either way, the mod editorials have to go. if your going to moderate than do so, but don't toss in one extra opinion before the thread is closed

Originally posted by gryjin

he also says that pvp EXP (as in the pvp lvling system...renown for you war peeps)  isn't a major feature...and i would agree it isn't really...but overall a good interview.....lots of people said they would just be happy if there was an apology, and i'm pretty sure there were about 20 in that interview

however, his comment about the forum moderation not being out of hand almost made me kick my kitten across the room....i've seen many "i quit" posts that were just a goodbye to the community that got banned in mere seconds...with no responses yet (to take the flaming and trolling aspect out of it) i'm sorry, but saying that you quit until things improve is not trolling...he needs to pull his head out of his ass on that issue

Ehem, in WAR you get both exp and renown from PvP(aka. RvR).

Just thought I would point that out.

On the video:

Erling needs to make an account on the MMORPG forums and explain to me why PvP is not a big feature.

Games are basically split up into 3 very important areas; PvE, PvP, and Crafting

*waits for Avery to defend Erling's bogus PvP comment, you know he will*

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Its funny, everyone wants them to own up, And when they do... more bitching. This also isnt the first time he has said most of this info, yet people will continue to cry about DX10 (even if they cant use it).

All of his responses seemed completely reasonable to me.

 

Most of his responces seemed fair. But what he was saying...without saying it, is that AoC was released to early. If he wants to gain peoples respect admit to that.

The bit about pvp not being a major aspect of the game is laughable.

The bit about forum moderation is laughable. Anyone saying game is crap has their post removed and their access deleted. It doesnt happen to people saying the game is great? Whats the difference?

Again Mrbloodworth you wont reply to this post as you cant.

 

"I Quit" posts can quite possibly contain statements that break the ROC on the official boards and therefore will be deleted, simple as that. If you want to go thru the first 3 pages of the general discussion right now you will find several negative posts in 90% of the ones created in there. You will find people who have left who still hang aroung, look at every thread "Protus-War" posts in and every post from people with the "copy the warhammer bunny in your sig" types. Its plainly evident mods are leaving negative threads on the whole but do delete ones that go against the ROC.

PvP to Erling might not be the main interest to him in game. As gamers we should respect his opinion there and draw the line into thinking and wanting him to say something and the context in what it was actually said in. Remember there is a part 2, so look at the bigger picture. Seperate the PR from the guy who like games too part.

So what is wrong with saying the things he said about launch? Right up front said the same things as a lot of people said here, this is a good approach in recognising this communities concerns and relating to them.

There is no need to call people out "MrBloodworth" in the sense that your opinion is no open for discussion and he can't have a say - thats kinda silly and bully-ish. Some people only see desperation in a swing of obvious change in approach. Thats because they are still in the hurting process, first step in this is to know what the issues are and come forward with them, Erling is doing this back to the community in letting us know - "he heard, he is aware and he agrees". We now need to see the proof that is and FC are on the majority of gamers wavelengths.

For me this is a good interview, it expands on previous offering and the fact he is "doing the right thing" by admitting to issues and telling us the things we wanted to hear for a while is a step in the right direction. Rebuffing peoples claims that he is fail don't hold much weight in my opinion in reference to this interview which is 1. Human and 2. meeting the people who call him fail more than halfway.

its over dude. you can stay aboard the sinking ship if you like but anyone with any sense has bailed.

Age of Conan is a PVE game with PVP on the side

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lol i kid i kid its not that important

Originally posted by Ghist

When Denial, PR Spin, Forum Nazism.  Out Right Lying doesn't work. Why not try the truth.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/videos/play/1288

 

The only desparation I see is with topics like this and more topics in this section. I know you guy's are all out of options to creat decent topics and actually talk about the game or how you could improve it, instead you guy's have found a new low to bitch about just anything you can get your hands on.

Originally posted by TheSheikh

*waits for Avery to defend Erling's bogus PvP comment, you know he will*

FC has to e-mail him the excuse before he can post it.**

** It will be an excerpt from some 3 - 6 month old statement  they are recycling

Originally posted by TheSheikh

Originally posted by gryjin

he also says that pvp EXP (as in the pvp lvling system...renown for you war peeps)  isn't a major feature...and i would agree it isn't really...but overall a good interview.....lots of people said they would just be happy if there was an apology, and i'm pretty sure there were about 20 in that interview

however, his comment about the forum moderation not being out of hand almost made me kick my kitten across the room....i've seen many "i quit" posts that were just a goodbye to the community that got banned in mere seconds...with no responses yet (to take the flaming and trolling aspect out of it) i'm sorry, but saying that you quit until things improve is not trolling...he needs to pull his head out of his ass on that issue

Ehem, in WAR you get both exp and renown from PvP(aka. RvR).

Just thought I would point that out.

 

On the video:

Erling needs to make an account on the MMORPG forums and explain to me why PvP is not a big feature.

Games are basically split up into 3 very important areas; PvE, PvP, and Crafting

 

*waits for Avery to defend Erling's bogus PvP comment, you know he will*

ah true...i keep forgetting i got my first 5 lvls off of just pvp lol.

anyway, as i stated before, i think he is talking about the pvp exp and fugitive system that isn't a major feature. its not really...unless you honestly can't tell how much fun your having in pvp unless the bar goes up

A lamb to slaugther.

Erling Ellingson as the big lier, the one responsible for the screw up.

In my opinion we may as well see him fired in the next two month and a funcom statement that everything will be well and it was solely his fault.

This would match the Funcom style regarding to AoC so far. Time will tell.

