Originally posted by Blistermix

  So I'm am a SWG vet, one that returned a year or so ago and stayed. I have been reading these forums for about a year. These anti SWG threads pop up several times a week if not more often.

     Guy do you realize your still bitter and pissed towards the untimely death of a video game. There is no way in hell someone could still be this up set over the game. I know the whole "But I had friends there!" wine and it is wining BTW. I had and have friends there as well and  were still all in touch with each other with the exception of a couple. We don't really need SWG to maintain contact with each other, never did.

  AL of us the one's that stay and the ones that left are over it. I mean I have an X who left me for a buddy, because I would do meth, that hurt but I still got over it in about 6 month. People get over family members dying, losing there jobs, and other shit that is way more important than this damn game quicker than all of you are.  Also if any of the flamer I know are coming at this post hit it with but it was the funnest period of my life, you don't have one so you can't say that!

     Personally I just play it no for something to do with a few of my friends my toon is a hobby that all. I do miss the PRE NGE Post CU day but there done and there is NEVER GOING TO BE ANTHER PRE NGE OR PRE CU SWG because there isn't a big enough market for a sandbox game like that to ever make it worth a companies time to make. WoW had enticed a lot of these companies to go that direction and when it's done so are the Hay days of MMOs, WoW is a fad filled with none gamers that will return to there real lives and never play anther MMO, there will be no real coustmer base so no one is going to gamble the money on a game like what SWG was.

    So in closing, get over it, go out side and find something a little more meaning full to fill you freaking empty lives something other than a video game. 

                                                                                           Blistermix of Bria

 

paying to play a terrible game isn't normal.......on meth it is.

this message brought to you by the veteran committee against bad games

Originally posted by Blistermix

Only two flame's sad the bitter vets comity must be asleep. Ok heres the response I have to those two.

 1. Fisher Mage, No Sandbox will ever dethrone WoW, and no one thinks WoW is a sand box in any way. It's a liner game and thats what the majority of the the current MMO market likes. Other games like City of Hero's and Lord of the Rings are doing well for that reason and there also well put together. As far as Eve goes I understand it's got a solid following, I have never seen those numbers posted before though, you might be right, but still 250K when these guys are shotting for Millions isn't going to mean piss to any one freaking company.

2. Fordazzila, What defines a bad game, ou and a bunch of other people that complaining about it long after it shouldn't matter to you. If that does then I guess it is, my bad.

 

 For all we know SWG might be dead, Sony is a major corporation, that I will bet, doesn't read the these forums and even if it or they did, all the whining that goes on here wouldn't mean any thing to them. Whether it's alive or dead from a business end they don't care, they currently have there foot in the door on marketing Star Wars related anything. SWG might only have 1000 subscribers, there not going to drop it, not as long as they have that angle on any future product that the might be able to get involved in. If that upsets you too bad it's how it is, I personally don't care.  I have read a ton of shit about who made the NGE happen, how many people lost what and the $$$ info, it always changes. It doesn't matter and won't until Lucas Arts cancels what ever agreement they have. Their keeping the Matrix up for the same reason, and they have the money to lose doing it. Nothings going to change this no matter how many people are there or aren't there.

                                                                                                  Blistermix of Bria

                                                                         

when the very few who still play hate on those who quit

when the company running the game resort to a macrotranscam card game to make up for revenue lost due to the majority of players quitting

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Remember for your next "report" you will not be using makeup :)

Game on!

You must remember clowns are a crafty lot, they are not bound to keeping their word, as so long as it is done in a funny manner; well most of the time, depends on the type of clown.  Do understand Jester may very keep his word, but use another means to mask his identity, just to get to you.

He never said that he couldn't use other materials or blur the camera now did he?

i already hate the bioware SW MMO "component" game and its not even out yet.

The guy that stated there is NEVER going to be a pre nge/pre cu is TOTALLY WRONG.

There IS Pre CU and my long standing account got banned for talking about it here.

Originally posted by konrad16660

Die already die!  I would rather do the dishes than play this game.

So don't play it.

See, that was easy.

