Originally posted by rav3n2

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What is the clear definition of open RvR server ruleset?

Josh Drescher: We're still working that out with some of the internal elder testers and some of our EA testers, primarily that's going to mean a lot more open field RvR. One of the things we're looking at right now, is do we keep the chicken mechanic in, if so, where, how do we implement it. We want to do it in a way that is sensible, but we don't want to turn it into chaos where it it's nonsense the entire time. We don't want to waste resources it will take to put up servers like that, and then have it turn out as something nobody actually likes playing on.

THIS will be inevitable on any server in any game with an "open" pvp rule...

I'm going core, plenty of RvR to be had on core.  I just may want to take a break now and then and do some pure PvE. 

Honestly, I have played 12 hours of strait RvR leveling up the enier time on core.  I then did some PvE for an hour just for a change of pace.

In the preview weekend, we crushed all of the unorganized destruction out of the t1 RvR zone and had nothing left to do except instances.

We desperately wanted to go into the zone and gank everyone, and cause some ruckus, but we couldn't.

Definitely going open.

think im going open as well. nothing better that making a death-squad with some guldies, ride around in the enemy teritory or hotspots outside instances, and kill everyone on our way.

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

Nothing against those of you that want to play on Core.... more power to ya...

Personally though, the immersion of the RvR struggle would be lost for me, if while I was grinding or questing, a player who was Destruction could jump in my face and follow me around without fear of any hostility

Said player could tag all the mobs I needed for quests, etc.... generally grief me and I could do nothing about it... why? because they arent "flagged" for RvR....

sorry... not my cup o tea

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

It's about choice - if you don't want to play on a FFA server where anything goes, don't ****ing choose that server.

Don't think you can dictate how some people want to play - carebears are a PITA to a PvPer, and constantly ruin the experience for folk who want to go that way.

Why are the FFA PvP servers pissing all over the carebear servers in AoC?  Because there is a market for it.

Going into a noob area and murdering lowbies isn't my first idea of FFA - killing people who piss me off or KS my mobs is.  I should have this option if I want it.  Griefers come in many shapes and sizes.

you lost all credibility due to your first sentence....

Open ruleset =/= FFA....  there is no FFA in Warhammer.... never will be. perma flag for RvR =/= FFA...

if you want to debate the issue, its a good idea not to degrade the other person with "then dont Fing play on it"...  try to have some more tact.

you try and insult others by calling them carebears... guess what?... RvR ENCOMPASSES PvE also... not just PvP

once again.... WAR had no FFA... never will....  deal with it.

It's all about the freedom to kill or get killed in a larger area and not passing by your sworn enemies without being able to do anything about their unacceptable presence -> realism

*prays for an Open/RP server*

Core servers will be better.

Core will get more respect.

Open will just be a waste of resources.

Nothing against those of you that want to play on Core.... more power to ya...

Personally though, the immersion of the RvR struggle would be lost for me, if while I was grinding or questing, a player who was Destruction could jump in my face and follow me around without fear of any hostility

Said player could tag all the mobs I needed for quests, etc.... generally grief me and I could do nothing about it... why? because they arent "flagged" for RvR....

sorry... not my cup o tea

I'm pretty sure I read that even on Core, opposing faction players entering your "PvE area" would be permanently RvR flagged until they leave. So if they stalk you in your zone you can attack them, but they can't attack you (until you flag yourself ofc).

Also the way I understand it the intention is that there is no shared area that isn't an RvR zone even for the Core ruleset. This means you won't (or shouldn't) usually see someone from an opposing faction doing PvE alongside you, unless you cross over into their zone and risk being attacked.

I think everyone is grossly overestimating Open ruleset pros and neglecting the cons.

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

Like you I also can't understand why people would choose Open Servers over Core ones, from the start this game was designed around the core ruleset and so it should've been.

I think the reason they have implemented the Open servers is to cater to all those people that like to go around and gank enemy players just to ruin their day and make themselves feel big.....I mean honestly whats the point? Its just sad! Especially if you were on the recieving end of that gank how would you feel then?

