Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by kilixen

Originally posted by Aragon100

I even warned people of it but it was like talking to closed ears.

Oh so you do know what it feels like talking to you?

 

He just thinks that he is better because he thinks he will be able to test Darkfall before he pays for it.

 

We shall see if that truly comes to pass, eh? I wonder if Audiovisual is of a mind to do that free playtesting thing.

 

there just distributing

Exactly my point. They handle the distribution of the game in any shape and form. It says so in the contract that was signed, shown in the other thread here. What do you think free playtesting is? It's a distribution of the game.

Originally posted by COORS

Originally posted by Vansinne

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Aragon100
The difference btw you and me is that i can actually show that a development of the game Darkfall is taking place. I have hardcore facts backing my statements, at least as far as it can be considered facts what developers delivers.

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YES! He has proof! Hardcore FACTS.

Hardcore facts.

Tasos said this, Tasos said that. And here is the link to that!

OMFG, look at this screenshot from 2004! Woooo, FACT! FACT!

Look at this will you non-believer! 1 TB of raw footage! "They" said this video will make us shit ourself! "They" said this. "They" said that.

Facts?

...Or bullshit?

I think Aragon100, that you need a good lesson in understanding facts from hype. And you'll learn soon enough that not every fucking word your mighty Tasos says is genuine truth.

 

- Zaxx

 

How about;

Henning? Brannoc? Half team at E3 when they bringed a video? The other guys working at Aventurine or just been hired in? The Womens Gamer? The Random dudes visit the studio? trademark sites? The Screens? Videos? Journals?

It's not enough to you. But for the majority of the gaming world it's enough.

 

Vansinne.... No offense but...

What MAJORITY of the gaming world are you referring to? This game is NOT covered in ANY major gaming site or magazine we know of on the planet.

Don't blame me for that. I didn't do it. But it's a FACT. You may disprove it by showing links to ANY current writeup of Darkfall if you like.

My point is. Apparantly, MOST major gaming professionals have serious questions regarding this project for whatever reasons.

Who knows.... We may ALL be incorrect and this game will end up actually being the second coming of Christ as Aragon believes. It's possible.

But until we (reasonable thinking individuals) actually "see" something tangible, it's hard to believe.

I have no idea how many professionals that have questions about the development of Darkfall. But I think many of them think it's something in development, which started this conversation.

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by kilixen

Originally posted by Aragon100

I even warned people of it but it was like talking to closed ears.

Oh so you do know what it feels like talking to you?

 

He just thinks that he is better because he thinks he will be able to test Darkfall before he pays for it.

 

We shall see if that truly comes to pass, eh? I wonder if Audiovisual is of a mind to do that free playtesting thing.

 

there just distributing

 

Exactly my point. They handle the distribution of the game in any shape and form. It says so in the contract that was signed, shown in the other thread here. What do you think free playtesting is? It's a distribution of the game.

i dont know but thre still self publishing the game there just gettign distrubution help the play test could be you have to buy the cd to keep playing which would work and you just get cds shipped to you after words.

kinda like if you download the game for open beta. but you still get the whole game when it releases. the playtesting thing will be before release so its like an open beta. alot of open beta dont have cds with them

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Originally posted by Aragon100
Since Darkfall will be a game i can try before i buy it its no risk whatsoever i will feel cheated on buying the game.

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And this my friend, is exactly what I am talking about.

You trust them. You trust Tasos, after all the lies and empty promises made over the years, you still trust everything they say. Like them saying that everyone will get to try the game before putting up a credit card or any money at all.

Just as you spoke of how you saw all the bad coming with AoC and warned the AoC followers, and they didn't listen.. I could also warn you of all the lies told by Tasos and on the Darkfall forums. And that list would be a mile long. I could post links to all the lies told after an exhaustive search. And still, you wouldn't care.

You believe Tasos and that Darkfall is the best mmo to be developed since UO. I genuinely respect your desires for a great new PvP and full loot mmo made in the shadows of the depth and high risk vs reward game like UO was. I respect your loyalty based on really only your high desires and wishes.

