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8/26/08 8:42:15 AM#41
Originally posted by Daffid011 Except that Blizzard themselves - by their own say so - have not introduced anything new to the genre, but have gotten their ideas from other MMOs that came before. They simply streamlined them and put them into a more accessible package; which is Blizzard's specialty. So if one wants to say "WAR has implemented concepts common to many MMOs, including those that pre-date WoW - such as Mythic's own DAoC", then that's accurate. Which raises another point.. It's not like Mythic are complete newbs on the MMO front... They *have* a history with developing and running an MMO. Heck, if memory serves, before DAoC, they created MUDs.... though don't quote me on that, I might be confusing them with another company. Point is, they certainly have enough of their own experience, ideas and resources to pull from. For example, RvR is totally one of their own "signature" concepts and that's what a big part of WAR is based around. But anyway, for one say, "It's copying from WoW" and leave it at that is disingenuous at best.. Ignorant at worst.
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8/26/08 9:13:15 AM#42
Mike, I agree with most of what you are saying word for word. However there are many games that have been pillaging each other for years as far as concepts go. I am also certain Warhammer has plenty of its own twists and turns on common MMO themes and plenty of new innovations. I can't for the life of me think of two more similar games in appearance, UI, style, presentation, etc.
Please consider that I am not saying this is a bad thing at all. Mythic is smart to present their game in a fashion that will be familiar and comfortable to the largest population of MMO players on the market. I am 100% in favor of games taking what works and making it better, but I am not going to pretend it isn't happening. This didn't happen by accident.
It isn't some coincidence that almost every MMO reviewers first comments are how the game looks, feels and plays just like WoW. Then after getting into the game for a while they start to see the little differences and new game play mechanics that give the game its own feel. |
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8/26/08 8:05:36 PM#43
I wrealy hope that WAR will be a nice game cause Blizz sux evrything that they took from Warhammer lore epic and 40k doesent changes one thing they STOLE that and modified it a bit ffs I should make a list of that which I hawe seen in all Blizz products that got Warhammer signature all over it it`s jsut that I hope that game will be a huge succes so that people will get a bit into Warhammer lore and c years of hard work GWorkshop spend to create lore and characters .Most disturbing thing imho is that such great lore must to fight it`s own shadow now to be presented to audience. |
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8/26/08 8:15:23 PM#44
Originally posted by aurick And Tolkien copied from vikings, who actually had dwarves and elves in their mythology. I wonder from who the vikings copied from?
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8/26/08 8:22:23 PM#45
ok.....i swear...reading comprehension isnt the forte of many people hear as I have seen people misunderstand sarcasm and, now, the OP. Now, Ive read 3 straight pages of this thread and I swear I think only 4 of you actually understood what the original poster was talking about. He's saying, in a nutshell, that Warcraft got their artistic designs and "environment" from Warhammer....not the other way around. Many of you guys are talking as if he saying Warhammer copied from Warcraft; in which he isn't saying that at all. Before some (not all of you) begin to bash the OP as a WoW fanboi (and even if he was a fan of WoW...so what?) you seriously need to take the time to fully read his post. |
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8/26/08 8:25:14 PM#46
WoW is a completely derivative work. I can't think of a single thing in it that is original. McDonalds for the masses. |
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8/26/08 8:27:14 PM#47
Originally posted by Enigma
Read the title of the thread. Therein lay the confusion. |
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8/26/08 8:54:15 PM#48
Originally posted by Thradar
Read the title of the thread. Therein lay the confusion.
There is also a question mark at the end of the title of the thread; hence a decision to think about or a question to be raised. Read the post guys. Just not the title of the thread. This is exactly what I am talking about; people read the topic, assumes what the OP is saying and then post something that makes no damn sense! Take the time to read the post from the OP fellas. You may have a different opinion next time. |
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Delondial
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8/27/08 2:52:56 AM#49
Originally posted by ILuvWoW WAR had a large tabletop community before the internet was even in full swing.
