When will we receive concrete news on the release of the PVP/Fugitive patch?

What has prevented you guys from being upfront with us about the status of this update?

I'm going to use Mythic as an example here. They've been pretty straight forward about everything they are doing. They offer constant updates to the community, covering everything from missing content to the status of core issues and timelines of when to expect fixes.

Your employers on the other hand basically tell us to expect it when it's done, without really telling us the status of a feature or fix. For me this greatly wears on my interest in coming back.

Should be interesting to see his response...

If he gives one at all.

The Mythic example, though, is dead-on. There's a contemporary of theirs doing exactly what people have been asking FC to do for months now; to be open, honest and accountable with the players about exactly where things stand and where they're going with it... in meaningful terms, not vague generalities and blatant omissions.

Apparently, FC - even after they supposedly "realized their mistake" about underestimating the importance of communication with AO - still disregards just how important that is to their  credibility and to players' confidence.

Even if people still thought AoC blew chunks, they could still say "But at least FC is being honest with their players and not hiding from them".

Yet, they  just continue to keep doing it.

"When it's done"

if only they'd adopted this philosophy BEFORE they launched the game....

Originally posted by WSIMike

Should be interesting to see his response...

If he gives one at all.

The Mythic example, though, is dead-on. There's a contemporary of theirs doing exactly what people have been asking FC to do for months now; to be open, honest and accountable with the players about exactly where things stand and where they're going with it... in meaningful terms, not vague generalities and blatant omissions.

Apparently, FC - even after they supposedly "realized their mistake" about underestimating the importance of communication with AO - still disregards just how important that is to their  credibility and to players' confidence.

Even if people still thought AoC blew chunks, they could still say "But at least FC is being honest with their players and not hiding from them".

Yet, they  just continue to keep doing it.

 

Exactly, I should add:

Famine, if you can't answer these questions without generic replies. Don't even waste your or my time.

Famine's answer to similar questions on the official forums has essentially been that he's a community manager and not a developer and can only pass on what the devs tell him.

Seems to be their philosophy, their brandmark. On the other hand if they would have listed every single bit of content they announced and did not make it into the game or in some sort of crippled form - they would have never made the sales they did leaving them in a even worse situation than they are now.  I guess.

Originally posted by octa

Famine's answer to similar questions on the official forums has essentially been that he's a community manager and not a developer and can only pass on what the devs tell him.

Based on his posts, he seems like a good guy hanging with the wrong crowd. Sure, it his choice but it seems to me he actually wants to help people. But as they say, sh*t in = sh*t out.

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

When will we receive concrete news on the release of the PVP/Fugitive patch?

What has prevented you guys from being upfront with us about the status of this update?

I'm going to use Mythic as an example here. They've been pretty straight forward about everything they are doing. They offer constant updates to the community, covering everything from missing content to the status of core issues and timelines of when to expect fixes.

Your employers on the other hand basically tell us to expect it when it's done, without really telling us the status of a feature or fix. For me this greatly wears on my interest in coming back.

It’s currently on testlive and has many revisions and tweaks. It has not been pushed out early, and they are taking great measures to test it, and take feedback from players, and implement changes based on the feedback.

What more do you want?

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

When will we receive concrete news on the release of the PVP/Fugitive patch?

What has prevented you guys from being upfront with us about the status of this update?

I'm going to use Mythic as an example here. They've been pretty straight forward about everything they are doing. They offer constant updates to the community, covering everything from missing content to the status of core issues and timelines of when to expect fixes.

Your employers on the other hand basically tell us to expect it when it's done, without really telling us the status of a feature or fix. For me this greatly wears on my interest in coming back.

It’s currently on testlive and has many revisions and tweaks. It has not been pushed out early, and they are taking great measures to test it, and take feedback from players, and implement changes based on the feedback.

What more do you want?

 

Out of interest have they changed anything on the test live regarding the worst pve, crafting and economy of any MMO ever produced.....or are they still working on the pvp which should of been implemented on release ?

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

When will we receive concrete news on the release of the PVP/Fugitive patch?

What has prevented you guys from being upfront with us about the status of this update?

I'm going to use Mythic as an example here. They've been pretty straight forward about everything they are doing. They offer constant updates to the community, covering everything from missing content to the status of core issues and timelines of when to expect fixes.

Your employers on the other hand basically tell us to expect it when it's done, without really telling us the status of a feature or fix. For me this greatly wears on my interest in coming back.

It’s currently on testlive and has many revisions and tweaks. It has not been pushed out early, and they are taking great measures to test it, and take feedback from players, and implement changes based on the feedback.

What more do you want?

 

This is still pretty much correct. We did release info today on the updates tomorrow. We are shooting for more official information on the PvP update tomorrow or Friday.

Originally posted by FC-Famine

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

When will we receive concrete news on the release of the PVP/Fugitive patch?

What has prevented you guys from being upfront with us about the status of this update?