For me it was my first MMO and I found an avenue to persue my secret desires to be one with the force. Even if it may exist in an geo-centric universe...it was still epic to me. Think those who played it back in the day can appreciate what it was and have every right to 'hate' it now like a bad love. SOE was shady and slithered in a patch that changed the SWG world forever. I was mad as hell when it  happened and remember to this day how they just dropped it on everyone. Admit it or not SOE opened it up for another genre that didnt go over so well and in the process ruined the very idea of an MMO for thousands. Everyone has and have had great points on both sides. It just comes down to your level of expectations in a game. Mine was pre-cu so sorry for being upset with SOE. Sony is a shady company imo and experience. So all you 'don't hate' haters and everyone else...don't want to hear the whinning then don't read a thread about whinning. I also agree what is done is done and maybe it is time for those old SWG salties to start hating on some other let down MMO.

Originally posted by Dracus

Originally posted by Gutboy

Remember for your next "report" you will not be using makeup :)

Game on!

You must remember clowns are a crafty lot, they are not bound to keeping their word, as so long as it is done in a funny manner; well most of the time, depends on the type of clown.  Do understand Jester may very keep his word, but use another means to mask his identity, just to get to you.

He never said that he couldn't use other materials or blur the camera now did he?

He said "without makeup or mask." Direct quote. Now, if he chooses to obscure his identity some other way, I guess he'd technically be "keeping his word" ... however, it would be a rather cheesy way out of it, and I think would draw more attention to yet another failed "prediction."

Of course, in the world of Disgruntled Vet-land, failed "predictions" don't mean anything, they are simply swept under the rug as if they were never made.

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

 

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

In any world besides $OE's, what most of these "vets" do here would actually help those that are still playing the game.  Most companies listen to their customers, both past and present, take notes accordingly and try to actually learn something to increase profits and increase interest in their products.  Why $OE, still, does not even have a clue, well, it just boggles the mind.

Most of these "vets" want a classic server and I don't know a single person, outside of SOE Austin, that would not concede that such a deal would increase server populations, $OE revenues, make for a more interesting gameplay situation for existing players and new players alike, might just go along way for the CHANGES that $OE Austin has plagued the game with, and should teach $OE just exactly what their "methods" of administrating SWG have done to themselves.

Anywhere, but $OE world, someone would "get it".

Instead, you all got a "card game" which is taking players out of the virtual world to make servers seem even more desolate.  Incredible.

I

Lordlow has a good point, I left for nine months after the NGE all because of the way it was delivered, after a while my resentment passed if yours hasn't thats fine I guess the game didn't mean that much to me to be permanently alienated from it, still flaming everyone that even mentions the game after this long is messed up you have to admit. As far as Esquires statement, go back and read the part I posted about the Sony having a foot in the door on all things Star Wars if that doesn't clear it up for you, I don't know who could explain it to you. And as far as you go MichaelCr, did you forget the rest of that post?

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Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

 

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

 

In any world besides $OE's, what most of these "vets" do here would actually help those that are still playing the game.  Most companies listen to their customers, both past and present, take notes accordingly and try to actually learn something to increase profits and increase interest in their products.  Why $OE, still, does not even have a clue, well, it just boggles the mind.

Most of these "vets" want a classic server and I don't know a single person, outside of SOE Austin, that would not concede that such a deal would increase server populations, $OE revenues, make for a more interesting gameplay situation for existing players and new players alike, might just go along way for the CHANGES that $OE Austin has plagued the game with, and should teach $OE just exactly what their "methods" of administrating SWG have done to themselves.

Anywhere, but $OE world, someone would "get it".

Instead, you all got a "card game" which is taking players out of the virtual world to make servers seem even more desolate.  Incredible.

1. I love how people point to the card game as if it's something that SOE invented, or that didn't exist in other games.

2. Capitalizing the word "CHANGES" constantly is becoming rather trite.

3. None of what you posted even remotely debunks anything that I've posted. Far too many people around here take their dislike of SOE and SWG and project it on those who still play the game with absolutely no fear of reprisal, yet still throw themselves a pity party and insist that MMORPG.com is out to "get the vets." The hypocrisy, doublespeak and groupthink around here is simply stunning.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

 

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

 

In any world besides $OE's, what most of these "vets" do here would actually help those that are still playing the game.  Most companies listen to their customers, both past and present, take notes accordingly and try to actually learn something to increase profits and increase interest in their products.  Why $OE, still, does not even have a clue, well, it just boggles the mind.