WoW created mmos the like Nabster put pirating on the internet. It was still going on, they just put it in the spot light. ~D |
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8/27/08 3:15:10 AM#50
War copied WOW. WOW copied many other games, not a single original thing in it, and it is still doing well financially. Why can't WAR do the same? No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please. |
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8/27/08 3:17:38 AM#51
Warcraft used ideas from Warhammer who used ideas from Lord of the Rings. Warhammer Online used ideas from World of Warcraft.
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8/27/08 3:18:18 AM#52
Has WAR copied successfull concepts from other MMOs? Yes. Are the main sources of inspiration DAoC and WoW? yes. Did WoW/Warcraft copy the Warhammer world and lore? Yes. |
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8/27/08 3:20:31 AM#53
Originally posted by Delondial WAR had a large tabletop community before the internet was even in full swing.
WoW created mmos the like Nabster put pirating on the internet. It was still going on, they just put it in the spot light. See, and I thought Evercrack was what swung the spotlight onto MMO's....what with all the people getting divorced over it and such.....then those of us who played it became "one of those people", lol 
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8/27/08 4:01:23 AM#54
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer." |
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8/27/08 4:12:36 AM#55
2 questions: 1 What is more important in games, art style or gameplay? 2 Who copied what?
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8/27/08 4:38:00 AM#56
Graphics Warhammer has so many different looks, from the very cartoony to the serious.. its hard to not look like 1 of the Warhammer versions. But IMHO WoW has the better graphics.. not from a technical standpoint but from an artisic and visual standpoint.. theres so much more detail in WoW graphics than WARs.
Lore Lore is a story they, dont share the same story, Warhammer has a very basic story about an endless war.. WoWs story is far deeper. IMHO Gameplay The similaries with WoW are obvious if you cant see those then your blind. yes theres some DAoC in there too. WoW is infulence by previous blizzard games such as Diablo but also games that came after Diablo such as EQ and OU.. WAR if infulence in the same way by games inc WoW that came before it. But who cares. Well find out in a few weeks if WAR delivers
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8/27/08 4:43:54 AM#57
WAR copied Tolkien actually. But Tolkien copied WoW. Ultima Online 98~04 |
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8/27/08 4:58:43 AM#58
Ok pplz, i have 5 things to say: 1. Orcs, Elves, Goblins, Dwarves, Giants, Ogres, creepy aliens, superhumans and fluffy man eating bunnies have been around for 1000's of years, they are the stuff of myth and cannot be plaigerised because they are owned by all. 2. probably the first mmo was mazewar, look it up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazewar 3. Games workshop, the owners of warhammer, recruited blizzard to create a warhammer fantasy computer game for them. For whatever reason the deal fell through and blizzard took the work they had done on the game, altered the art, created a new story and released it as warcraft, (this has been stated in previous posts). Games workshop cunsequently sued blizzard for plaigerism, but it was found that blizzard had changed enough to evade copyright laws (there is a huge rivalry between games workshop and blizzard, blizzard also has been accused of stealing stuff for starcraft and games workshop has been accused of stealing some of the zerg creatures for use as tyranids). 4. who really cares? both have they're good points, both have they're bad points, they are both good games and both have fans. If u don't like one, play the other, if u like both, great, if u like neither fuck off and find something else to play. 5. Those who think only ppl who hate WoW will play WAR are sadly mistaken. I play warhammer fantasy and i was going to play WoW because there was no warhammer mmo, but then i heard of WAR and promptly forgot about ever playing WoW and kept track of WAR for most of its developement (unfortunatly i never got to play the closed beta =[ ) 
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8/27/08 5:03:24 AM#59
Originally posted by Brainybones
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8/27/08 5:12:09 AM#60
Coffee: You are right that we have no tapes of the discussions at the time but since both companies confirmed discussions back then I think you are beating a dead horse. And ultimately - who cares? To the poster above: Zergs are a 100% copy of the Tyranids that existed years and years before Starcraft. Protoss has a very unique feel to them though that has nothing to do with Warhammer in my mind. |
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