Originally posted by CyBloodreign

 lvl 40's would just go to lower lvl areas and take all the objectives in a matter of hours. Wheres the challange in that wheres the struggle.

 

This comment was not directed at you personally.  Noggin

All good CyBloodreign, thanks.

They'd just get turned into chickens if they did this.

So on an Open RvR server, you're confined to Tier 4.

This might not be an issue for the people who want to play Open rules I guess, but it seems like a heavy price to pay.

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

Since in several threads here and on other WAR related boards I've yet to see anyone say that they want to gank lowbie players, I think the chicken rule shouldn't bother anyone.  If you want the increased danger, just right click on your level 1 character's status window on a core ruleset server, and turn on the RvR flag.  If you want other people to play with the same limitation, play on an Open RvR (aka always flagged) server.  If you absolutely must do every quest and ToK unlock, then I just guess you have to make a choice about whether you can have everything in a game the way you want it in opposition to the way that 85% of the players who like the chicken mechanic want it.  If it is that important to your game playing enjoyment, feel free to play a game that is less restricting. 

Asking Mythic to create 4-5 different software baselines so that every style of player can have the game their way is counter productive to maintaining a quality game where 85% of the potential audience agrees with the rule set.  The whole set of DAoC drama about the "Mordred" server being broken with each game update proves that such small audience specialty servers distract a company's dev team from the job at hand, and end up alienating those hyper choosy players anyway. 

If you absolutely must have a game that allows you to gank, twink, and powerlevel friends, there are plenty of other products on the market that give you the "freedom" to unfairly compete with other players.  I just keep hoping that WAR is not one of them.

I hope this helps.

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

Sure.

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

 

Sure.

 

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

 

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

 

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

And how do we know that as soon as you enter the lower tier you will be turned into a chicken and not just on the same area as you would be forced to turn RVR "ON" on the Core ruleset?

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

 

Sure.

 

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

 

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

 

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

 

And how do we know that as soon as you enter the lower tier you will be turned into a chicken and not just on the same area as you would be forced to turn RVR "ON" on the Core ruleset?

On a Core sever if you flag for RvR anywhere and you're too high for the Tier you get turned into a chicken, on an Open RvR server you're always flagged for RvR and thus, when entering a lower Tier you get turned into a chicken.

If what you say is the case a level 40 could rampage level 15's (for example) in non RvR areas in their Tier until the cows came home... How does that make any sense?

*Edit* If you are not aware Mythic are very adamant that there will be no ganking (killing much lower level players) in Warhammer Online.

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

War isn't WAR unless it's Waaaaagh! everywhere.  Honestly I'm appalled they made something as appalling as the Core rule set.   More boring PvE fetch quests and worrying about structured  fair fights?  WTF what?!

Now that said, the Open server rule-set is horrendous.  Not only will not you get WAR everywhere you want, once you're 31+, in 75% of the world maps, you're a one shot chicken to the enemy.  The whole system is designed to make the server fail and is a virtual big middle finger to the people looking for open warfare everyplace.

As far as the people complaining about ganking.  Don't know what to tell you.  Life isn't fair, the game doesn't need to be fair.  I gank, I get ganked, it doesn't phase me one bit if someone 40 levels higher rolls me ... actually it makes the game interesting at it might make my path to level 40 something more then a G15 macro that <TABS> and attacks.  If you can't handle all that, there's the Core servers, so honestly why do you even care?

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

 

Sure.

 

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

 

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

 

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

 

And how do we know that as soon as you enter the lower tier you will be turned into a chicken and not just on the same area as you would be forced to turn RVR "ON" on the Core ruleset?

 

On a Core sever if you flag for RvR anywhere and you're too high for the Tier you get turned into a chicken, on an Open RvR server you're always flagged for RvR and thus, when entering a lower Tier you get turned into a chicken.

 

If what you say is the case a level 40 could rampage level 15's (for example) in non RvR areas in their Tier until the cows came home... How does that make any sense?

 

*Edit* If you are not aware Mythic are very adamant that there will be no ganking (killing much lower level players) in Warhammer Online.

Maybe considering the possibility that you cant gank them in their AREA + the normal AREA where you would be turned into a chicken, but if they come onto YOUR AREA they are a free kill. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

And there is no evidence dont get me wrong im trying to find out i dont have evidence otherwise as well but the same way it seems a bit farfetched that they would make an Open ruleset with more restrictions than the Core ruleset. I do agree you wont go into their area and just kill them but what i said above seems like a reasonable scenario. I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

War isn't WAR unless it's Waaaaagh! everywhere.  Honestly I'm appalled they made something as appalling as the Core rule set.   More boring PvE fetch quests and worrying about structured  fair fights?  WTF what?!

Now that said, the Open server rule-set is horrendous.  Not only will not you get WAR everywhere you want, once you're 31+, in 75% of the world maps, you're a one shot chicken to the enemy.  The whole system is designed to make the server fail and is a virtual big middle finger to the people looking for open warfare everyplace.