I and many others have been here before however. We've been here through the years of Mourning making grand promises of the next best mmo PvP game. Then we witnessed all the promises of Dark and Light. And then we saw Vanguard fall short of expectations. But especially these small development teams that promise the world like the teams that brought us Mourning and Dark and Light. Their hearts may have been in the right place to bring us all a great new PvP game that they saw was badly needed in the mmo marketplace. Or they saw an empty hole to try and fill. Regardless, they made promises of features and graphics and game play that simply could not possibly ever be fulfilled. Even if God was on their side, they were destined in the end to fail, and to fail hard.

So now we come to Darkfall. Another small unproven team trying to make even a more ambitious mmo. Actually, I'd say this is easily the most ambitious mmo ever attempted by anyone, ever. After 5 years or 8 years, depending on when you consider their start date... we still don't even have any real game footage of actual game play. Sure we have lots of screenshots and a few videos supposedly showing game elements. But nothing that feels genuinely REAL to me. I'm not saying that Darkfall is a hoax or an evil scheme, but so far I'm simply not convinced that this is even going to be a stable, functioning game yet... much less one of the best mmo's ever made with some of the most ambitious features ever attempted functioning in it.

All the lies and mysteries and suspicious behavior over the years certainly have not helped jaded gamers like myself feel more confident in Darkfalls chances of success. In fact, it seems that the more they say and promise, and the more screenshots and videos they release, the more I feel a "deju vu" feeling that is strikingly similar to the days before Mourning and Dark and Light launched their embarrassing games to the public.

So back to the topic, you trust them. You trust them when they tell you that you wont pay anything to play the game yourself.

I don't believe that. I believe that if they don't make any money from customers, it will be simply because they never release their game. If they release their game, I think that they will certainly make some money off of it. Especially considering the fact that I believe, based only on my experience, that if they ever release, it will be a totally broken and embarrassing game.

I really hope that I am wrong about Darkfall. I would to come back here, and I will, if I am wrong. I will apologize and admit how wrong I was. If Darkfall launches and is even anywhere close to as stable and fun as Age of Conan was, I will come here and admit to being wrong about it.

....But first it has to actually launch. And it has to run halfway smoothly with atleast 50% of its promised features working. And that is a HUGE "IF" in my opinion. Huge.

I'm being completely honest when I tell you that I have already made a bet with a friend. I have $250 of mine bet against Darkfall launching before the end of 2009 and being even halfway successful, functioning, and playable. If it is, I give him $250. If however, Darkfall does not release by end of 2009, or is a nightmare like Mourning or Dark and Light with bugs making the game basically unplayable as I suspect.. then he owes me $5. I have given him 50 to 1 odds. By the way, he likes the ideas of Darkfall, but does not believe in it for even a moment either. But he told me that he'd gladly bet me and hope to win a game like Darkfall promises and $250 as well, even though he agrees that he'll very likely be handing me $5. You think I'm crazy? Maybe I desire a game like Darkfall promises quite a lot, because I will gladly pay him $250 to be wrong and see Darkfall succeed. If I lose, I'll consider myself the winner here, handing him $250. I hope like hell I don't win his $5. Hehe.

The worst thing that could happen is that I am right about Darkfall. That it either doesn't release or that it releases as a pile of crap. If that happens, then the mmo community that desires another great risk vs reward PvP mmo will become even more jaded then they already are after games like Mourning, Dark and Light, and even Vanguard and Age of Conan. It's certainly about time we all get the game that we want with all the sugar coated WoW style hold-you-by-the-hand mmos out there. But as a jaded and very skeptical gamer myself, I just don't have much hope for Darkfall to be our answer, especially after all the lies and deceit that has come from them.

