I say this because I notice Mythic and Adventurine have quite a bit in common. First off, they don't lie to their playerbase. From their mouth, what's said is said, and what's done is done; if there are changes in-between, it will be known by us. Second, they don't aim high then shoot low; they set their goals in a high place and attempt to cram a lot into a game, yet they still try to shoot even higher than that. Third, they aren't afraid to take something out if it doesn't meet their highest standards; by this, I mean very very high standards.

So in all honesty, given there has been a beta since late last year, I strongly believe we would be informed by Adventurine if things weren't looking good. They won't lie to us... If the game was going to take a nose-dive, we would have heard about it already. The latest from them is that everything is actually going as scheduled this time. That's not to say they won't do another push back; because if they do, it probably will not be a very large one at all.

Look at the trend here... Good business ethics is a must these days, win - lose - or draw. Unfortunately, there are still a crap-ton of companies who still don't get the point, leading players to think all companies are the same. Sounds kind of like a bad relationship doesn't it? Does not one become bitter after being boned by the opposite?

That's just my opinion--- Take it with a grain of salt if you wish.

It's Aventurine, and the only feature they've cut was prestige classes. The game is allegedly feature complete. They did, however, apparently push back a lot. I find the quip about business ethics unfair. No matter the company, if it were up to developers they'd all like all the time in the world to finish their work, but it's usually beyond their control, or even that of their superiors.

That said, if there really is a point when you are wondering what the thread title implies then that means DF is only as fun as watching people be wrong about stuff, so the nay-sayers would actually be right.

Darkfall obviously

The trolls will never "eat their own words" im afraid.  See how they have moved from calling the game vaporware to attacking its chances of being good on release.

Eventually it will turn to its graphics and how it wont update at all because of the long development.

Then eventually they will attack subscription numbers trying to compare it to non-niche games like WoW and WAR and say even AoC had more numbers.

But we will be too busy enjoying the game to even worry about all that right =)

I believe patience/faithfulness is rewarded, but the OP and I both know that's only absolutely true in one distinct case. Nothing to do with gaming, a little more important than that. However, while I agree that honesty is important and both Mythic and, I guess, Aventurine have high standards, I'm not sure the latter can truly deliver.

Do I think it's vaporware? No, that's silly, they're working on something, but who knows how good it'll be? Don't blame the trolls for taking reality seriously and presenting the very true possibility that it may not meet the expectations, especially since it seems to be promising a lot.

Mythic has better experience, more money, better PR, etc., and on top of that they're still honest. That's why they can make such a good game in only 3 years. I wish Darkfall the best (I'm skeptical right now but I enjoy watching the interesting flame wars between fanboys/trolls). It's not on my radar right now anyways, just waiting for WAR.

My number 1 concern about DF is the stability of the servers on release. 

Originally posted by originalegg

My number 1 concern about DF is the stability of the servers on release. 

And that is fine.  I have no problem with that.  The point most of us are talking about the trolls who have called it Vaporware and a hoax while insulting the followers of Darkfall.

We now have proof that Darkfall is not vaporware and now those same trolls are changing there arguement without admitting they were wrong.

I know its too much to ask for these trolls to act like men and admit when they are wrong but that is what I am asking.  Plain and simple.

I still consider it as counting your eggs before they hatch. I say the same thing to WAR users that think their game is going to release with 1.5M subs on the first month, with no exploits or bugs... full content every level, etc.

Realistically though I wish Darkfall success as I'd probably play it too if all the features stated are good, without being outdated due to the lengthy period it has taken to release (not to mention since the release is going to be 2008, the limited beta). Lag from old code, graphic engine supprt, etc could very well be outdated. I for one am not getting my hopes up for Darkfall or Mythic's game WAR.

Anyways, GL.

My number 1 concern when Darkfall releases will be where to find a good residence for older people with a decent internet connection.

Aventurine never gives any "bad" news.  They just dont.  So if they were running into issues, we would not know about it.  That should be obvious from the long history of the game.  We always get "almost ready for that next big step", but when it doesnt happen, we never get a correction or explaination.  They just move on to the next piece of "good" news.

In the end, I hope my skeptical opinion is wrong.  I will even allow you to point and laugh at the guy that dared question DF.  Doesnt mean I will admit I was wrong about being skeptical - this game warranted such an approach, whether it winds up being great or not.  But I do want to play the dream game, just the same as you.

I've been a naysayer for quite some time, BUT have NEVER claimed that this game was total vaporware. I always thought something was, at least, being developed.

I have to admit that  things are certainly cooking on high lately. Lots going on to suggest it may really be happening this time around.

But... Here's the problem.

There's always a BUT.... when it comes to Darkfall.

Somehow, someway, no matter how promising things look....

There's always a but...

My point is simply from past experience and nothing more. Something is ALWAYS coming in the near future with this game BUT... See what I did there?

It's ALWAYS close BUT... See what I did again?

Just to caution all the fans here who are demeaning and belittling the so-called naysayers lately. You will have ALL the rights to gloat, if and when the game actually releases, AND you will have earned apologies from ALL of us, myself included.

BUT...

The game is NOT out yet nor is there an official release date.

The promised video (from last May) is NOT even out yet.

The beta has NOT yet begun nor is there an actual date for same.