I'm going to use Mythic as an example here. They've been pretty straight forward about everything they are doing. They offer constant updates to the community, covering everything from missing content to the status of core issues and timelines of when to expect fixes.

Your employers on the other hand basically tell us to expect it when it's done, without really telling us the status of a feature or fix. For me this greatly wears on my interest in coming back.

It’s currently on testlive and has many revisions and tweaks. It has not been pushed out early, and they are taking great measures to test it, and take feedback from players, and implement changes based on the feedback.

What more do you want?

 

 

This is still pretty much correct. We did release info today on the updates tomorrow. We are shooting for more official information on the PvP update tomorrow or Friday.

I'm so glad that the response wasn't the least bit generic and answered all the questions that were posed. I am so happy i no longer have any concerns on the issue.

Being as vague as humanly possible is a great way to insult and drive off remaining subscribers.

You guys just don't learn, do you Famine?

FC talks about how they've learned from AOs mistakes, yet here they are making nearly every one of them again with AoC, ruining an IP that clearly should have gone to a studio worth its salt instead of one with a history of piss poor development and customer service.

You also might want to suggest that FC not send EE out to tell bold faced lies to press and community correspondents. He does the worst PR of anyone in the industry, and is single handedly making your company look even worse that it does on its own.

Christ sakes, I mean the patch notes as a good example, vague garbage that looks to have been written by a fifteen year who cant even stutter half of it out in proper english. WAR has beta patch notes that are TEN TIMES as detailed as your post-launch notes, thats not a good sign for FunCom.

Pathetic at the very least, you all should be ashamed with what you've created, its barely a shell of what it had a chance to be if an actual reputable studio had handled it.

Give an amateur a contract, expect amateur results, as seen with AoC. You end up with a company that lets angst riddled teens moderate there official forum, some of who flamed the game within days of being made moderators, if thats not some of the least sound business thinking I've heard, then I just don't know what is.

You are not saving money using those volunteers, they are ruining the already struggling reputation of your company. Take note and correct the problem before it gets worse.

Yea... i'd like a hey here are some things that have been happening in the testing heres where we are with projected update (Stating that it is very tentative). Anything is better than "Yea it's being tested enjoy the wait" i mean you'd think a company which is getting SUCH a bad rep for this sorta thing would try being OVERLY helpfull and open almost to the point of TOO much info.

I think the failcom avatars are ridiculous. If you don't like AoC, fine, go play something else PLEASE. We really don't need another SWG where the trolls waste their time whining for years.

Famine wasn't vague, most of the questions were answered in posts before, as he stated. The update is being tested NOW, and is going to be live within the next two days. How much more specific do you want him to be? Do you want when the patch is going to be up down to the second? well that's not going to happen, because if there was some sort of problem, you all would just whine more. Funcom messed up at launch, but I think they're doing the best they can.

Originally posted by Kataal

I think the failcom avatars are ridiculous. If you don't like AoC, fine, go play something else PLEASE. We really don't need another SWG where the trolls waste their time whining for years.

Famine wasn't vague, most of the questions were answered in posts before, as he stated. The update is being tested NOW, and is going to be live within the next two days. How much more specific do you want him to be? Do you want when the patch is going to be up down to the second? well that's not going to happen, because if there was some sort of problem, you all would just whine more. Funcom messed up at launch, but I think they're doing the best they can.

I kind of agree on the Failcom avatars, but thats their personal choice.

My apathy comes from being in a guild that waited for the game 1 year prior to release, Fanboys we were sucking in everything Funcom told us. A years hard work diminished in little over two months of playing.

People need to be told whats happening from the Devs. Even if its bad news. Mythic are doing this now and are getting praised for doing so. Hopefully Funcom have set a benchmark nobody else will follow. So I raise a glass to everyone that has complained on forums....because the gaming industry are starting to sit up and listen (well apart from Funcom). You can not ignore your customers and hope everything will turn out fine.

Originally posted by Kataal

I think the failcom avatars are ridiculous. If you don't like AoC, fine, go play something else PLEASE. We really don't need another SWG where the trolls waste their time whining for years.

Famine wasn't vague, most of the questions were answered in posts before, as he stated. The update is being tested NOW, and is going to be live within the next two days. How much more specific do you want him to be? Do you want when the patch is going to be up down to the second? well that's not going to happen, because if there was some sort of problem, you all would just whine more. Funcom messed up at launch, but I think they're doing the best they can.

Nobody gives a rats ass if you don't like an avatar, post on another forum if it causes you frustration.

Nobody forces you to read this forum.

Famine is ALWAYS vague, get real. The only whiner here is you, a foolish individual with to much blind faith and a napoleon complex.

Originally posted by Kataal

I think the failcom avatars are ridiculous. If you don't like AoC, fine, go play something else PLEASE. We really don't need another SWG where the trolls waste their time whining for years.