As far as the people complaining about ganking.  Don't know what to tell you.  Life isn't fair, the game doesn't need to be fair.  I gank, I get ganked, it doesn't phase me one bit if someone 40 levels higher rolls me ... actually it makes the game interesting at it might make my path to level 40 something more then a G15 macro that <TABS> and attacks.  If you can't handle all that, there's the Core servers, so honestly why do you even care?

I'm not sure if you agree with me or not.

Open RvR ruleset is horrendous, you're right we agree there.

Then you go on with your closing sentence, if I can't handle all what? being pecked at by chickens?

I just feel that they designed a game, they gave it rules (as all games have) and then, due to popular demand, they added another set of rules that won't work properly.

It's like sitting down to play Chess with somone and them making up ways that the pieces move which are not in the rules of Chess (poor example, but you catch my drift I'm sure).

There's no advantage to rolling on an Open RvR server from what I can see, only disadvantage.

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

War isn't WAR unless it's Waaaaagh! everywhere.  Honestly I'm appalled they made something as appalling as the Core rule set.   More boring PvE fetch quests and worrying about structured  fair fights?  WTF what?!

Now that said, the Open server rule-set is horrendous.  Not only will not you get WAR everywhere you want, once you're 31+, in 75% of the world maps, you're a one shot chicken to the enemy.  The whole system is designed to make the server fail and is a virtual big middle finger to the people looking for open warfare everyplace.

As far as the people complaining about ganking.  Don't know what to tell you.  Life isn't fair, the game doesn't need to be fair.  I gank, I get ganked, it doesn't phase me one bit if someone 40 levels higher rolls me ... actually it makes the game interesting at it might make my path to level 40 something more then a G15 macro that <TABS> and attacks.  If you can't handle all that, there's the Core servers, so honestly why do you even care?

 

I'm not sure if you agree with me or not.

 

Open RvR ruleset is horrendous, you're right we agree there.

 

Then you go on with your closing sentence, if I can't handle all what? being pecked at by chickens?

 

I just feel that they designed a game, they gave it rules (as all games have) and then, due to popular demand, they added another set of rules that won't work properly.

 

It's like sitting down to play Chess with somone and them making up ways that the pieces move which are not in the rules of Chess (poor example, but you catch my drift I'm sure).

 

There's no advantage to rolling on an Open RvR server from what I can see, only disadvantage.

i just think your twisting in a way it wont work by saying "as soon as you enter the lower tier you will turn into a chicken" , "you will be more restricted" i dont think thats the case there are alot of solutions, look at WoW the PVP servers arent FFA, certain areas you just cant attack people unless they are flagged for pvp, that can be implemented in the lower tiers, either by just making them unattackable or turning them into a chicken, but if a lowbie comes Roaming around deep into MY AREA they are a flagged and they will be killed sounds pretty reasonable.

This is not an attack on you just presenting ways of how it can work.

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by Sentime

Originally posted by Noggin

To be honest I really don't understand why they even bowed down to those that wanted an Open ruleset.

 

The game was designed 100% around Core rules.

 

I'd really like to hear people's reasons for wanting to play on an Open RvR server.

 

War isn't WAR unless it's Waaaaagh! everywhere.  Honestly I'm appalled they made something as appalling as the Core rule set.   More boring PvE fetch quests and worrying about structured  fair fights?  WTF what?!

Now that said, the Open server rule-set is horrendous.  Not only will not you get WAR everywhere you want, once you're 31+, in 75% of the world maps, you're a one shot chicken to the enemy.  The whole system is designed to make the server fail and is a virtual big middle finger to the people looking for open warfare everyplace.

As far as the people complaining about ganking.  Don't know what to tell you.  Life isn't fair, the game doesn't need to be fair.  I gank, I get ganked, it doesn't phase me one bit if someone 40 levels higher rolls me ... actually it makes the game interesting at it might make my path to level 40 something more then a G15 macro that <TABS> and attacks.  If you can't handle all that, there's the Core servers, so honestly why do you even care?

 

I'm not sure if you agree with me or not.

 

Open RvR ruleset is horrendous, you're right we agree there.

 

Then you go on with your closing sentence, if I can't handle all what? being pecked at by chickens?

 

I just feel that they designed a game, they gave it rules (as all games have) and then, due to popular demand, they added another set of rules that won't work properly.

 

It's like sitting down to play Chess with somone and them making up ways that the pieces move which are not in the rules of Chess (poor example, but you catch my drift I'm sure).

 

There's no advantage to rolling on an Open RvR server from what I can see, only disadvantage.

 

i just think your twisting in a way it wont work by saying "as soon as you enter the lower tier you will turn into a chicken" , "you will be more restricted" i dont think thats the case there are alot of solutions, look at WoW the PVP servers arent FFA, certain areas you just cant attack people unless they are flagged for pvp, that can be implemented in the lower tiers, either by just making them unattackable or turning them into a chicken, but if a lowbie comes Roaming around deep into MY AREA they are a flagged and they will be killed sounds pretty reasonable.