On the Open servers you can be attacked by other players from the start I mean wheres the fun in that?  This makes progression with your characters very difficult when at any point you can be killed unsuspectingly and then have to run all the way back to whatever it was you were doing.
There will just be constant masses of people ganking each other throughout the server, kinda defeats the purpose of having PVE at all if all you get when you try to do it is a mob of players chasing you.

Core servers are much better and also much more practical because it gives players freedom to do what they want, what I dont get is why people would rather roll in an Open server rather than in a Core one just being flagged all the time? Essentially thats all the difference is tbh, that way if you want to bash the living snot out of a likeminded player you can, it just prevents you from picking off players who dont wish to PvP which is what makes it fair.

Thats why I intend to Roll all my characters in the Core servers so I have the freedom to do what I want when I want without having to worry about being killed all the time.

Originally posted by ThurlowJ88

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

This makes progression with your characters very difficult when at any point you can be killed unsuspectingly and then have to run all the way back to whatever it was you were doing.

 

And That is EXACTLY why I will roll an open pvp server. That added sense of danger because there can be a thinking, plotting player stalking you and waiting to strike is one of the most important aspects of an MMO to me.

Please don't impose your own preference on the rest of the world.

Open rulset is still a big ?????????.  His ruleset is not finished yet.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by ThurlowJ88

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

This makes progression with your characters very difficult when at any point you can be killed unsuspectingly and then have to run all the way back to whatever it was you were doing.

 

 

And That is EXACTLY why I will roll an open pvp server. That added sense of danger because there can be a thinking, plotting player stalking you and waiting to strike is one of the most important aspects of an MMO to me.

Please don't impose your own preference on the rest of the world.

Haha, there will be no thinking and plotting person hiding in the trees.  You will be hunted by groups of people with nothing better to do than kill one person at a time.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by ThurlowJ88

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

This makes progression with your characters very difficult when at any point you can be killed unsuspectingly and then have to run all the way back to whatever it was you were doing.

 

 

And That is EXACTLY why I will roll an open pvp server. That added sense of danger because there can be a thinking, plotting player stalking you and waiting to strike is one of the most important aspects of an MMO to me.

Please don't impose your own preference on the rest of the world.

"Stalking" I guess this would work if you had some form of tracking ability but the game does not have one that I see. So open is really going to be a game of blind mans bluff as far as that goes. Also I find it quite limiting not being able to go back to lower tiers to be able to do old quests that could have been missed. I'm sure you you'll have fun doing chicken races pecking some ones eyes out.

your all bitching and griping and forgetting the most important detail, core and open servers are labled such, you have to chose to play open hence the only people on the open server know that they can be ganked ect.  quit complaining already and play on the server of your choice

less QQ more pewpew

rvr is rvr. If there is a battle ragunf against the realms then do you think it would stop in your enemies territory? Heck no...War is everywhere and playing on an open rvr server makes that statement even more true. Alot of players will be doing rvr a majority of the time and this just makes it easier cause you can grab a 6 man group and roam anywhere knowing one of two things will happen....either you will die or they will but being flagged for rvr isn't an option for either side.

Originally posted by neorandom

your all bitching and griping and forgetting the most important detail, core and open servers are labled such, you have to chose to play open hence the only people on the open server know that they can be ganked ect.  quit complaining already and play on the server of your choice

 

less QQ more pewpew

The reason most are griping is because three weeks into the game many of those that rolled on the open rule set will be flooding the boards with their thoughts on how everything is broken.  Of course this then equates into "Mythic is trash LOLOLOLOL don't buy their game."

I'll play open because PvE without the threat of PvP bores me to tears. Probably the most fun I had during preview weekend was doing the PQ near the greenskin warcamp when a pack of 12 or so dwarves kept attacking us while we were doing the PQ. Fighting them off while finishing the PQ was intense and more fun than any T1 RvR I did.

You couldn't pay me to play on core ruleset, the open one is going to be so much more fun. Zerg on Zerg RvR is only fun so long, single group on single group stays fun a lot longer for me.

I love corebears complaining about another ruleset they:

1. Are not forced to play

2. Will not be playing at all.

Thats like me playing field hockey complaining others playing ice hockey only because they like to hurt each other.

Who cares what the reason for Open RvR. You still get your Core, stop crying. It is so obvious the corebears feel weaker.