Furthermore, most of us you Darkfall fans are calling "trolls" are actually not trolls. Most of us are giving plenty of substance and explanation for why we doubt Darkfall. We are jaded from promises just like the ones thrown at us from Darkfall and being let down. We have been down this road before thinking we might just quench our deep thirst for a good PvP mmo game over the next hill... only to wind up with broken dreams and promises and a broken game in the end. We have plenty of reason to be skeptical, and it's not all the other failed games fault. Darkfall and people like Tasos have given us plenty of good reason to have doubts. Lot of doubts.

- Zaxx

Originally posted by downtoearth

 

i dont know but thre still self publishing the game there just gettign distrubution help the play test could be you have to buy the cd to keep playing which would work and you just get cds shipped to you after words

The agreement states that they handed out ALL the distribution rights to Audiovisual. That means they are not self-publishing at all.

who cares lol

playtesting is a form of open beta

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Aragon100
Since Darkfall will be a game i can try before i buy it its no risk whatsoever i will feel cheated on buying the game.

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And this my friend, is exactly what I am talking about.

You trust them. You trust Tasos, after all the lies and empty promises made over the years, you still trust everything they say. Like them saying that everyone will get to try the game before putting up a credit card or any money at all.

Just as you spoke of how you saw all the bad coming with AoC and warned the AoC followers, and they didn't listen.. I could also warn you of all the lies told by Tasos and on the Darkfall forums. And that list would be a mile long. I could post links to all the lies told after an exhaustive search. And still, you wouldn't care.

You believe Tasos and that Darkfall is the best mmo to be developed since UO. I genuinely respect your desires for a great new PvP and full loot mmo made in the shadows of the depth and high risk vs reward game like UO was. I respect your loyalty based on really only your high desires and wishes.

I and many others have been here before however. We've been here through the years of Mourning making grand promises of the next best mmo PvP game. Then we witnessed all the promises of Dark and Light. And then we saw Vanguard fall short of expectations. But especially these small development teams that promise the world like the teams that brought us Mourning and Dark and Light. Their hearts may have been in the right place to bring us all a great new PvP game that they saw was badly needed in the mmo marketplace. Or they saw an empty hole to try and fill. Regardless, they made promises of features and graphics and game play that simply could not possibly ever be fulfilled. Even if God was on their side, they were destined in the end to fail, and to fail hard.

So now we come to Darkfall. Another small unproven team trying to make even a more ambitious mmo. Actually, I'd say this is easily the most ambitious mmo ever attempted by anyone, ever. After 5 years or 8 years, depending on when you consider their start date... we still don't even have and real game footage of actual game play. Sure we have lots of screenshots and a few videos supposedly showing game elements. But nothing that feels genuinely REAL to me. I'm not saying that Darkfall is a hoax or an evil scheme, but so far I'm simply not convinced that this is even going to be a stable, functioning game yet... much less one of the best mmo's ever made with some of the most ambitious features ever attempting functioning in it.

All the lies and mysteries and suspicious behavior over the years certainly have not helped jaded gamers like myself feel more confident in Darkfalls chances of success. In fact, it seems that the more they say and promise, and the more screenshots and videos they release, the more I feel a "deju vu" feeling that is strikingly similar to the days before Mourning and Dark and Light launched their embarrassing games to the public.

So back to the topic, you trust them. You trust them when they tell you that you wont pay anything to play the game yourself.

I don't believe that. I believe that if they don't make any money from customers, it will be simply because they never release their game. If they release their game, I think that they will certainly make some money off of it. Especially considering the fact that I believe, based only on my experience, that if they ever release, it will be a totally broken and embarrassing game.

I really hope that I am wrong about Darkfall. I would to come back here, and I will, if I am wrong. I will apologize and admit how wrong I was. If Darkfall launches and is even anywhere close to as stable and fun as Age of Conan was, I will come here and admit to being wrong about it.

....But first it has to actually launch. And it has to run halfway smoothly with atleast 50% of its promised features working. And that is a HUGE "IF" in my opinion. Huge.

