http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/121350/137

I saw this today alot of it is speculation but too much comes together for it not to be true.  This lady LIED about having a child to protect her unwed preganant teenage daughter...  This is a big,big scandal.

I didn't buy it at first but then I guess women show more after serveral pregancies and that her daughter was pulled out of school for mono---- for 8 months?!! LOL   Yeah right ,I know what that means I went to Catholic school.   Here is the article posted for people who don't like to click:

Sorry for the wierd gaps where the pictures would be just go to the link....

arah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]
by ArcXIX
Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:12:31 PM PDT

Yesterday, with the news of Sarah Louise Heath Palin inexplicably being chosen as a Vice-Presidential nominee, the attentive American public was also introduced to her character. Unfortunately for all of us, it was filled with multiple instances of backtracking and outright lies. While Alaskans had been giving her an 80% approval rating, recently 87% of Alaskans polled on the subject of TrooperGate believed she was lying.

Now, I've known liars in my life. Their single core problem is not with themselves, but those around them. If they're never called out on their twisting of truths and fabrications, they simply continue to make larger lies.

Well, Sarah, I'm calling you a liar. And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better.

* ArcXIX's diary :: ::
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The story begins on March 6th, when Sarah decided to come forward and announce to the world that she was pregnant, a monumental occasion for an acting Governor. Republican Governor Jane Maria Swift of Massachusetts was the first sitting Governor in United States history to give birth in office just seven years before, and now here we were once again. Yet, no one could believe the news:

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

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Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

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Palin said she's not aiming to take any time off from her job as governor, assuming all goes well with the pregnancy.

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With Palin riding extraordinarily high popularity ratings, pundits have mentioned her as a potential vice presidential candidate. But she said Wednesday night she's "not pursuing or perpetuating it," adding, "I have no desire to leave my job at all as governor."

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She's known as a fashion plate, but said she hasn't been dressing differently to cover her barely perceptible bulge.

Funny quote on her having no desire for the Vice-Presidency aside, the article is direly clear. No one knew she was pregnant, not even her own staff. Quite a feat. Why the secrecy? Sarah has never given an answer, and upon further reading, no one has bothered to ask.

Seven months into a pregnancy, and no one noticed.

Even Harry Houdini would be impressed.

And how could anyone tell? Sarah's waistline never changed. Her wardrobe still remained tight and professional. In a video posted in February (nearing five months of pregnancy at the time), Sarah is seen trim, and walking around all of Juneau, Alaska.

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..."I like running the hills, it kills me, that's why I like it, I mean it thrashes your guts..."

Not exactly terminology said by a pregnant mother. Six months into pregnancy, she attended the National Governor's Association at the White House:

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The Associated Press provides two photos in this timespan, one three days later on February 28th:

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And another three days before the announcement, on March 3rd:

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Here she is, seven months pregnant, three days after her official announcement:

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And one week later:

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And that infamous video in which Sarah trashes Hillary Clinton? That was at the Newsweek Women & Leadership Event in Los Angeles, in March:

After previous pregnancies (in this case, four), and at later ages, the female body is meant to adjust and show changes earlier, not later as in Sarah's unprecedented case.

On Friday, April 18th, 2008, Sarah and her husband Todd were in Dallas, Texas for a Republican Governor's Convention. They had been in town for three days already, but Sarah had yet to give her keynote speaker address on energy policy. Then early Friday morning at 4:00am, Sarah began leaking amniotic fluid. Instead of checking into a hospital, she instead made a call to her doctor, and delivered the keynote speech.

"I was not going to miss that speech," she says.

She rushed so quickly from the podium afterwards that Texas Gov. Rick Perry nervously asked if she was about to deliver the baby then.

The oddities only grow from here on, as instead of rushing to a Dallas medical facility that could treat a mother who's amniotic fluid has been draining for hours on end (made even more crucial due to the fact that this is occurring a full month prematurely), Sarah & Todd instead opted to... Fly all the way back from Texas to Alaska. A dangerous choice, as with each pregnancy (once again, in this case after four previous), a mother's window of labor to delivery grows shorter and shorter.

