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Vemoi
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Joined: 5/14/05
Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets. |
9/01/08 11:00:54 PM#101
Originally posted by DailyBuzz Obama's thought process for choosing his VP was obviously not campaign motivated. Sure, 35% of delegates wanted him to pick Clinton and only 6% wanted Biden, but he is the one that has to judge how effective that administration would be. It sounds like you see the VP nomination as a two month parade instead of a four year commitment. McCain opted for a two month parade and Obama made the career decision. Which one displays better long term planning and judgment?
You could say the same about Palin. She was barely on the radar. McCain needed to to go to the base which he did. Obama needed the "experience" ticket which he did. As a conservative I think he made a BIG mistake not picking Hillery. He would have wrapped it up. I was really thiking McCain may ask Hillery to be VP, which would have been really out of the park. Most of the other McCain picks would have been dead in the water beside Palin and Jindal. To say Biden is helping the ticket is dreaming. I haven't been wrong since Reagan but this one, I don't know. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill |
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9/01/08 11:08:45 PM#102
Dr Chicken i agree i think both canidates picked poorly as well. I was all set to vote for Mc Cain but he paid homage to the right wing conservative vote. While i get it was a stragedy move why did he feel he had to cater to them? What about the moderates as well as the independent voters? To me this year will not be about demo/rep it will be who the swing voters are which are the independents. I was hoping for a Mc Cain liberman ticket...... I was also hoping O/hill ticket neither happened. While it is unlikely that something happens to either president while in office ( just in case i have to keep that in mind). Since i am clearly not conservative Mc Cains choice dissapointed me. Yes Mc Cain a pant suit mattered and she is NO hillary .................................. |
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DailyBuzz
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Joined: 9/25/07
Hey guys, I broke this...anyone know how to fix it? |
9/01/08 11:42:46 PM#103
Originally posted by Vemoi
I never insinuated that Biden is helping the ticket. I also thought I made my opinion clear that it was not Obama's intention to shore up the Clinton supporters with his VP selection (obviously it wasn't). What Obama did do was make a wise choice concerning governance, not campaigning success. Obama's choice of Biden ensures he has the right partner to run the country should he win the presidency. McCain went the campaign route, which let me down. I can't help it, I want my 2000 McCain back. Unfortunately, he's been lost forever. I should have accepted it in 2000. |
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DeserttFoxx
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Joined: 5/11/04
Cry Havok; and let loose the dogs of war. Si vis pacem, para bellum |
9/02/08 1:02:42 AM#104
Originally posted by honkeytonkma
No way the clintons would join mccain they have more sense than that.
You give people too much credit. Now the race will come down too, how much do they dislike obama. I dont see McCain surviving his entire campaing, which means there is a 90% chance, this woman will be running the country. Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson |
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9/02/08 4:42:59 AM#105
Someone described Palin as a old fashioned hillbilly wife and honestly the little she said makes me feel this way. She is quite ignorant and really no shocker Mccain would pick such a person look at some of her views Abortion - In 2002, while running for lieutenant governor, Palin called herself as "pro-life as any candidate can be."[39] She opposes abortion for rape and incest victims, supporting it only in cases where the mother's life is in danger,[105] and suggested that requiring parental consent for abortions be added to Alaska's constitution.[106] Palin does support contraception, and is a member of Feminists for Life.[39][107] ANWR drilling - Palin has strongly promoted oil and natural gas resource development in Alaska, including opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to drilling.[49] Yeeha drill the nature away!!! Capital Punishment - Palin favors capital punishment. She has stated that: "If the legislature passed a death penalty law, I would sign it. We have a right to know that someone who rapes and murders a child or kills an innocent person in a drive-by shooting will never be able to do that again."[108] Lets play god
Creationism and Evolution - In a televised debate in 2006, Palin said she supported teaching both creationism and evolution in public schools. She clarified her position the next day, saying that if a debate of alternative views arose in class she would not prohibit its discussion. She added that she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.[109] Global Warming - Palin does not believe that global warming is human-caused.[52] LOL ignorance is priceless but dangerous when an ignorant person is given power Guns - Palin, a long-time member of the National Rifle Association, strongly supports its interpretation of the Second Amendment as protecting individual rights to bear arms, including handguns. She also supports gun safety education for youth.[110] More yeehhaaa ride them cowgirl Marijuana - Palin opposes the legalization of marijuana in Alaska, stating concerns about the message re-legalization would send to her children. She has smoked marijuana in the past.[39] I did it so i know!!!! Same-Sex Marriage - Palin opposes same-sex marriage[39] and supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny state health benefits to same-sex couples.[111] Palin has stated that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.