I'm being completely honest when I tell you that I have already made a bet with a friend. I have $250 of mine bet against Darkfall launching before the end of 2009 and being even halfway successful, functioning, and playable. If it is, I give him $250. If however, Darkfall does not release by end of 2009, or is a nightmare like Mourning or Dark and Light with bugs making the game basically unplayable as I suspect.. then he owes me $5. I have given him 50 to 1 odds. By the way, he likes the ideas of Darkfall, but does not believe in it for even a moment either. But he told me that he'd gladly bet me and hope to win a game like Darkfall promises and $250 as well, even though he agrees that he'll very likely be handing me $5. You think I'm crazy? Maybe I desire a game like Darkfall promises quite a lot, because I will gladly pay him $250 to be wrong and see Darkfall succeed. If I lose, I'll consider myself the winner here, handing him $250. I hope like hell I don't win his $5. Hehe.

The worst thing that could happen is that I am right about Darkfall. That it either doesn't release or that it releases as a pile of crap. If that happens, then the mmo community that desires another great risk vs reward PvP mmo will become even more jaded then they already are after games like Mourning, Dark and Light, and even Vanguard and Age of Conan. It's certainly about time we all get the game that we want with all the sugar coated WoW style hold-you-by-the-hand mmos out there. But as a jaded and very skeptical gamer myself, I just don't have much hope for Darkfall to be our answer, especially after all the lies and deceit that has come from them.

Furthermore, most of us you Darkfall fans are calling "trolls" are actually not trolls. Most of us are giving plenty of substance and explanation for why we doubt Darkfall. We are jaded from promises just like the ones thrown at us from Darkfall and being let down. We have been down this road before thinking we might just quench our deep thirst for a good PvP mmo game over the next hill... only to wind up with broken dreams and promises and a broken game in the end. We have plenty of reason to be skeptical, and it's not all the other failed games fault. Darkfall and people like Tasos have given us plenty of good reason to have doubts. Lot of doubts.

- Zaxx
 

what lies? there the problem yout hink there lies but they just told us what they was planing on doing. things came up it didnt happen. thats not a lie

example.  You say your going to give someone a ride some where. you go out  and your car wont start... Thats not a lie.

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Originally posted by downtoearth
what lies?

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{Shakes head sadly, shrugs shoulders in an "it's hopeless" fashion}

Sometimes the bubbles have to be busted by the source which created the bubbles I guess. (bubbles meaning dreams, high expectations, perhaps even fantasies)

Time will answer your question of "what lies" my friend. It's obvious that I could write and even provide links to 100 of the lies, and still you would make excuses and not see the obvious. It'll all come crashing on you at once. Everything. All the lies, all the deceit and empty promises of what might have been. Prepare yourself buddy....

{turns and walks away....}

- Zaxx

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by downtoearth
what lies?

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{Shakes head sadly, shrugs shoulders in an "it's hopeless" fashion}

Sometimes the bubbles have to be busted by the source which created the bubbles I guess. (bubbles meaning dreams, high expectations, perhaps even fantasies)

Time will answer your question of "what lies" my friend. It's obvious that I could write and even provide links to 100 of the lies, and still you would make excuses and not see the obvious. It'll all come crashing on you at once. Everything. All the lies, all the deceit and empty promises of what might have been. Prepare yourself buddy....

{turns and walks away....}

 

- Zaxx

 

good dont waste your time.. and yes time will tell
 

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by downtoearth
what lies?

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{Shakes head sadly, shrugs shoulders in an "it's hopeless" fashion}

Sometimes the bubbles have to be busted by the source which created the bubbles I guess. (bubbles meaning dreams, high expectations, perhaps even fantasies)

Time will answer your question of "what lies" my friend. It's obvious that I could write and even provide links to 100 of the lies, and still you would make excuses and not see the obvious. It'll all come crashing on you at once. Everything. All the lies, all the deceit and empty promises of what might have been. Prepare yourself buddy....

{turns and walks away....}

 

- Zaxx

 

Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

Or: You say you're going to give someone a ride somewhere. You go out and your car makes a speech at a conference where it says it's worked in a myriad of projects and companies completely uncredited and that the video it's showing has never been seen before and that the project it is working on now has a community of well over 3 million users, then contacts journalists to correct his job title on a report of said conference while expliclity confirming the rest of the stuff.