Aboard Alaska Airlines, the flight lasted for eight hours, with an additional landing in Seattle. The majority of commercial airlines require mothers seven months pregnant to provide a doctor's letter to fly, but Sarah did not inform the airline of her condition. Alaska Airlines is one of the few airlines that do not require such a notice, despite the possibility of an emergency landings being required in such scenarios. That said, no one on board noticed that Sarah was going into labor:

"We leave the decision to fly up to our customers and their medical advisers," according to Alaska Airlines representative Caroline Boren.

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"Governor Palin was extremely pleasant to flight attendants and her stage of pregnancy was not apparent by observation as she didn’t show any signs of distress," Boren said.

Eight months pregnant. A 6.2 pound fetus. No one notices a visible trace. By the third trimester, a perfectly fit woman not wearing anything less than a space suit should be easily spotted as pregnant. Not in Sarah's case.

The plane then made a landing in Anchorage, Alaska. Does Sarah then visit a medical facility that can accommodate a premature birth in Alaska's most equipped city? No. She drives 45 minutes away, to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center, right outside the small village she used to govern as Mayor, Wasilla. Trig Palin is then delivered one month premature, Friday night. Sarah returned to work after three days.

The inherent need to absolutely have Trig delivered in a remote and possibly ill-equipped facility for premature deliveries, where Sarah would likely have numerous contacts and pull, does not sit well. The doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, approving of all of these actions borders on malpractice. Not treating leaking amniotic fluid causes infections, and time is of the essence after water breaks. Husband Todd Palin simply delivers this winner of a line:

"You can't have a fish picker from Texas," said Todd.

A poor motivation, to be sure. Another motivation began making its rounds in the Alaskan legislature, where everyone was initially shocked to hear the news.

Sarah Palin was not pregnant with child.

Her sixteen year-old daughter was.

Checking with the Anchorage High School that Bristol Palin attended, reporters were given word that her family had taken Bristol out of school due to contracting infectious mononucleosis. The amount of time Bristol was absent shifts from five to eight months.

Mono can last anywhere from two weeks to three months, but an eight month infection is a freak oddity. Yet it remains a common excuse given by girls in private & Catholic schools around the nation when pregnancy comes into play. Not the first time, not the last time.

The following photograph of Bristol has been dated late 2007:

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And the following photograph was printed in the Anchorage Daily News, on March 9th:

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Bristol is pregnant in these pictures. She is not carrying belly fat, which grows outwardly wide, and does not become dome-shaped. That's because fat is generally evenly distributed around the abdomen and a fetus is not. Bristol's chest is sticking out, a normal body reaction when sucking in stomach muscles.

Yesterday, the State of Alaska has also moved Sarah's photo page three different times from

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to

http://www1.gov.state.ak.us/...

to

http://gov.state.ak.us/...

... With losses of photos from January & April.

The final point of interest is that Trig Palin has been diagnosed with Down's syndrome (aka trisomy 21). This is an interesting point, as chances of having offspring with Down's Syndrome increases from under 1% to 3% after a mother reaches the age of 40. However, 80% of the cases of Down's Syndrome are in mother's under the age of 35, through sheer quantities of births in this age group.

People like to think the vetting process is secure, and completed months ahead of time, but ABC News has reported otherwise, painting a picture of a quick vetting process for Sarah by a small, but secretive group of McCain's legal staff. A proper vetting process under those circumstances would only go so far, and the true media vetting process has just begun.

It doesn't come as a surprise that this story was never properly researched. Palin was never on the National scene for more than a few minutes at a time, and local reporting only goes so far on a governor with an 80% approval rating. However, the motivation to cover daughter's pregnancy aligns with her political standings. She valiantly did not perform an abortion, but fell into the fundamentalist way of thinking, and covered up for the illicit (but natural) action's of her daughter.

There could be calls below to delete this information. Calls that this type of information is muckraking and 'below us'. The truth is not below any progressive, nor any citizen of the world that is one heartbeat away from having Palin as leader of the free world. We simply ask that she be forthright, honest, and not waste our time with such juvenile games that anyone with eyes can see as fabrication.

Bristol Palin rightfully should be able to embrace her child in public as her own, with no shame, and no quarter. And a mother should be just as accepting.

Digg It.

I was reading about this too earlier.  It does seem kind of strange.  Hmmmm...

