I wont deny that I'm in some way is disappointed in AOC. I was drawn into the hype and defended the
game on the forums. I even flamed in the WAR section, not evening knowing what I was talking about.

I havent played AOC for months. Not that I dislike the game, but rather that I'm sick of MMOs
and other games for the moment (I have pre-ordered WAR).

Funcom should get a kick in the butt for all there promises etc, I can agree with that.
Also the game engine seems to be written in spagetti-code. The devs change, fix or
add stuff in one section of the game, just to break another part of the game. That happens
easily when the foundation of the core code is hastly written and not object oriented.
Instead of using scripts, they are probably adding game logic directly into the code core.

Funcom aimed really high with AOC, and are now paying the price for it.

But in a longer perspective, AOC has really improved since launch. And the upcoming
features look great. Funcom doesnt deny that they are looking at the good stuff of other MMOs
trying to duplicate the features into there own game. This is in some way bad, since the
core of the game has to be modified in an extent It wasnt built orginally for.
But, on the other hand it's good thing since they dont let the game engine limit
what they can bring into the game.

AOC deserves some crap (I agree with that), but at the moment AOC it getting a really ridiculus
amount of crap that is not really fair. The game is not a disaster. The graphics and sound
is awesome, and I really like the inital PvE of the game. The PvP is a mess, which I hope
and belive they will fix. It just need some time.

At the moment I'm taking a break from all MMOs. I've pre-ordered WAR and will check it out
when it's released. But after being burned by the AOC hype, I don't have to high hopes
about WAR. Not that I belive it is unstabled, unbalanced, bad PvP, but rather that I frankly
have never played a MMO that lives up to the hype at release.

It takes years for MMOs to mature. WOW is great in it's own way, but lack the graphics and
sound of todays modern hardware. Same goes to EQ2, which has become a really nice.

At the moment, AOC has some aces in there deck of cards. The graphic in the game
is modern and will look great for years. Secondly, I find the melee combat system to
be plain awesome. I don't know any other MMO who can compete with those to
facts. Just give AOC some time (1-2 years), and It will be one of the bests MMOs
on the market.

Actually you are paying the price. There are so many AOC fans there are burned out now because of the huge hyper and had so high hopes for the game. 

On a side note WAR is shaping up very nicely, so I hear......

Why did you pre-order WAR if you're sick of MMOs?

Originally posted by Crusher

Just give AOC some time (1-2 years), and It will be one of the bests MMOs
on the market.

About 1-2 years from now Guild Wars 2 is released.

Originally posted by UncertaintyP

Why did you pre-order WAR if you're sick of MMOs?

I'm a MMO - holic. I'm a fool thinking that I will eventually find the ultimate MMO, the god of
all RPGs :)

Originally posted by Gurtelrose

Originally posted by Crusher

Just give AOC some time (1-2 years), and It will be one of the bests MMOs
on the market.

 

About 1-2 years from now Guild Wars 2 is released.

And we can play more counter-strike with bows and fireballs.

If Funcom doesn't sink with ship and crew before then, I expect the game to have become worthwhile in a year or so. Possibly even faster, if they invent some grand dummy project to keep Gaute Godager occupied while they salvage what they can of the AoC wreckage and rebuild it.

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

I'll take MMO disasters for $50 Alex.

What MMO release in 2008 lost half its player base in the first month after massive hype of non existent features?

Originally posted by Ed2099

I'll take MMO disasters for $50 Alex.

What MMO release in 2008 lost half its player base in the first month after massive hype of non existent features?

LOL that is funny.
 

I'll take MMO disasters for $100 Alex

What game company released a highly anticipated MMO that sold 800k copies but still lost $6 milion dollars the quarter it was released?

I define disaster as

(potential success #) - (actual result #) = (disaster magnitude #)

With this definition, AOC is the single biggest MMO disaster of all time

Originally posted by Ed2099

I'll take MMO disasters for $50 Alex.

What MMO release in 2008 lost half its player base in the first month after massive hype of non existent features?

What MMO ever got so many subscribers within 1st month after release ?

p.s. About lost half or more question (2007/2008) = vanguard,  tabula rasa .. those two are well known.

What relevance does it have to have so many subscribers after 1 month only to lose half or more.

Originally posted by Deto123

What relevance does it have to have so many subscribers after 1 month only to lose half or more.

Good question.  None.

People everywhere are used to paying $50 for a PC or console game.  It is no shocker that a lot of people buy AoC only to try it for 30 days and never play again.  Most gamers don't like $15 a month fees for games.  Besides, my best friends gets one or two new video games every other weekend.  People are used to a weekend or two of a game, beating it, and going to buy the next game they want to try.

In my guild, we had over 100 of us playing AoC when it started.  Now, we are split between WAR and DFO.  Everyone started playing AoC.  Only four are still playing as of last weekend.  If our guild is any indication of most pvp guilds out there, pvpers were highly disappointed in AoC.

Originally posted by Deto123

What relevance does it have to have so many subscribers after 1 month only to lose half or more.