That kind of stuff.

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

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Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Aragon100
Since Darkfall will be a game i can try before i buy it its no risk whatsoever i will feel cheated on buying the game.

---

 

And this my friend, is exactly what I am talking about.

You trust them. You trust Tasos, after all the lies and empty promises made over the years, you still trust everything they say. Like them saying that everyone will get to try the game before putting up a credit card or any money at all.

Just as you spoke of how you saw all the bad coming with AoC and warned the AoC followers, and they didn't listen.. I could also warn you of all the lies told by Tasos and on the Darkfall forums. And that list would be a mile long. I could post links to all the lies told after an exhaustive search. And still, you wouldn't care.

You believe Tasos and that Darkfall is the best mmo to be developed since UO. I genuinely respect your desires for a great new PvP and full loot mmo made in the shadows of the depth and high risk vs reward game like UO was. I respect your loyalty based on really only your high desires and wishes.

I and many others have been here before however. We've been here through the years of Mourning making grand promises of the next best mmo PvP game. Then we witnessed all the promises of Dark and Light. And then we saw Vanguard fall short of expectations. But especially these small development teams that promise the world like the teams that brought us Mourning and Dark and Light. Their hearts may have been in the right place to bring us all a great new PvP game that they saw was badly needed in the mmo marketplace. Or they saw an empty hole to try and fill. Regardless, they made promises of features and graphics and game play that simply could not possibly ever be fulfilled. Even if God was on their side, they were destined in the end to fail, and to fail hard.

So now we come to Darkfall. Another small unproven team trying to make even a more ambitious mmo. Actually, I'd say this is easily the most ambitious mmo ever attempted by anyone, ever. After 5 years or 8 years, depending on when you consider their start date... we still don't even have and real game footage of actual game play. Sure we have lots of screenshots and a few videos supposedly showing game elements. But nothing that feels genuinely REAL to me. I'm not saying that Darkfall is a hoax or an evil scheme, but so far I'm simply not convinced that this is even going to be a stable, functioning game yet... much less one of the best mmo's ever made with some of the most ambitious features ever attempting functioning in it.

All the lies and mysteries and suspicious behavior over the years certainly have not helped jaded gamers like myself feel more confident in Darkfalls chances of success. In fact, it seems that the more they say and promise, and the more screenshots and videos they release, the more I feel a "deju vu" feeling that is strikingly similar to the days before Mourning and Dark and Light launched their embarrassing games to the public.

So back to the topic, you trust them. You trust them when they tell you that you wont pay anything to play the game yourself.

I don't believe that. I believe that if they don't make any money from customers, it will be simply because they never release their game. If they release their game, I think that they will certainly make some money off of it. Especially considering the fact that I believe, based only on my experience, that if they ever release, it will be a totally broken and embarrassing game.

I really hope that I am wrong about Darkfall. I would to come back here, and I will, if I am wrong. I will apologize and admit how wrong I was. If Darkfall launches and is even anywhere close to as stable and fun as Age of Conan was, I will come here and admit to being wrong about it.

....But first it has to actually launch. And it has to run halfway smoothly with atleast 50% of its promised features working. And that is a HUGE "IF" in my opinion. Huge.

I'm being completely honest when I tell you that I have already made a bet with a friend. I have $250 of mine bet against Darkfall launching before the end of 2009 and being even halfway successful, functioning, and playable. If it is, I give him $250. If however, Darkfall does not release by end of 2009, or is a nightmare like Mourning or Dark and Light with bugs making the game basically unplayable as I suspect.. then he owes me $5. I have given him 50 to 1 odds. By the way, he likes the ideas of Darkfall, but does not believe in it for even a moment either. But he told me that he'd gladly bet me and hope to win a game like Darkfall promises and $250 as well, even though he agrees that he'll very likely be handing me $5. You think I'm crazy? Maybe I desire a game like Darkfall promises quite a lot, because I will gladly pay him $250 to be wrong and see Darkfall succeed. If I lose, I'll consider myself the winner here, handing him $250. I hope like hell I don't win his $5. Hehe.