Most of these "vets" want a classic server and I don't know a single person, outside of SOE Austin, that would not concede that such a deal would increase server populations, $OE revenues, make for a more interesting gameplay situation for existing players and new players alike, might just go along way for the CHANGES that $OE Austin has plagued the game with, and should teach $OE just exactly what their "methods" of administrating SWG have done to themselves.

Anywhere, but $OE world, someone would "get it".

Instead, you all got a "card game" which is taking players out of the virtual world to make servers seem even more desolate.  Incredible.

 

1. I love how people point to the card game as if it's something that SOE invented, or that didn't exist in other games.

2. Capitalizing the word "CHANGES" constantly is becoming rather trite.

3. None of what you posted even remotely debunks anything that I've posted. Far too many people around here take their dislike of SOE and SWG and project it on those who still play the game with absolutely no fear of reprisal, yet still throw themselves a pity party and insist that MMORPG.com is out to "get the vets." The hypocrisy, doublespeak and groupthink around here is simply stunning.

1.  As I'm sure you know, TCG is just another attempt at maximising dollars.  There is no attempt there to re-populate servers, fix issues, fix bugs, etc etc.  All it is, is a way to drain more dollars from the existing player base.  Does not even matter if another game, such as WoW, has it or not.  At least Blizzard has the player base to support such an addition.  Money, time, and resources were put into TCG via Sony/SOE.  Do you honestly think these resouces are placed in the best manner they could be for the betterment of SWG?  Where's the most "bang for the buck"?

2.  OK, Capitalizing the word CHANGES may, indeed, be trite.  But the CHANGES were and ARE the reason why we are all here.  If there were no CU, NGE, GCW re-vamp, C6CD, GU-whatever, stealth nerfs, nerfs, etc. etc, you or I, either one, would simply NOT be here and discussing anything.  We would be, in the game, paying SOE cash for the privilage.  I capitol the word "CHANGES" specifically for $OE as that is the ENTIRE reason this board exists, the other SOE "hate" sites, the reason why SWG population numbers are now in the dump, and the reason why thier revenue is so low they have to come up with TCG to try something, anything, to keep it all going.

3.  I'm not trying to "de-bunke" you in the slightest.  We have had many a spirited discussion on the SWG boards and I very, very, rarely resort to "flaming" other posters.  This IS NOT a problem between you and I, it IS a problem between SOE and it's customers, both past and present.  This includes both of us.  I'm am sure that BOTH of us want the best for SWG, I am aware that you know very well what would help SWG, and it would seem NEITHER one of us can get thru to SOE Austin.  That is the problem here.  It's not unsubed "vets" against subbed players, or at least it should not be.  $OE started this junk, they caused this so called "war" between the player base, and they ARE the only ones that can clean up their own mess.

I did notice you didn't "debunk" my points, either other my my "trite" use of the word "CHANGES" which, in all probability, will continue right up and until $OE figures it out.

And here, I thought your personal "pet pieve" was my use of the term, the Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade.

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

 

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

 

In any world besides $OE's, what most of these "vets" do here would actually help those that are still playing the game.  Most companies listen to their customers, both past and present, take notes accordingly and try to actually learn something to increase profits and increase interest in their products.  Why $OE, still, does not even have a clue, well, it just boggles the mind.

Most of these "vets" want a classic server and I don't know a single person, outside of SOE Austin, that would not concede that such a deal would increase server populations, $OE revenues, make for a more interesting gameplay situation for existing players and new players alike, might just go along way for the CHANGES that $OE Austin has plagued the game with, and should teach $OE just exactly what their "methods" of administrating SWG have done to themselves.

Anywhere, but $OE world, someone would "get it".

Instead, you all got a "card game" which is taking players out of the virtual world to make servers seem even more desolate.  Incredible.

 

1. I love how people point to the card game as if it's something that SOE invented, or that didn't exist in other games.

2. Capitalizing the word "CHANGES" constantly is becoming rather trite.

3. None of what you posted even remotely debunks anything that I've posted. Far too many people around here take their dislike of SOE and SWG and project it on those who still play the game with absolutely no fear of reprisal, yet still throw themselves a pity party and insist that MMORPG.com is out to "get the vets." The hypocrisy, doublespeak and groupthink around here is simply stunning.