Anyways, I can see a mother wanting to protect her daughter.  That is not unheard of.  However, at some point did they not realize that they weren't really protecting her anymore but really hurting her (if this is true of course).

Yeah, if all this is true then her daughter made a mistake.  But she was 16 a the time, and whether christian conservatives want to accept it or not, 16 year olds are out there doing it, even christian 16 year olds are doing it.  Dare I even say that I would bet probably just as many or more 16 year old christian kids are biting from the forbidden fruit than kids who came from parents who didn't preach to them every day?

She should have just come clean from the start.  If this is true, then what she's done is put a shame in her daughters head and compounded that shame by now making her daughter have to live with, and keep up, the "family secret" (aka lie).  What a horrible thing to do to her daughter for making a mistake in life.

When they are out in public isn't her daughter always holding the Down's Syndrome baby?  I think she is.  What if her daughter could now finally admit that is her child and love it openly as her own.  There may be some good that comes out of this in the end after all.  That and the exposure of what these parents did to this poor girl.

If this turns out to be true, then I hope people bring up this family values thing again.  I know I would not ever be ashamed of my children and tell them they have to live a lie for making a mistake.  And my family would live with the mistake honestly and make our way through it and fix it proudly.

Is this like how Cindy McCain lied about adopting their child from Mother Teresa? Or is it like John McCain plagairised  Alaexander Solzhenitsyn?  Yeah.. it's kindof a big deal, but will it break through to mainstream media? I doubt it.

I thought the crap about delivering a speech after her water broke and then flying all the way back to Alaska in this condition was not only strange but almost damning by itself. This is something she admits, proudly even.

The possibility that it was her daughter pregnant all along actually makes more sense to me and seems less "out-there" than the fact she was pregant. In fact, it is almost less damning than her taking risks with the child to deliver a speech and then flying to Alaska, at least on the surface. At first you have to admit that she isn't a hypocrite. If her daughter indeed became pregnant, she did not seek an abortion in any way. That shows true conviction and not false conviction like you get from George W. Bush. However, If this is truely the way it happened, I have to wonder what her motives are in concealing this. Obviously she would lose some of her conservative base because the same people who love her for being so anti-choice and anti-gay would look down on her if her kid got knocked up under 18. You have to wonder if this means she puts her own self, and her own politics above her own daughter's well being. You can imagine the conversation at the house when her daughter admitted to being pregnant: "You know what this will do to my image?!, my career?!" "We will not let you make a mockery of this family?!"

Normally I'd say that McCain's people couldn't be this stupid, but this was very much an unplanned choice and so they might have been digging into her "official" past instead of her "alleged" past. I won't commit to this 100% because this lacks both solid evidence and national attention, but I see it as just another example of strong misguided faith leading to poor family values and even worse character.

Laserwolf i am confused they kept the baby, rasing it ,did not abort it, and that is bad family values? Oh one more note for women over 40 down's syndrome is a risk .

Originally posted by Laserwolf

I thought the crap about delivering a speech after her water broke and then flying all the way back to Alaska in this condition was not only strange but almost damning by itself. This is something she admits, proudly even.

The possibility that it was her daughter pregnant all along actually makes more sense to me and seems less "out-there" than the fact she was pregant. In fact, it is almost less damning than her taking risks with the child to deliver a speech and then flying to Alaska, at least on the surface. At first you have to admit that she isn't a hypocrite. If her daughter indeed became pregnant, she did not seek an abortion in any way. That shows true conviction and not false conviction like you get from George W. Bush. However, If this is truely the way it happened, I have to wonder what her motives are in concealing this. Obviously she would lose some of her conservative base because the same people who love her for being so anti-choice and anti-gay would look down on her if her kid got knocked up under 18. You have to wonder if this means she puts her own self, and her own politics above her own daughter's well being. You can imagine the conversation at the house when her daughter admitted to being pregnant: "You know what this will do to my image?!, my career?!" "We will not let you make a mockery of this family?!"

Normally I'd say that McCain's people couldn't be this stupid, but this was very much an unplanned choice and so they might have been digging into her "official" past instead of her "alleged" past. I won't commit to this 100% because this lacks both solid evidence and national attention, but I see it as just another example of strong misguided faith leading to poor family values and even worse character.