The worst thing that could happen is that I am right about Darkfall. That it either doesn't release or that it releases as a pile of crap. If that happens, then the mmo community that desires another great risk vs reward PvP mmo will become even more jaded then they already are after games like Mourning, Dark and Light, and even Vanguard and Age of Conan. It's certainly about time we all get the game that we want with all the sugar coated WoW style hold-you-by-the-hand mmos out there. But as a jaded and very skeptical gamer myself, I just don't have much hope for Darkfall to be our answer, especially after all the lies and deceit that has come from them.

Furthermore, most of us you Darkfall fans are calling "trolls" are actually not trolls. Most of us are giving plenty of substance and explanation for why we doubt Darkfall. We are jaded from promises just like the ones thrown at us from Darkfall and being let down. We have been down this road before thinking we might just quench our deep thirst for a good PvP mmo game over the next hill... only to wind up with broken dreams and promises and a broken game in the end. We have plenty of reason to be skeptical, and it's not all the other failed games fault. Darkfall and people like Tasos have given us plenty of good reason to have doubts. Lot of doubts.

- Zaxx
 

 

what lies? there the problem yout hink there lies but they just told us what they was planing on doing. things came up it didnt happen. thats not a lie

example.  You say your going to give someone a ride some where. you go out  and your car wont start... Thats not a lie.

So so true no point humoring the disbelievers at this point in time they are just making themselves look more and more well... better not say.

Hurah HUrah for DF

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

----------

Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

Just go read up on what a development cycle is , everything Tasos speaks about is in that context. pretty simple but you seem to wan't to create lies out of updates as to what comes next in the dev cycle. The intent is true, circumstance takes the opportunity away... thats no lie... 

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by downtoearth
what lies?

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{Shakes head sadly, shrugs shoulders in an "it's hopeless" fashion}

Sometimes the bubbles have to be busted by the source which created the bubbles I guess. (bubbles meaning dreams, high expectations, perhaps even fantasies)

Time will answer your question of "what lies" my friend. It's obvious that I could write and even provide links to 100 of the lies, and still you would make excuses and not see the obvious. It'll all come crashing on you at once. Everything. All the lies, all the deceit and empty promises of what might have been. Prepare yourself buddy....

{turns and walks away....}

 

- Zaxx

 

Actually you cant my friend. =)

Most of the so called "lies" is something created deliberatly by the no-sayers and haters.

I followed this game much more closely then you have. And what you call lies is what i call changed plans.

Its there game and its in their fully right to change the gameplan for their game without being called liers by delusional haters without the slightest knowledge of the game theyre criticising. Calling someone a lier based on changed gameplan for their game is just hillarious.

Actually why dont you give me 10 lies from the developers of the game Darkfall?

Cant be that hard since youre telling us they told hundreds of lies during the development time of Darkfall. =)

Have a nice one

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

----------

Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

I would like to see 100 Lies exactly please.  I will count them, print them out and keep them in my "Lies of Darkfall" scrap book and publish it at a later date... hopefully after launch ---- I however, am still looking for a publisher.

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Originally posted by Isane
Just go read up on what a development cycle is , everything Tasos speaks about is in that context. pretty simple but you seem to wan't to create lies out of updates as to what comes next in the dev cycle. The intent is true, circumstance takes the opportunity away... thats no lie... 

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Ohhhhh yes, how could I have been so silly? Tasos is the most honest, caring person I have ever met. He would NEVER tell his fans known bullshit. He really did think the game was "just around the corner" back in 2005. ...They've just been tweaking little bugs since then the past 3+ years, ofcourse! How silly of me to think otherwise! /end sarcasm

Like I said above, I could sit here and post 100 links of lies and spend 10 hours looking it all up and you'd spend 20 seconds dismissing it all with "ohhhh that's the normal dev cycvle of any mmo". Heh.