 

1.  As I'm sure you know, TCG is just another attempt at maximising dollars.  There is no attempt there to re-populate servers, fix issues, fix bugs, etc etc.  All it is, is a way to drain more dollars from the existing player base.  Does not even matter if another game, such as WoW, has it or not.  At least Blizzard has the player base to support such an addition.  Money, time, and resources were put into TCG via Sony/SOE.  Do you honestly think these resouces are placed in the best manner they could be for the betterment of SWG?  Where's the most "bang for the buck"?

2.  OK, Capitalizing the word CHANGES may, indeed, be trite.  But the CHANGES were and ARE the reason why we are all here.  If there were no CU, NGE, GCW re-vamp, C6CD, GU-whatever, stealth nerfs, nerfs, etc. etc, you or I, either one, would simply NOT be here and discussing anything.  We would be, in the game, paying SOE cash for the privilage.  I capitol the word "CHANGES" specifically for $OE as that is the ENTIRE reason this board exists, the other SOE "hate" sites, the reason why SWG population numbers are now in the dump, and the reason why thier revenue is so low they have to come up with TCG to try something, anything, to keep it all going.

3.  I'm not trying to "de-bunke" you in the slightest.  We have had many a spirited discussion on the SWG boards and I very, very, rarely resort to "flaming" other posters.  This IS NOT a problem between you and I, it IS a problem between SOE and it's customers, both past and present.  This includes both of us.  I'm am sure that BOTH of us want the best for SWG, I am aware that you know very well what would help SWG, and it would seem NEITHER one of us can get thru to SOE Austin.  That is the problem here.  It's not unsubed "vets" against subbed players, or at least it should not be.  $OE started this junk, they caused this so called "war" between the player base, and they ARE the only ones that can clean up their own mess.

I did notice you didn't "debunk" my points, either other my my "trite" use of the word "CHANGES" which, in all probability, will continue right up and until $OE figures it out.

1. Of COURSE it's a money grab. A completely optional money grab, one that no player is under any obligation to participate in if they don't want to. And while money and time from SOE were used in implementing this, a VAST majority of that time and development effort was done in SOE's Denver studio. The apparent impact on SOE Austin hasn't been that bad.

2. We could argue the pros and cons of different changes until we're blue in the face.

3. You're right, it should not be "vets" vs. "active players." But I could dredge up hundreds upon hundreds of comments from tons of commenters around here who refer to the current players as stupid, lazy, unethical, immoral, and basically responsible for (or at least complicit in) the raping of the Star Wars franchise.

Originally posted by kobie173

3. You're right, it should not be "vets" vs. "active players." But I could dredge up hundreds upon hundreds of comments from tons of commenters around here who refer to the current players as stupid, lazy, unethical, immoral, and basically responsible for (or at least complicit in) the raping of the Star Wars franchise.

Yes the NGE has done so much to promote the Star Wars franchise. Meatlumps lol.

Originally posted by pdxgeek

Originally posted by kobie173

3. You're right, it should not be "vets" vs. "active players." But I could dredge up hundreds upon hundreds of comments from tons of commenters around here who refer to the current players as stupid, lazy, unethical, immoral, and basically responsible for (or at least complicit in) the raping of the Star Wars franchise.

 

Yes the NGE has done so much to promote the Star Wars franchise. Meatlumps lol.

Thank you for your utterly pointless contribution to the discussion. What, exactly, do meatlumps have to do with the so-called "vets" and their continued denigration of the playerbase?
 

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Esquire1980

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by fordzilla

Originally posted by Blistermix

  Hate on those who quit or wine constantly? Quit no, this is an anti winner, and hates a little extreme, try sick and tired of trying to read SWG post on these forums and having to search through the endless posts that bash the game. Which BTW I know this post started out doing that, which is why I decided to bring the issue of letting it go here.

  So if the game shuts down, what then, I play other games as well, I'll just move on, will you continue attack anything SWG and or SOE related till people are don't even remember the game any more?

                                                                                                 Blistermix or Bria

 

attack is a little extreme, try sick and tired of nge fans permeating this forum complaining about us.

 

Attack is FAR from a little extreme, in fact it's dead on. Anyone who does not toe the Vet line -- SWG is the worst game ever and John Smedley should be strung up by his balls -- is dismissed as at best a fanboi, a viral marketer, or at worst an SOE employee. It seems impossible to the people around here that someone can like the game despite its flaws, since you don't.

 

In any world besides $OE's, what most of these "vets" do here would actually help those that are still playing the game.  Most companies listen to their customers, both past and present, take notes accordingly and try to actually learn something to increase profits and increase interest in their products.  Why $OE, still, does not even have a clue, well, it just boggles the mind.

