Originally posted by tp1hobss

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

 

I guess my confusion is that I wasn't waiting for 7 years for this and have just begun hearing the whispers about it.  Why the 'incognito' response?  Why tell us which mags once they've already been published?  Why not advertise?  Why not say, WOW, we got us an interview with wii magazine?  Where's the glamour or pats on the back if you keep your gem hidden from the world..who will appreciate you then? Who will appreciate 'it'?

In all my years of gaming...from Table Top to systems to PC....there has never been a release where someone just popped out and said...HEY...we've kept it under wraps for 10 years and feel we should now share it with you all.  There has been literature and artwork founded after a long decade rest...but not a game...especially not a MMO. 

I guess I just don't understand how this has seemingly grabbed the attention of a small group of gamers and continued to live within their hearts.  I don't understand it.....so......

If any of you DarkFall fans cares to answer....I don't expect flames...but if they happen to sneak in through the open window...I'll be sure to have a glass of water in-hand.

Tasos was very consistent with what he said and at no point contradicted himself... Like those of us who have read his posts and know the above contradictions are just made up and laughable. Please try harder to troll.

It's supposedly a long video that shows off the game entirely, it's next week not this frieday like everyone thinks.

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

Originally posted by SpungeX

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

yea it was never promised for a few weeks tho and tasos said it was takign them longer than expected because its not high piroity so who who cares as long as the vid comes out

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by SpungeX

a "few weeks" turned into a few months.  

 

yea it was never promised for a few weeks tho and tasos said it was takign them longer than expected because its not high piroity so who who cares as long as the vid comes out

I would say it should be top priority.

Once you get video's out there, you can let the fans and the websites do their thing with it while you go back to developing the game. It can only ever be a bad thing if the video looks crap, otherwise every second it's available is another second someone might watch it and it builds interest in the game.

If you don't promote a game right, it'll fail. Darkfall is a joke now in mmorpg terms, 7 years and change for development of a game which no-one knows for sure actually exists. Prove it exists, silence everyone and put out the video, start the beta, do something right for a change.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by tp1hobss

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by COORS

Well, they may actually produce the video, I won't deny that possibility.

However, very little of what Tasos has ever said has been carried out. Just a couple months ago he stated there would be two or more articles in MAJOR gaming magazines in August. I've yet to see those articles in ANY major magazine. Where are they?

See what I mean. Tasos says lots of stuff. He promises everything IS coming SOON! But... Soon never seems to come. It is always postponed a little bit longer for one reason or another.

Very convenient to be able to make promises time and time again, and have fans just go along without question.

Well... In my opinion, the time has finally come to produce something.

No more.... just a while longer... in a few weeks... months... years...

You get the idea.

 

he said there coming out in august no he didnt

he said hell tells us when they come out.

quote

*We've started collecting in-game footage for a video update which is taking a while being low in the immediate priorities list, but moving along. There have been a couple of magazine interviews; we’ll let you know which ones when they come out. There are a couple of requests for online interviews which we’re doing as well. *
 

and what promises have taso broke?

all i remember is them giving us tmi on there plans and there plans get changed

 

I guess my confusion is that I wasn't waiting for 7 years for this and have just begun hearing the whispers about it.  Why the 'incognito' response?  Why tell us which mags once they've already been published?  Why not advertise?  Why not say, WOW, we got us an interview with wii magazine?  Where's the glamour or pats on the back if you keep your gem hidden from the world..who will appreciate you then? Who will appreciate 'it'?

In all my years of gaming...from Table Top to systems to PC....there has never been a release where someone just popped out and said...HEY...we've kept it under wraps for 10 years and feel we should now share it with you all.  There has been literature and artwork founded after a long decade rest...but not a game...especially not a MMO. 

I guess I just don't understand how this has seemingly grabbed the attention of a small group of gamers and continued to live within their hearts.  I don't understand it.....so......

If any of you DarkFall fans cares to answer....I don't expect flames...but if they happen to sneak in through the open window...I'll be sure to have a glass of water in-hand.

 

Tasos was very consistent with what he said and at no point contradicted himself... Like those of us who have read his posts and know the above contradictions are just made up and laughable. Please try harder to troll.

I wasn't trolling and if I had an intent to do so, difficulty wouldn't have anything to do with it.
 