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by Ghist

When Denial, PR Spin, Forum Nazism.  Out Right Lying doesn't work. Why not try the truth.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/191/view/videos/play/1288

 

The only desparation I see is with topics like this and more topics in this section. I know you guy's are all out of options to creat decent topics and actually talk about the game or how you could improve it, instead you guy's have found a new low to bitch about just anything you can get your hands on.

Erling is the PR, the representatives of FC. So why does he say how he feels? And not how did FC promote this game as a pvp game for the pass few years? He's basically trying to do some damage control here in putting the blame on himself. 

Ideas have been flooding in the official forums ever since the game is being release, but what happens? The thread got lock, when they can't answer the question...

FC isint what it is today because of 1 or 2 incident, but accumulative of the failure of them in replying, telling the truth, failure  in delivering etc of what they promise for these pass 4 months...

But dont worry. When other games is launch in the next few months, we will leave it compeletely alone to rot...

And let the rest of you who somehow like to support an unfinish game, giving other dev the wrong signal, to carry on in peace....

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

 

PvP to Erling might not be the main interest to him in game. As gamers we should respect his opinion there and draw the line into thinking and wanting him to say something and the context in what it was actually said in. Remember there is a part 2, so look at the bigger picture. Seperate the PR from the guy who like games too part.

So what is wrong with saying the things he said about launch? Right up front said the same things as a lot of people said here, this is a good approach in recognising this communities concerns and relating to them.

 

Come on Amazing. I told you guys long before the launch that FC wouldn't be able to pull off PvP. Everyone with a technical background could tell you that. Still you where "troubled" and asked us to wait for a non scripted siege video. That never came btw. And now you are telling us that it wasn't the main intrerest ? But of course it wasn't, I told you so months and months before launch. That didn't stop EE to hype the PvP part to get as many boxes sold as possible. You need to take off your fanbois glasses and stop protecting these crooks before they drag you down with them.

Edit: A reference for latecomers: link

I feel sorry for Erling, i mean he has been shoved out there by Funcom to take all the flak when we all know that Gaute is one who should be in the firing line...

Why are people saying that he said PvP wasn't a main feature? What he said was that he didn't see PvP experience as a main feature, experience as in experience points. Come on everyone we all know that the main features touted were the combat system, the city building, sieges, and graphics.

Very good interview.
Stradden asked the top 5 concerns of this AoC-forum, if I remember correctly. Respect.

This is what I don't get. The PvP experience and DX10 were obviously minor features to Erling as he said he personally thought all the major ones got in. If that's the case why are they wanting to make those missing features "as good as possible" before they put it in the game. That would sound like a major feature.

It's a good thing that they are taking the time to finish those features correctly but I'm wondering why they didn't pay the same attention to their "major" features which were ALL broken or buggy at launch.

This was not even really for the players. The strategy here was to tell players what they want to hear. Tell the truth. This was mainly for the investors. they would think that because FC is being truthful about all the info given in this interview then there would be no reason to believe they were lying about their sub numbers. that is the key thing in this interview. that was the main reason for talking the way he did. I really didnt like how he said he understands how we all feel. making it sound like he really does care about how him and his company screwed over 800 thousand players. the way he talks and looks on camera explains so much. very manipulative. also he did lie several times in that video.  body language says so.cannot wait to see the restof the vid.

Originally posted by Shannia

OMFG.  It shows you how stupid managment is at Funcom.  Erling says that he PERSONALLY felt that PvP wasn't one of the main features of Age of Conan.  WHAT THE HELL!?!?!? 

Just to be clear, we were talking about PvP XP, not PvP in general...

I'm sick of the lying. Funcom needs to take a page out of the Mythic playbook and just be open and honest about what's done and what's going to be done with the game. EE mentions that Direct X wasnt going to be in at launch but it was too late to let anyone know since it was printed on the box. Is there no way to communicate with the player base besides the box....no forums...no website....no mmorpg.com? They could have simply said what he did in the interview at the outset instead of pulling a bait and switch. Also, EE says that he didn't count PvP among the list of important items that would be fixed soon. Since a large amount, if not the majority, of the player base rolled PvP at launch and they have open PvP zones on all servers, does anyone seriously believe that they missed that PvP was important. Either EE and Funcom are just blatantly lying about these and other issues or they are so incompetent that they shouldnt be running a MMO. Frankly, I wouldn't play AOC again even if it went F2P.

I hope everyone relizes that Erling has a job to protect.

To Avery and Bloodworth:

  This is a good interview, if only it had happened 2 months ago.  Really a sense of direction might haved saved my sub not statements like "AoC is steak" and "We had a great release".

As for the forum posts not being deleted, did you actually visit the forums for the first two months?  Reasonable posts early on were quickly closed and deleted.  Soon after Funcom started banning people for negative posts.  It's not till just recently has Funcom been overwhelmed and stopped the Nazism.

This guy can't be serious. The game is STILL broken, plagued with memory leaks, crashes, and patches that break more stuff than they fix (bosses hitting for 2,000+ damage at a part in the game where at most you have a few hundred hit points anyone, and at a point in the game that is entirely solo anyone??). The launch was one of the poorest in MMO history by most accounts.

Granted they seem to be working hard to make things right, but their communication sucks (to get any info, head to the EU forums, because they rarely tell the US forums anything), their patches come out feeling amazingly like they were never tested in house, and the player base is getting pissed (Just the other day fully half the threads in their general discussion forums were "I quit" - now they get locked and/or deleted).

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by TheSheikh

*waits for Avery to defend Erling's bogus PvP comment, you know he will*

 

FC has to e-mail him the excuse before he can post it.**

** It will be an excerpt from some 3 - 6 month old statement  they are recycling

Check out Straddens perspective in the comments for the video for your answer.