This won't lose anything with her conservative base.  This is how conservative people handle a situation like this. 

I know it is difficult for you "who cares it just a fetus" people but if you believe that a baby begins at conception then you won't choose abortion to fix this problem.  A 16 year old is not ready for the emotional and financial burdens of taking care of a child.  So you say it is your child and take care of the child as if it was yours. 

Poor family values would of been getting an abortion.  Poor Family values would of been sending your child to school to be mocked by the other children (which still happens to this day) because she was pregnant. 

Sorry for you liberals but this is anything but an example of Poor Family Values.

Oh great now the Republicans have just lost all of the religious nutters.

I'd really respect a candidate that had the balls to go up and tell everyone that he's/she's an agnostic/buddhist/noncantholic, or simply tell America that his/her personal life that had nothing to do with the state was absolutely none of their fucking business. 

The point is that you can't say life is sacred and then treat it as shameful. Her daughter had nothing to lose in this situation, but she had everything to lose.

All she has to do is go on Oprah, cry, and apologize. Then she will have all the womens voters back for Nov.

Dailykooks with there conspiracy theories are at again.

OH KNOWS a Mom is trying to Protect her daughter!!!!!! Call the police Hang the wench! Wtfudge shale we ever do now. Next your gana say its a Bad thing that they are takeing care of the kid Instead of dooing the resposable thing of killing it before it was born??

I went to the page linked and read the comments ppl left there.

The majority of ppl on THAT site are calling for it to be pulled as tabloid trash.

Let's see if Druge picks it up...that will shine a big bright light on it and cause the truth to come forward if there is anything to it.

or is this simply another attempt at smear by the likes of the democrats?  Tick Tock Tick Tock

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Originally posted by Faxxer

I went to the page linked and read the comments ppl left there.

The majority of ppl on THAT site are calling for it to be pulled as tabloid trash.

Let's see if Druge picks it up...that will shine a big bright light on it and cause the truth to come forward if there is anything to it.

or is this simply another attempt at smear by the likes of the democrats?  Tick Tock Tick Tock

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DEMOCRAT SMEAR? oh jesus christ

Remember when john Kerry tried to use dick cheney's daughter against him about her being gay?  How it backfired?

He lost 5 points in polls over that.

Dems can't argue with legitimate debate on issues, they try to find a way to subjagate and silence their opponent.

let's talk about drilling in Alaska.  no...nancy won't allow the vote on it, she won't allow debate on it.  She stalled until they could go on vacation.  THAT is how dems do business.

I know it is difficult for you "who cares it just a fetus" people but if you believe that a baby begins at conception then you won't choose abortion to fix this problem.  A 16 year old is not ready for the emotional and financial burdens of taking care of a child.  So you say it is your child and take care of the child as if it was yours. 

Poor family values would of been getting an abortion.  Poor Family values would of been sending your child to school to be mocked by the other children (which still happens to this day) because she was pregnant. 

 

Sorry for you liberals but this is anything but an example of Poor Family Values.

"Who cares it's just a fetus"?   Anyone that approaches a discussion of abortion with this attitude is ignorant.

This is not a place to discuss when life starts, if it starts at all.

It is very gracious of you to have the VP candidates actions elevated to the status of "martyrdom".

She covered up an embarassing situation for herself. She avoided facing up to the fact that her daughter had pre-marital sex - a taboo in her cultural/political sphere.

What happened to abstinence? The VP candidate's daughter did not pass family values 101 it seems - either she was a bad student, had bad teachers, or both.

So people make mistakes, some choose abortion, others chose to bring a new life into the world. Neither is right or wrong, but thinking makes it so. That is "pro-choice".

As to "family values" . . . I can't even begin talking about what's wrong with that statement.

Originally posted by Faxxer

 

Dems can't argue with legitimate debate on issues, they try to find a way to subjagate and silence their opponent.

 

 

I'm assuming you mean in a different way than a mother subjugates and silences her own daughter.

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by Faxxer

 

Dems can't argue with legitimate debate on issues, they try to find a way to subjagate and silence their opponent.