You dont hear any open RvR people cry about there being other rulesets than Open.

Corebears, pls stop, You are cool as well, dont cry. Dont feel weak. We still love you.

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Originally posted by Ender4

 

I'll play open because PvE without the threat of PvP bores me to tears. Probably the most fun I had during preview weekend was doing the PQ near the greenskin warcamp when a pack of 12 or so dwarves kept attacking us while we were doing the PQ. Fighting them off while finishing the PQ was intense and more fun than any T1 RvR I did.
You couldn't pay me to play on core ruleset, the open one is going to be so much more fun. Zerg on Zerg RvR is only fun so long, single group on single group stays fun a lot longer for me.

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Exactly! I don't want to play on a server where the only pvp you'll find is with mutual consent on predesignated areas. The option to attack and be attacked in other areas as well adds a sense of danger and excitement to this game and allows for more freedom; freedom for players to attack their enemy behind the front or freedom to engage in those random unpredictable skirmishes like you describe. Those will be just my cup of tea

I fully understand that a lot of people would prefer a safe, pve only part to the zones, just like folks like me prefer pvp freedom everywhere, but no one should say that one server type is lesser then the other or worse, shouldn't be there at all in WAR. It's a choice everyone has to make for him or herself and don't bitch about it. Simple.

Originally posted by baso80

I love corebears complaining about another ruleset they:

1. Are not forced to play

2. Will not be playing at all.

 

Thats like me playing field hockey complaining others playing ice hockey only because they like to hurt each other.

Who cares what the reason for Open RvR. You still get your Core, stop crying. It is so obvious the corebears feel weaker.

You dont hear any open RvR people cry about there being other rulesets than Open.

 

Corebears, pls stop, You are cool as well, dont cry. Dont feel weak. We still love you.

Please let me know what open server you are playing on.  I will be sure to avoid it.

You know what the worst part about video games is?? The kids..

All of the core folks make a good point.    But, you are right, they don't have to play there.. 

The maturity on this thread.. goes down with every post.

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Originally posted by toadkiller
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Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by medafor

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

they said themselves they are still deciding a lot of things to do in the open server. they said they may have several with different rules on several servers, and see which ones are liked the most. im sure the devs feel the same way you do. they  just want to offer something for that crowd that must have open pvp to appeal to them.

 

That's very good to hear, the way that Open RvR is scheduled to work now will have people complaining and crying left, right and center.

Seems to me that you are the one doing most of the 'crying' at the moment.

Why are you so concerned with how everyone else wants to play the game?  Just get on with your core server, and let anyone who wants to play open get on with theirs.

For your information, this 'minority' of players wanting open RvR stands at around 30% from the last poll I saw.

However, numbers are moot because Mythic WILL have these servers available at launch.  If they don't, it will cost them a lot of money.  It seems the customer is King at the moment.  Good enough for me.

Open servers for REAL pvpers .

Originally posted by kaishi00

Don't forget unlocking tome entries. Can't unlock much when you're a chicken.

actually yes you can..several o fthe tome entries & unlocks are for being a chicken, getting killed by a chicken as a chicken, killed by a chicken as a player, killing a player as a chicken etc.  

The chicken rule still applies to even the Open Servers...The servers allow you to PvP Everywhere including the PvE areas ...it how ever does NOT allow you to gank that would destroy the fundamental design behind the game.    They've stated numerous times they are nto doing a Free For All PvP server. 

Open simply means your rvr flagged all the time...if you hit a low level character in a lower Tier with ahigher Tiered toon you go poof chicken mode.

btw i plan to not play on the Open servers myself though I had considered it..I enjoy having my down time and still be in game.  Open Servers would ruin that unless I stayed inside the city or an outpost.  I honestly don't see what the big issue is here...they balanced the classes around group pvp..then the pve world around that instead of the usual pve then pvp balance scale that destroys most games.   The game is perfectly set up for Open Servers...without disrupting balance on other servers so...*shrug* why can't we have cake and eat it too for once?

People want to be RvR flagged all the time let them...you can do that to on the core servers you just can't Jump people who arent' flagged...you can however jump people on an open server...its WAR ...WAAGh!