[39] Sex Education - Palin is a "firm supporter of abstinence-only education in schools" according to CNN in 2006.[112] When running for governor in 2006, Palin wrote, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," in response to a questionnaire by the Eagle Forum Alaska.[113][114] Too bad she was so busy preaching to everyone this and forgot to close her own daughter's legs Terrorism and Iraq - Palin's foreign policy positions were unclear at the time she was picked as McCain's running mate.[115] Shortly after she became governor in December 2006, the Alaska Business Monthly asked Palin for her views about troop escalations in Iraq. She replied "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place…"[116][117] She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".[75][115] Palin has also tied the war to the quest for new energy supplies, saying, "We are a nation at war and in many [ways] the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go."[118] At least she is woman enough to know the war is about oil Wildlife conservation - Palin opposed federal listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation,"[119] and supported a controversial predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves to increase moose populations for hunters.[120 Aerial hunting of wolves?Too much petrol to burn i see in alaska.And maybe she needs to learn that because a population of polar bears increases in a short term is no grounds to just remove them from the list . |
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9/02/08 11:38:29 AM#106
Originally posted by hercules
To Quote you "LOL ignorance is priceless but dangerous when an ignorant person is given power" Some times i hate the Internet... Just Because YOU think its Wrong Dosent make it true. Same goes for me. We Were Designed as a Republic And we Damn sure need to go back to it. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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Cabe2323
Novice Member
Joined: 8/03/06
The nine most terrifying words are: I''m from the government and I''m here to help. -Reagan |
9/02/08 12:46:33 PM#107
Originally posted by hercules
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9/02/08 2:16:55 PM#108
Originally posted by Ekibiogami
To Quote you "LOL ignorance is priceless but dangerous when an ignorant person is given power" Some times i hate the Internet... Just Because YOU think its Wrong Dosent make it true. Same goes for me. We Were Designed as a Republic And we Damn sure need to go back to it. Sorry but when someone comes to been vice president and ignores science just like Bush is doing then its very worrying.Reminds me of a number of disaster movies |
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Cabe2323
Novice Member
Joined: 8/03/06
The nine most terrifying words are: I''m from the government and I''m here to help. -Reagan |
9/02/08 2:30:16 PM#109
Originally posted by hercules
Yes it is a damn shame when people ignore the difference between a SCIENTIFIC THEORY (Such as Evolution, Man-made Global Warming, Creationism, etc) with a SCIENTIFIC FACT (Such as Gravity, Sun centric Galaxy, Earth being Round, etc). Global Warming is a FACT. Man Made Global Warming is a Theory. It is a Scientific Theory (which is better then just some crackpot idea) but it is still just a Theory. How more clear can it be? Currently playing: Looking Foward too: |
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9/02/08 8:51:48 PM#110
You can add another scary view to your list: Sarah and her husband support the Alaskan Independence Party. If you don't know what that is, it's a political group that advocates secession of Alaska from America. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php Here's a video of her praising AIP as Govenor: http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php
So let me see. The Republican Party has a theme: "Nation First" and here we have a VP candidate that supports "Alaska First" (AIP slogan). I'm starting to feel sorry for Republicans. I mean, now you have to sacrifice what precious little political dignity and political self-worth you have left to defend this crap. No doubt you will (just as soon as the talking points are delivered to your email address by Rove). |
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Cabe2323
Novice Member
Joined: 8/03/06
The nine most terrifying words are: I''m from the government and I''m here to help. -Reagan |
9/02/08 9:23:48 PM#111
Originally posted by Cerion
I am starting to think that Democrats don't even care if their information is even remotely truthful. She was never a member of the AIP. That is proven by voting registration, etc. Plus the President of the AIP stated that she (and her husband) was never a member. She did attend and praise them at a meeting stating that having competition in Politics is a good thing. If she had said that the Democratic Party was a good thing would you claim she was a Democrat? What a bunch of BS. This is just as bad as the "oh it wasn't her kid but her daughter's crap" that the liberal blogs were trying to pass off with 2 year old pictures (even though the child is 5 months old). It is just plain Pathetic. Currently playing: Looking Foward too: |
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9/02/08 10:01:37 PM#112
Originally posted by Cabe2323
I am starting to think that Democrats don't even care if their information is even remotely truthful. She was never a member of the AIP. That is proven by voting registration, etc. Plus the President of the AIP stated that she (and her husband) was never a member. She did attend and praise them at a meeting stating that having competition in Politics is a good thing. If she had said that the Democratic Party was a good thing would you claim she was a Democrat? What a bunch of BS. This is just as bad as the "oh it wasn't her kid but her daughter's crap" that the liberal blogs were trying to pass off with 2 year old pictures (even though the child is 5 months old). It is just plain Pathetic.