And also like I said above, sometimes these bubbles have to be busted by the original source which created these bubbles in your heads. It'll happen or you'll just eventually give up first.

- Zaxx

I never really thought we'd see the day when some tool named "Tasos Flambouras" became a religious icon and symbol of so much blind faith. If only people believed in things like "love" and "peace" as much as they do this guy, man.. would we have a better, safer world.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

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Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

Beta 2007 were no lie. It was announced as a internal target date by the company Aventurine. There was never a promise or a lie on that statement. =)

http://df.warcry.com/forums/read/270.42541

See? One of your so called lies just vanished in thin air. =)

Beta 2005 were scratched cause they wanted to improve on the game. This can be read in one of the many developer jornals available for the game. I suggest you start reading up on the game since you lack alot of info on it. They changed their gameplan for the game which im very glad for. Darkfall of today will be a much better game then the one they wanted to go live 2005. =)

Beta 2003 was the old game Razorwax developed in Norway 2001 to late 2002. This isnt even the same game were talking about. The Darkfall game that will go beta October 2008 were started 2003 in Greece. =)

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

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Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

 

blah blah blah...

Beta 2003 was the old game Razorwax developed in Norway 2001 to late 2002. This isnt even the same game were talking about. The Darkfall game that will go beta October 2008 were started 2003 in Greece. =)

Wait wait wait...  the Darkfall game that will go beta October 2008?! OMFG!!! WOOHOO!!! Darkfall Beta Is Finally Here!!!!11!!1

But hang on. What if it somehow... I dunno... somehow doesn't go beta in October 2008? That will still be OK right? Because it will still be just around the corner, right? And it won't be a lie, right, it will just be a natural part of the dev cycle... or an internal date that was never actually promised... or a desperate prediction from Darkfall's messiah Aragon100... or maybe just a disturbance in the Force?

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by zaxtor99

 

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Originally posted by Vansinne
Please provide us with all lies you can manage to bring forth. And by lies is not a known change from the orginal set of features or journal.

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Look it's not worth my time to sit and dig up every gawd damn lie they have spewed over all the years. You're just gonna make up excuses or try and switch the topic to how Age of Conan lied more or whatever. It's not worth it. Believe as you wish. If you cannot see what's right in front of you because you have your head that far in the clouds, then what more can I do buddy?

Ugh, since you ask for lies... I'm not even gonna spend much time at all giving you all the lies I can dig up. But let's just give you a few since you asked for them. And make up your excuses for them and tell us all how great they are and how Darkfall is gonna be the bestest game ever some more... {sigh}

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Lie of a 2007 beta....

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/editorials/3222-Surly-s-Column-State-of-the-Game-Darkfall-Razorwax-and-Aventurin

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In 2005: Tasos Flambouras: It's getting close to the point where people will get the chance to playtest the game. If they aren't looking at Darkfall now, they'll probably wish they had been. :)

http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/671/671666p3.html

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Darkfall was supposedly entering close beta testing Sept 2003.
Link broken but you can see it post #8 here. Post #8.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/78344

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Later...

- Zaxx

 

blah blah blah...

Beta 2003 was the old game Razorwax developed in Norway 2001 to late 2002. This isnt even the same game were talking about. The Darkfall game that will go beta October 2008 were started 2003 in Greece. =)

 

Wait wait wait...  the Darkfall game that will go beta October 2008?! OMFG!!! WOOHOO!!! Darkfall Beta Is Finally Here!!!!11!!1

But hang on. What if it somehow... I dunno... somehow doesn't go beta in October 2008? That will still be OK right? Because it will still be just around the corner, right? And it won't be a lie, right, it will just be a natural part of the dev cycle... or an internal date that was never actually promised... or a desperate prediction from Darkfall's messiah Aragon100... or maybe just a disturbance in the Force?

 

                 

umm i dont think there going to fudge it up this time.

Because its not even aventurine annuncing it it was audio visual 3rd party