To this day NO ONE we actually know has ever played this game to tell us the truth about the project.

To this day NO credible gaming professionals have ever seen or played this game to tell us the truth about the state of this project.

I could go on, but... I won't. See what I did there?

Where is the vid

Originally posted by Talemire

I say this because I notice Mythic and Adventurine have quite a bit in common. First off, they don't lie to their playerbase. From their mouth, what's said is said, and what's done is done; if there are changes in-between, it will be known by us. Second, they don't aim high then shoot low; they set their goals in a high place and attempt to cram a lot into a game, yet they still try to shoot even higher than that. Third, they aren't afraid to take something out if it doesn't meet their highest standards; by this, I mean very very high standards.

So in all honesty, given there has been a beta since late last year, I strongly believe we would be informed by Adventurine if things weren't looking good. They won't lie to us... If the game was going to take a nose-dive, we would have heard about it already. The latest from them is that everything is actually going as scheduled this time. That's not to say they won't do another push back; because if they do, it probably will not be a very large one at all.

Look at the trend here... Good business ethics is a must these days, win - lose - or draw. Unfortunately, there are still a crap-ton of companies who still don't get the point, leading players to think all companies are the same. Sounds kind of like a bad relationship doesn't it? Does not one become bitter after being boned by the opposite?

That's just my opinion--- Take it with a grain of salt if you wish.

per the title of this thread - your naysayers are going to starve then
 

and as far as truth-telling, you say that you haven't been lied to but you have no way of telling if you have been told the truth

no - not vaporware but something else entirely

Wait, people actually think this game is still coming out?

Originally posted by skydragonren

Wait, people actually think this game is still coming out?

only the people who know how to read...and reason...and use common sense

on another note...the main forum is going nuts right now.   but still no news

Personally I'll be extremely amused when the game actually does comes out. . It's incapable of meeting the fanbois'  unrealistic expectations. People afraid of the open PvP ignore it in droves. Then the entire thing crashes and burns possibly without even being sold in the United States.

lol darkfall fans make me lol.

they try so hard to convince thme selves that the game is going well...

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by skydragonren

Wait, people actually think this game is still coming out?

 

only the people who know how to read...and reason...and use common sense

on another note...the main forum is going nuts right now.   but still no news

I can assure you that I'm extremely well educated and know how to read. Perhaps your 13-16 years on the planet give you some kind of vast insight the rest of us don't have.

You may be right. I admit the possibility BUT... (read my post earlier in this thread)

So far nothing has happened, but more promises. You should save your gloating for when the game actually either releases OR enters open beta.

Just my humble opinion.

its gonna be Dark and Light all over again.

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

Originally posted by URMAKER

its gonna be Dark and Light all over again.

I was going to say that, but I deleted my comment. Man, that was a great few weeks on mmorpg.com. So many people claiming how they were going to fix it.

Good, fun times.

Can't wait till Darkfall comes out so we can live it again.

Originally posted by originalegg

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

I thought so. You really consider the minor press release by an unknown (to the gaming community) to be some sort of proof that DF is coming out?

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

LMAO... more Tasos b.s.

First it was video incoming FRIDAY, which is today.

Now, it is because of vacations expect the video next week with an outside shot of still today.

Good grief.  It doesn't take a coder a six months to put a video together.  Matter of fact, anyone that knows how to use video software can get files back from 50 people and have a decent video out within a day.

Wish you all the best on this "video" and beta in October.

Video is up.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by originalegg

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

I thought so. You really consider the minor press release by an unknown (to the gaming community) to be some sort of proof that DF is coming out?

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

 

 

Kyleran....

How dare you question the obvious?

As originalegg posted.... 

"only the people who know how to read...and reason...and use common sense"

So, I guess that leaves all us naysayers out.

He also forgot to mention that I've read his EXACT words MANY times here. Back in 2003, 2005 and just last summer, 2007. I've also saved posts by Aragon and Downtoearth GUARANTEEING beta by April of 2008. Guaranteed this time!

But... My opinion is not valid since I can't read and use common sense.

 

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by originalegg

I stopped reading after you tried to assume my age range in some kind of attempt to discredit me.  (off by about a decade)

Fact is there is a press release that was not released by Aventurine concerning the publishing deal with Audiovisual.  Unless you have evidence that discredits Audiovisual, im going to just stick with good ol' occam's razor on this one.

I thought so. You really consider the minor press release by an unknown (to the gaming community) to be some sort of proof that DF is coming out?

If so, I'll point to SOE's signed, announced deal with PE for G&H and despite the fact the pre-order boxes were in stores, the game never came out. (people also had actually played a beta, for better or worse)

DF is a long way from becoming a released game and credible proof is still sorely lacking.

 

 

Kyleran....

How dare you question the obvious?

As originalegg posted.... 

"only the people who know how to read...and reason...and use common sense"

 

So, I guess that leaves all us naysayers out.

He also forgot to mention that I've read his EXACT words MANY times here. Back in 2003, 2005 and just last summer, 2007. I've also saved posts by Aragon and Downtoearth GUARANTEEING beta by April of 2008. Guaranteed this time!

But... My opinion is not valid since I can't read and use common sense.

 

*cough* If you knew how to read maybe you would have noticed the video is up and so are beta signups.