Famine wasn't vague, most of the questions were answered in posts before, as he stated. The update is being tested NOW, and is going to be live within the next two days. How much more specific do you want him to be? Do you want when the patch is going to be up down to the second? well that's not going to happen, because if there was some sort of problem, you all would just whine more. Funcom messed up at launch, but I think they're doing the best they can.

I think the whiners against the failcom avatars are ridiculous.  If you don't like to listen to the truth, then go read another forum PLEASE.  We really don't need anymore complainers against the truth where the complainers waste their time complaining about individuals posting the truth.

Famine was vague in that he didn't answer many of malickieboo's questions except with a canned deferred "more information tomorrow or Friday" response.  All a lot of people on this forum really want is open communication with what is going on with the game, yet, at most, they get canned responses.  Which is a black mark compared to how Mythic is handling WAR, which is coming out in a few weeks.  Funcom did mess up at launch, but they screwed the game over with their continuous patches that made the game even more broken.  Thus, failcom.

then why are you on this forum and not on the real AoC forum, where the info is actually posted?

Originally posted by CreepingDoom

Originally posted by Kataal

I think the failcom avatars are ridiculous. If you don't like AoC, fine, go play something else PLEASE. We really don't need another SWG where the trolls waste their time whining for years.

Famine wasn't vague, most of the questions were answered in posts before, as he stated. The update is being tested NOW, and is going to be live within the next two days. How much more specific do you want him to be? Do you want when the patch is going to be up down to the second? well that's not going to happen, because if there was some sort of problem, you all would just whine more. Funcom messed up at launch, but I think they're doing the best they can.

 

Nobody gives a rats ass if you don't like an avatar, post on another forum if it causes you frustration.

Nobody forces you to read this forum.

Famine is ALWAYS vague, get real. The only whiner here is you, a foolish individual with to much blind faith and a napoleon complex.

I actually don't mind the avatars personally. If that's how you feel then I respect that.

I know most of the information on the update is not exactly what everyone wants to hear right now. Like I said before on our forums, we are still testing and working out the kinks. When it's ready it will be ready. We want to ensure we take our time on it instead of rushing it to live. This is something that many players have voiced for us to do in relation to the updates and the timeframe in which they happen. The information is also in result of more information incomming in later this week. I just wanted to make sure I touched the topic on letting everyone know that we will have a follow up on the status.

Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

 

 Well we didnt. Famine said "When it's ready it will be ready. We want to ensure we take our time on it instead of rushing it to live." And gave no other reason for why Mythic can be so direct and open about their development. He just assumes blindly that if you bring the details and dates up into the open, then you would have to rush the patch to be done. However there is no answer to why Mythic makes this work out, and Funcom cant do it without getting stressed out.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

 

No offense, MrBloodworth...but whenever you type anything in a thread, everyone's post in terms of their fonts gets all screwed up...the font you type in becomes everyone's font until you get to the next page.

I thought I was loosing my mind but I narrowed it down to you. Are you using a program different to MMORPG.com's general editor to make your posts? Is this happening to anyone else?

Would you please go back to the default font. Thanks!

Originally posted by Kataal

then why are you on this forum and not on the real AoC forum, where the info is actually posted?

i think thats because the moderators lock anything remotely negative; censorship is really big over there.

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

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I'd like to propose (if I might be so bold) that FC-Famine recruits Mrbloodworth to the moderator team on the official AoC forums (be it the EU or US). FC would do well to get such a talented mind with a keen eye for intellectual discourse on board, last but not least he doesn't afraid of anything.

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

 

 

No offense, MrBloodworth...but whenever you type anything in a thread, everyone's post in terms of their fonts gets all screwed up...the font you type in becomes everyone's font until you get to the next page.

I thought I was loosing my mind but I narrowed it down to you. Are you using a program different to MMORPG.com's general editor to make your posts? Is this happening to anyone else?

Would you please go back to the default font. Thanks!

I use MS word to spell and grammar check. This is an issue with MMOrpg.com, not posters.

Originally posted by ModifyMenuW

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Jesus crust, even when you get the info you want, some of you wont be satisfied. You don't want answers, you just want to bitch.

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I'd like to propose (if I might be so bold) that FC-Famine recruits Mrbloodworth to the moderator team on the official AoC forums (be it the EU or US). FC would do well to get such a talented mind with a keen eye for intellectual discourse on board, last but not least he doesn't afraid of anything.

I'm not a current subscriber, becouse the game is not in a state that i would pay for it. I may be back in a few months depending on patches and the like, and how they go.

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Kataal

then why are you on this forum and not on the real AoC forum, where the info is actually posted?

 

i think thats because the moderators lock anything remotely negative; censorship is really big over there.

I would say moderation has everything to do with posters, and how they present themselves. Seems constructive feedback is a lost art. I haven’t seen any censorship, only moderation because of rule breaking posting, or downright nastiness. Doesn’t mater how much your points may be valid, if you can convey them with out being insulting ETC..

This happens in every game forum, someone posts something with some valid points, but cant do it in a civilized manner that doesn’t break forum rules, then goes around talking about how they were censored.