 

 

 

I'm assuming you mean in a different way than a mother subjugates and silences her own daughter.

you make a big assumption there don't you think?
 

i cant say much on this issue, cause i've never even heard before now that it was a possibility that the child was not hers but really her daughters..

and i have reasoning going for both sides on this particular topic..

maybe it really was her child.. if she barely showed during her pregnancy, that doesn't surprise me at all.. all women have unique pregnancies..

for instance.. my two friends got pregnant right around the same time, one gained 60 lbs, two pant sizes, and everyone thought she would have twins, while another friend of mine only gained 20 lbs and barely looked pregnant at all, able to wear her normal clothes during her entire pregnacy.. in the end they both had healthy little girls, one weighing in at 9 lbs, the other 6 lbs.

but one thing that really gets me is where i heard that palin returned to office only 3 days post-partum.

now... that just seems fishy to me. i honestly dont think any real mother would return to work so shortly after going through labor. most people wait at the very least two weeks if not two months or two years before returning to work. regardless if she was a governor or not, i would think she'd take a little more time off to recover than a mere 3 days.

if she really is the mother.. great, good for her.. who gives a rats tail.. but if she's not... she shouldn't be lying about it just to protect her image and her teen's image...

idk & idc, this really doesnt affect me.

what does affect me, however, are her oil policies..

Why hasn't one single Sunday political news cast picked this story up yet? 

Am I missing something?  Or is this entire story just slander?

probably just slander..

Firstly, keep the rumors coming from DKOS! You are going to win a lot of converts when people go there and start reading the inclusive, tolerant, non-hateful, respectful, intellegent, quality posting they have there.

Second...if true, it will show the contrast of what Obama believes "I don't want my daughters saddled with a mistake" and questions above his pay grade with what Polin actually does with a BABY.

The KOSkids have stuff running up their legs along with Matthews and Olberman.

DailyKos? lol

wtf?

dear lord. how anyone runs for the big ticket is beyond me.

lets stick to the facts.

obama had a racist minister for 20 years.

he also has a friend who is a known terrorist, and a proud one at that too. "i wish we would've done more' in reference to blowing up stuff- said by william ayers.

obama, pfft.

you guys are dead meat.

and hillary will be a golden god, again.

"told ya so" she will say.

lay off the woman, you're being sexist.

obama,

'cant touch this'

Originally posted by Faxxer

you make a big assumption there don't you think?
 

 

I'm not sure I get what you mean. Do you mean it's a big assumption to infer that Sarah Palin didn't give birth to the child, or a big assumption to infer that the conservatives think it's alright to lie to the people they serve in order to maintain the support of their political base? My assumption was designated to the latter, seeing as how all the conservatives raced in here to defend Miss Wasilla's actions -particularly your ironic little zinger for the liberals.

However, since you brought the question to mind, let's discuss the actual parent issue a little further. Why are all the conservatives so quick to give this 16 year old a pass? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that? Is not having an abortion a justifiable reason to shuck your responsibilities as a mother?

I guess the experience argument was tossed upon selection. Now, out goes personal responsibility and integrity, a staple of "conservative values". I tell ya, the republican brand really is in trouble. Maybe they should start touting themselves as independents, like some of the republican cowards on this site.

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Originally posted by DailyBuzz

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Originally posted by Faxxer

you make a big assumption there don't you think?
 
 

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I'm not sure I get what you mean. Do you mean it's a big assumption to infer that Sarah Palin didn't give birth to the child, or a big assumption to infer that the conservatives think it's alright to lie to the people they serve in order to maintain the support of their political base? My assumption was designated to the latter, seeing as how all the conservatives raced in here to defend Miss Wasilla's actions -particularly your ironic little zinger for the liberals.
However, since you brought the question to mind, let's discuss the actual parent issue a little further. Why are all the conservatives so quick to give this 16 year old a pass? What ever happened to personal responsibility and all that? Is not having an abortion a justifiable reason to shuck your responsibilities as a mother?
I guess the experience argument was tossed upon selection. Now, out goes personal responsibility and integrity, a staple of "conservative values". I tell ya, the republican brand really is in trouble. Maybe they should start touting themselves as independents, like some of the republican cowards on this site.

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There is nothing to defend until something is proven. As of right now there is a dailykos article.