I think the way it works has been quite clearly explained.

This is a ruleset with which they plan to run at launch, it's not like I've just made it up.

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

 

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

Was there a Open Ruleset server on the preview weekend? or in Beta for that matter?

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

i seriously dont get it why would the open ruleset players be stuck on tier 4 only? care to explain.

 

Sure.

 

You're constantly flagged for RvR on an Open RvR server.

 

When you enter the lower tiers you would turn into a chicken.

 

I guess you're not unable to enter the lower tiers, but with 1hp and 1 attack that does 1 point of damage as a chicken, why would you leave Tier 4 for that?

 

And how do we know that as soon as you enter the lower tier you will be turned into a chicken and not just on the same area as you would be forced to turn RVR "ON" on the Core ruleset?

You will get a warning before you enter said area. Comes across screen.

While I think PvP should be open everywhere, I think 'ganking' is about as worthless as anything in MMO's.

What is the purpose of having a cap'd character run around 1-shotting lowbies?  Seriously?  Any gain?  Other than giggle-fest for the cap level player?  It doesn't serve a purpose of any kind.  Saw enough of it in WoW and it was dumb as hell there, too. 

"Hey, we're 70's camping your quest givers in your starting area.  We know you can't do anything to us, but we hope you are dumb enough to attack so we can laugh at you.  We'll keep killing you until you log out or quit."  Of course, it came out 'k e k' or 'n o a n a l' or something like that in WoW-horde vs alliance speak.

...

I don't think a higher level player should be turned into a chicken as they enter a low-level zone.  I think they should turn into a chicken if they attack a lower level player OR low level quest givers though.  This way, they obviously experience the sensation of being ganked... and the humiliation of being wtfpwnt by a lowbie. 

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

 

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

 

Was there a Open Ruleset server on the preview weekend? or in Beta for that matter?

no there was no open ruleset sever and tell  you truth I never had a peoblem from closed beta to prewiew weekend finding a fight .

Sweet 8 post in 2 yrs

Originally posted by CyBloodreign

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

 

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

 

Was there a Open Ruleset server on the preview weekend? or in Beta for that matter?

 

no there was no open ruleset sever and tell  you truth I never had a peoblem from closed beta to prewiew weekend finding a fight .

and you never will, you'll know exactly where to go to find a fight in the game.

Quote:

What is the clear definition of open RvR server ruleset?

Josh Drescher: We're still working that out with some of the internal elder testers and some of our EA testers, primarily that's going to mean a lot more open field RvR. One of the things we're looking at right now, is do we keep the chicken mechanic in, if so, where, how do we implement it. We want to do it in a way that is sensible, but we don't want to turn it into chaos where it it's nonsense the entire time. We don't want to waste resources it will take to put up servers like that, and then have it turn out as something nobody actually likes playing on.

The easiest answer is you flag everyone for RvR all the time and leave the chicken in, but we don't know what actually feels right for what that type of server is going to be. We'll probably end up trying three or four different versions and see what the community thinks.

Here it is, they do not know yet, in my humble opinion i hope they make it so, theyr area + the area where you would turn into a chicken  in a core ruleset you DO turn into a chicken for the sake of stopping ganking but if they come running to your area they can be killed , this for the "coming back to the lower tiers", cause honestly i dont care about ganking but if i want to come back to a lower tier to help a friend or whatever I dont want to be a chicken all the time.

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by CyBloodreign

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

 

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

 

Was there a Open Ruleset server on the preview weekend? or in Beta for that matter?

 

no there was no open ruleset sever and tell  you truth I never had a peoblem from closed beta to prewiew weekend finding a fight .

and you never will, you'll know exactly where to go to find a fight in the game.

Finding a fight or not is not the issue, its just the feel of the server is different you know you are always in peril, a guy just exploring can find you and you know you will have a fight, or vice-versa if i go onto enemy territory. It might never happen but if it does we can solve it in combat and not just because he is not flagged we just stand around doing emotes.

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by CyBloodreign

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Noggin

Originally posted by rav3n2

 I highly doubt they will make it so as soon as you enter a lower tier you will turn into a chicken.

 

This is how it works. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

 

Was there a Open Ruleset server on the preview weekend? or in Beta for that matter?

 

no there was no open ruleset sever and tell  you truth I never had a peoblem from closed beta to prewiew weekend finding a fight .

and you never will, you'll know exactly where to go to find a fight in the game.

 

Finding a fight or not is not the issue, its just the feel of the server is different you know you are always in peril, a guy just exploring can find you and you know you will have a fight, or vice-versa if i go onto enemy territory. It might never happen but if it does we can solve it in combat and not just because he is not flagged we just stand around doing emotes.

Well in my beta testing of game i got flagged auto when i entered a pve zone controlled by the opposeing faction. Then it was up to the other guys if they wanted to fight and all most all the time they did. And again I say that in tier 3-4 the pvp zones are way larger than the pve zones and almost all quest force you to go into the pvp zone for some part of it.