I'd say people still hold hopes for the game because of its promised feature list and design philosophy. That said, after this long and this much indication that it's vaporware, the only people who still really strongly support the game's existence (let alone quality) amount to a tiny handful of people who are in "Baghdad Bob" mode of total denial and spin.

Edit: I also agree with a point you raise which hasn't been discussed much that I've seen. That is the obsolescence factor. With software, you can't just develop and develop forever and keep making it better. As time passes your architecture becomes obsolete.

Innovations come storming along so fast in ANY software that you can easily end up in the "Daikatana" cycle if you take too long. For those unaware of that disastrous game, one of its major problems was in taking so long to complete that they ended up changing engines and rewriting the entire game (twice, I think) just to keep up with games that were releasing as the years went by.

Every rewriting just adds more delays as you undo work you already did, and the cycle of falling behind continues. Engines don't have a very long life in the gaming world. These days an engine starts to run out of steam within 5 years, easily. And the Darkfall guys wrote their entire engine from scratch, they claim....

Originally posted by Jokerkaaos

I'd say people still hold hopes for the game because of its promised feature list and design philosophy. That said, after this long and this much indication that it's vaporware, the only people who still really strongly support the game's existence (let alone quality) amount to a tiny handful of people who are in "Baghdad Bob" mode of total denial and spin.

 

Edit: I also agree with a point you raise which hasn't been discussed much that I've seen. That is the obsolescence factor. With software, you can't just develop and develop forever and keep making it better. As time passes your architecture becomes obsolete.

Innovations come storming along so fast in ANY software that you can easily end up in the "Daikatana" cycle if you take too long. For those unaware of that disastrous game, one of its major problems was in taking so long to complete that they ended up changing engines and rewriting the entire game (twice, I think) just to keep up with games that were releasing as the years went by.

 

Every rewriting just adds more delays as you undo work you already did, and the cycle of falling behind continues. Engines don't have a very long life in the gaming world. These days an engine starts to run out of steam within 5 years, easily. And the Darkfall guys wrote their entire engine from scratch, they claim....

alot more than you think

Here's my prediction from Aug. 4 of this month: (see thread Will August be Sexy Time for DF?)

Tasos will provide some lame excuse as to why the video can't be released this month but will nevertheless make new claims that the game is almost ready for release and should be available by year's end. Fanboys will lap it up and cheer. Haters will be more convinced than ever. Forum wars will continue. Avertine will file for bankruptcy in December.

Just a couple more days...

Originally posted by downtoearth

 

alot more than you think

You misunderstand me a bit. I consider myself a sort of "supporter" of this game. In theory, anyway. I love the list of features they promise, and the promised design philosophies of open pvp, first-person perspective, and removal of a lot of the dumbing-down features common in MMOs now.

The problem is that I've never seen anything BUT promises. I see no evidence that they have an actual game to play, and if they do, that it's anything close to being ready for mass play or that it will contain the features they claim.

I also remain extremely skeptical about an engine written from scratch starting 5 years ago - an engine nobody has ever seen - being viable.

We shall see.

My favorite thing about this DF drama is that when we the fans are proven right, we get to enjoy our game and know that the trolls are just sad people who will have disapeared at that point.  Which is the point of MMOs! We are here to have fun and discuss our similar hobby!

If the trolls are right?  Well they get to move on to the next game and troll some more.  And feel good about their lives? 

If i end up being wrong...i would much rather be wrong than what the trolls gain by being right.

yea man this forum is bad enough without bringing up religious examples and arguements.  I could care less but i could only imagine some of the fine folks on this forum taking your analogy and running this forum further into the ground.
 

no days left

waiting for that video today

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Originally posted by TheHoweller
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Originally posted by tsitluc

no days left

waiting for that video today

yep

Yay video today!

Or shortly after.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by tsitluc

no days left

waiting for that video today

 

yep

Originally posted by TheHoweller

Originally posted by Xris375

What customers are you talking about ? For the time being you cannot buy anything from Aventurine, thus they have no customers.

 

Must I really be so specific as to say "potential" or "future" customers?  Really, was it that difficult to decrypt?

Not difficult to decrypt BUT there definitively a difference in what a "potential customer" can expect from a company and a paying one. When "potential" customers demand the same service as paying one, it's not the company that have a problem.

Originally posted by Xris375

When "potential" customers demand the same service as paying one, it's not the company that have a problem.

Don't ever go into business because you will FAIL.

POTENTIAL customers should be treated just as good as paying customers.

Otherwise you will have no customers.