Oh, it is truthful. There are several sources within AIP, ON RECORD, as having seen the Palin's at various conventions, notably the 1994 convention. It is documented FACT that Mr Palin was a member of the AIP for 10 years, and involved in the movement extensively. As for the video, the problem is, as you point out, that she DIDN'T provide the Democratic conventions the same sort of video endorsement....hmmm that's fishy, isn't it? No. She creates a video endorsing the aims of the AIP, and offers warm wishes for their future ventures (presumably the group's desire to seccede from America). Fantastic. But hey, we all know that Facts have a Liberal bias, and should be ignored.
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Vemoi
Novice Member
Joined: 5/14/05
Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets. |
9/02/08 10:31:17 PM#113
Originally posted by Cabe2323
I am starting to think that Democrats don't even care if their information is even remotely truthful. She was never a member of the AIP. That is proven by voting registration, etc. Plus the President of the AIP stated that she (and her husband) was never a member. She did attend and praise them at a meeting stating that having competition in Politics is a good thing. If she had said that the Democratic Party was a good thing would you claim she was a Democrat? What a bunch of BS. This is just as bad as the "oh it wasn't her kid but her daughter's crap" that the liberal blogs were trying to pass off with 2 year old pictures (even though the child is 5 months old). It is just plain Pathetic.
Cabe, Let the left get it all out of their system. I am waiting for DKOS to come out with more inflamitory stuff to steer more people to McCain/Palin. Colmes sure has sank in my view also. Man, to think I was defending him just last week. The left has totally ignored Obamas criminal/racist/chicago machine connections. This stuff shows they are coming UNHINGED. "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill |
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Finwe
Novice Member
Joined: 7/15/03
All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. |
9/03/08 1:12:24 AM#114
If Alaska so deems it necessary to secede, they have the constitutional right to "The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis "If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979 |
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9/03/08 1:51:37 AM#115
And here are a few more scary connections. Turns out Palin is a Dominionist in the Pentacostal Church.
Essentially, the Dominionists wish to 'hurry along' Armageddon so that the Rapture happens soon. The above poster is partially correct that some Democratic supporters appear to have come 'unhinged.' Perhaps it's because we're trying to save this country that we love from the recklessness of certain elements of the Republican party. I say certain elements because there are still decent, honorable Republicans out there. Several of my good friends are such Republicans -- in fact, I'd vote FOR them if I had an honest chance. But hey, if McCain had truly vetted his VP choice, then the media and public wouldn't have to do his job for him now.
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9/03/08 3:50:40 AM#116
Originally posted by Cerion QFT. |
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9/03/08 5:40:15 AM#117
Oh Em Gee!!! If she becomes our vicepresident then I've lost all hope for this country. Seriously. But I really think she won't be our vicepresident. So that's good. I have to agree with you. She is freaking scary and it would further ruin this country to have her elected. |
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Cabe2323
Novice Member
Joined: 8/03/06
The nine most terrifying words are: I''m from the government and I''m here to help. -Reagan |
9/03/08 6:09:03 AM#118
Originally posted by Matt269
If Obama wins then I have lost all hope for this country. We might as well ask Russia if we can be part of their new Soviet Union. Currently playing: Looking Foward too: |
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9/03/08 7:13:12 AM#119
Originally posted by honkeytonkma
I'll tell you what's scarey about these conferences from a foreign perspective.
All these people wildly cheering uncontrollably as someone on a podium cries "Godbless America" or "Godbless American soldiers". And everybody there waves their flags and screams. Amd then someone slese gets up there and says "God Bless America" and the mass hysteria ensues again. (And they can go on and on like this for days. Lol). Each time they do that God Bless America. God Bless American Troops, and the entire crowd starts crying and screaming and jumping up and down with their flags in the air, I am uncontrollably reminded of Birchesgarden. It's scarey.
That woman has an 80% approval rating in her own state. The highest in American History by lots. She's on a par with the great communist leaders and dictators. She must be doing something right, if she's that in tune with her home crowd. If nothing else she is intresting. |
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9/03/08 12:28:02 PM#120
Originally posted by Enigma
Dude, lame response. That's no better than me saying McCain is a warmonger and senile. |
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