Most of these "vets" want a classic server and I don't know a single person, outside of SOE Austin, that would not concede that such a deal would increase server populations, $OE revenues, make for a more interesting gameplay situation for existing players and new players alike, might just go along way for the CHANGES that $OE Austin has plagued the game with, and should teach $OE just exactly what their "methods" of administrating SWG have done to themselves.

Anywhere, but $OE world, someone would "get it".

Instead, you all got a "card game" which is taking players out of the virtual world to make servers seem even more desolate.  Incredible.

 

1. I love how people point to the card game as if it's something that SOE invented, or that didn't exist in other games.

2. Capitalizing the word "CHANGES" constantly is becoming rather trite.

3. None of what you posted even remotely debunks anything that I've posted. Far too many people around here take their dislike of SOE and SWG and project it on those who still play the game with absolutely no fear of reprisal, yet still throw themselves a pity party and insist that MMORPG.com is out to "get the vets." The hypocrisy, doublespeak and groupthink around here is simply stunning.

 

1.  As I'm sure you know, TCG is just another attempt at maximising dollars.  There is no attempt there to re-populate servers, fix issues, fix bugs, etc etc.  All it is, is a way to drain more dollars from the existing player base.  Does not even matter if another game, such as WoW, has it or not.  At least Blizzard has the player base to support such an addition.  Money, time, and resources were put into TCG via Sony/SOE.  Do you honestly think these resouces are placed in the best manner they could be for the betterment of SWG?  Where's the most "bang for the buck"?

2.  OK, Capitalizing the word CHANGES may, indeed, be trite.  But the CHANGES were and ARE the reason why we are all here.  If there were no CU, NGE, GCW re-vamp, C6CD, GU-whatever, stealth nerfs, nerfs, etc. etc, you or I, either one, would simply NOT be here and discussing anything.  We would be, in the game, paying SOE cash for the privilage.  I capitol the word "CHANGES" specifically for $OE as that is the ENTIRE reason this board exists, the other SOE "hate" sites, the reason why SWG population numbers are now in the dump, and the reason why thier revenue is so low they have to come up with TCG to try something, anything, to keep it all going.

3.  I'm not trying to "de-bunke" you in the slightest.  We have had many a spirited discussion on the SWG boards and I very, very, rarely resort to "flaming" other posters.  This IS NOT a problem between you and I, it IS a problem between SOE and it's customers, both past and present.  This includes both of us.  I'm am sure that BOTH of us want the best for SWG, I am aware that you know very well what would help SWG, and it would seem NEITHER one of us can get thru to SOE Austin.  That is the problem here.  It's not unsubed "vets" against subbed players, or at least it should not be.  $OE started this junk, they caused this so called "war" between the player base, and they ARE the only ones that can clean up their own mess.

I did notice you didn't "debunk" my points, either other my my "trite" use of the word "CHANGES" which, in all probability, will continue right up and until $OE figures it out.

 

1. Of COURSE it's a money grab. A completely optional money grab, one that no player is under any obligation to participate in if they don't want to. And while money and time from SOE were used in implementing this, a VAST majority of that time and development effort was done in SOE's Denver studio. The apparent impact on SOE Austin hasn't been that bad.

2. We could argue the pros and cons of different changes until we're blue in the face.

3. You're right, it should not be "vets" vs. "active players." But I could dredge up hundreds upon hundreds of comments from tons of commenters around here who refer to the current players as stupid, lazy, unethical, immoral, and basically responsible for (or at least complicit in) the raping of the Star Wars franchise.

1.  Yeah, it's pretty easy to see the motives behind the card game.  And remember, I called it an addition, not a CHANGE.  I, personally have no problems with TCG other than the fact, if they would have used the Denver Studio to release a "classic server", it would of got the game. players both past and present, and $OE a much better return.

2.  Yep, been there, done that and probably will again.  But, the most "heated" discussions on CHANGES seem to be around the combat system and CHANGES to existing code.  There again, is the entire reason this board, and others like it, exists.

3.  You and I, both, have seen both sides come off with some "low blows".  Doesn't necessarly make it right, but it certainly goes on from both sides.  But, when you get right down to it, $OE created this riff in players, past and present, and $OE is probably the only 1 entity that can stop it.