The relevance in that is that the game was so crappy that they couldn't retain the people playing.

Originally posted by Crusher

Originally posted by UncertaintyP

Why did you pre-order WAR if you're sick of MMOs?

 

I'm a MMO - holic. I'm a fool thinking that I will eventually find the ultimate MMO, the god of
all RPGs :)

They ultimate MMO's have come and gone..  Ultima Online Pre-Trammel, and SWG pre-CU/NGE.

All that's left now is. /yawn fests and LOTRO.. (lol)  thank god there's about 300 decent X360 games coming out in the next few months to keep us entertained.  (And Little Big Planet for all the PS3 peoples!)  :)

Deserves alot more crap and is when said and done the worst mmo ever released. Just wait till the 3rd and 4th or year end report come out.

Its hard to say or put into any real perspective because there was and is so much dishonesty.

It poisons everyone's perceptions of things.  Even people who are not that involved.

The thing is in some aspects AoC was very good.  But it was so bad in some ways and those things were clearly used in a con job that doing a simple plus minus summation analysis just doesn't really happen.  Instead it becomes just plain bad.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Deserves alot more crap and is when said and done the worst mmo ever released. Just wait till the 3rd and 4th or year end report come out.

This was the kind of crap I was saying about WAR, just before AOC was released :)

I didn't know what I was talking about.

Originally posted by Crusher

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Deserves alot more crap and is when said and done the worst mmo ever released. Just wait till the 3rd and 4th or year end report come out.

 

This was the kind of crap I was saying about WAR, just before AOC was released :)

I didn't know what I was talking about.

The Q2 report was damning enough to cause a landslide in Funcoms' financial stablilty. And the game has degraded further since then. So it is easy to predict the Q3 report at least will be even more damning. The difference between your predictions for WAR and our predictions for AoC is we have publicly verifiable information to back ours up.

"AOC deserves some crap YES, disaster NO "

No disaster Yes. I gave up after reaching lvl 70 and just couldn't see myself grinding anymore Villas. God what a drag, I had high hopes for this one. You hit lvl 20 and the game starts falling apart.

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?    

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

Sigil is still in charge of Vanguard, they just have SOE funds now.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?    

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

No way.. Dark and Light is the champ of Epic Fail and probably will be for a long time.

Let's see.  AOC does deserve it's crap.  I honestly don't want the game to be a disaster, but then that would mean Funcom recovered and is now squeezing money out of people again.

The game is bad enough that it should be a disaster.  It makes me sad that a game like Auto Assault, made by the good company of NC Soft  failed.  Yet a game like AOC, run by the worst company ever, could possibly survive.

I don't want the AOC dead.  I want Funcom dead.  I wan't Funcom to get bought out by SOE.  Then I want SOE to fix Conan.  the fix will probably change everything in the game to something generic, but if Conan keeps its graphics, lore, and combat engine, I am all happy.  I don't care if the game is turned into a PvE game or all PvP.  Honestly if SOE took over right now, could they possibly make things any worst?

I'm angry that Funcom still keeps itself alive after 3 MMO launch failures.  Seeing them do the same mistakes and scams over and over upsets me.  Seeing a gem of a game ruined just really pisses me off.  I hate seeing peoples work wasted.  All the artist who started this project have been screwed.  Half of them can't even use this game as resume material because it was such a failure.  Seeing one of my favorite comic franchises disgraced by this company really pisses me off.  Now we got 2 crappy movies and a crappy game based around Conan.  <sigh>

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Lance08

AoC is the biggest disaster of the MMO world hands down.

 

Now, now.   Let's keep things in perspective.   Funcom did release a working (somewhat) game.    That puts them ahead of non-releases like Gods and Heroes. 

Core Mechanics Broken : Stats,Skills,Feats,Itemization

And Funcom remains an operating company after the game's launch.  That puts them ahead of Sigil and Vanguard. 

Sigil was bought out and sold out totally different thing, difference here no one woudl actually buy this off them and they know it.

And they don't have a batty lead developer who is going into space and taking player's DNA with them like Tabula Rasa. 

No true hes not using cheap marketing tricks, Funcoms Lead just out right lies, he delusional.

The one game that REALLY deserves the biggest disaster of MMORPGs still belongs to Dark and Light.    Remember how they kept charging players who tried to quit?    Then they get sued for stealing code?  

This i agree with to a extent but it doent come close to the hype and player mass dealth with here in comparison but yes this is a very smiliar case just on a much smaller level.

Sure AoC may have problems but there are bigger trainwrecks in the history of MMORPGs    It's important to keep the 'bottom of the barrel' at the right scale.   It serves as a calibration. 

Sorry i actually dont think so with everything taken into consideration this will go down in history as the beginning of the end for Funcom, regardless of them making new MMOs , we are the ones that own these companys they run off our world wide MMO community and word of mouth to be sustained and we the people have decided that this is SCANDAL. /Veto

Of course, that's not an excuse for Funcom in making a game with enough problems that it has be compared to those failures just so one can say it's not as bad as them.

Think again.