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Because people still have fun playing it. Because it is possible to play more than one game. Because it is possible to enjoy more than one game. Because they have the funds to keep it going. Because it doesn't matter that you 'wish wow fails'. Because every game that has been set to compete with WoW has failed. Because WAR is a good game, but so is WoW. IMO, and in 11 millions others minds. Because people have time invested, and a lot of it. Because some of my friends still play it, and so do some of yours. Because those of us having fun playing WoW could care less about the back and forth flamewars between fanbois on sites like this....
The only thing that will effect WoW's subscriber base is it's subscribers becoming bored with the game and moving on. Every day there are still new players coming in, and last time I was on, the bg's were full and the landscape was happening.
For all you nubs claiming mental superiority over WoW players... are you bloody serious??? LOL IT'S A GAME, JUST A GAME, AND ONLY A GAME. If you seriously put yourself higher on the intellectual ladder because you play one game over another...you have issues....
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Originally posted by Krogg It's just the WoW reputation. For instance: Blizzard lets you link skills in chat channels, so a Warrior could link [Pummel] - one of his skills. So what does the mature WoW community do? They go and say "anal" in the chat channel and link skills after it. So trade is flooded with 10 year olds going "Anal [Pummel]" like they just learned a new dirty word. I'm sorry, it's pathetic. You're right though, I want both games to succeed because they're both fun and the more competition/variety we have in ANY game genre, the better for us. Competition means both companies want to do their best. |
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Why you care about a subs? You feel discomfort that will not feel WoW so great if subs drop? Don't worry subs talks only about a commercial product not for a valuable one. The main reason WoW to have so much subs is that he is almost no not a massive, but just a multiplay. Is it ok for you?  ______\m/_____ |
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Originally posted by Krogg
-- Games are never as fun as their hype. It's still doing the same things as 90% of the MMOs ever since EQ1 wrote the template for 3D MMOs. -- You can't ever be that newbie again. Not Warhammer, not WoW, not AoC, or any other MMO out there claiming originality. -- You, I, and many other people won't be satisfied until once again we can be immersed,as newbs once more, into a mysterious realm of which we know nothing. |
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Worst case scenario: Wow drops a few of it's 9 million servers, and combines them. Problem solved.
-- Games are never as fun as their hype. It's still doing the same things as 90% of the MMOs ever since EQ1 wrote the template for 3D MMOs. -- You can't ever be that newbie again. Not Warhammer, not WoW, not AoC, or any other MMO out there claiming originality. -- You, I, and many other people won't be satisfied until once again we can be immersed,as newbs once more, into a mysterious realm of which we know nothing. |
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WoW is a 2 headed monster.
In one hand it has risen the "quality" (and i put that in quotes because when you really look, there isn't much depth to the game, although thats nearly any MMO) of what we expect from games.
In the other however, because of the "sucess" of its sales and subscriptions, and hear me, I do not say sucess of the game, it has "pushed" the MMO industry into a one dimensional world. The sucess of WoW nearly purely stems from 2 sources.
1) It's a social networking game. The Facebook/Myspace of video games. 2) It's Blizzard.
Anyway, the only danger I see to the game is Kalgan. 
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Originally posted by Krogg
You forgot to add something, maybe the fact that most of WoWs subs are farmers, gold sellers, or bots and its a simple game with alot of popularity. And also when you say every game has failed that has tried to compete against WoW,... I would like to tell you THAT IS BS. if everygame has failed that tried to compete with WoW we wouldn't have any other mmos, and this website would be called WoW not mmorpg. heres some games as proof that every game hasn't failed: 1.CoH/CoV 2. LOTRO 3. Tabula Rasa 4. Guild Wars 5. just look at the list of mmos in the released section of the website. ------------------------------ |
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Bruticus_XI: In a game like this the community is so vast we might as well be talking about the global community minus a few developing nations, hence there is no real definable 'WoW' community, just all types of people playing, and that includes the people who would participate in the text play you are talking about. And from experience I think it's safe to say there are assholes in every game.
Izakaron: This thread was my response to another thread.
DJSmiley: Please don't put words into my mouth or interpret ideas I haven't even touched on. Not once did I equate failure with subscription loss. I just said the sub #'s are safe, and even if they shift I agree, it doesn't mean the game has failed...noone could ever say that about the game anyway.
Deckatre: The only competition those games offered was in the hype. When I say compete, I'm talking Coke and Pepsi... WoW has no Pepsi.
TBH I'd rather the WoW pop played LOTRO right now, I love that game as well. I'm not a die hard fan of WoW, I just wanted to counter all the posts I see about the game going down. Yeah it's pointless, and it's beyond a dead horse, but I have insomnia and this helps bore me to sleep. goodnight. |
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Everyone will try out WotLK and stay in it for a while. Saying that you follow the industry and wont be buyin it, is like sayin you'd never drive the latest model of the best selling car as a journalist of a car magazine. You loose all credibitly if you wont try WotLK - even on MMORPG.COM. How is world PvP now? How is phasing? What's the new content? Class advancements? This is the foundation of all sub theories of the last 3 years. |
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Originally posted by TeamFortress
qft, I like to try everything, and some of the games out there are great fun, they just fell off somewhere. I remember when they brought the danceclubs into CoH, when housing came into SWG, etc.. all games are worth a try IMO. |
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I wouldn't even care if subs dropped a little. What's going to happen? Blizz go out of business? lol If subs did drop that bad blizzard would just hurry up with new games and content which is a good thing. Maybe war will take some of the idiots out of pvp--people who are noobs and can't tell the difference yet between both games or think war's actually better. |
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Azrile
Novice Member
Joined: 7/29/08
Any new or returning player to WOW, send me a PM for some help getting started. |
Originally posted by greymann
WOW isn't going to lose subs to Warhammer.. they are too smart 1. They are going to release the 3.0 patch (the one with new talents and inscription) right around the time Warhammer launches. 2. They are going to be launching WotLK right around the time players will have to pay their first months subsription to Warhammer. 3. Lake Wintergrasp actually has more seige detail then Warhammer. Things like mobile seige weapons. Warhammer is basically a big zerg fest ( you rez, you rush to the front and dps as much as possible til you die). Wow combat is much more tactical with snares, CCs and interrupts. For all the pvp hype regarding Warhammer.. most of their scenarios are exactly like AB and WSG. 4. Class balance - read the thread in this forum about the 'transition from wow to war'. People complain about WOW being unbalanced, yet in 5v5 teams there is almost perfect representation (warriors are a bit high, that is it). The class balance in Warhammer is atrocious and it will take many months on a live server for them to balance it.. Will players keep playing warhammer hoping it gets fixed, or will they come back to the relatively balanced WOW with Lake Wintergrasp. 5. Warhammer is ALL ABOUT PVP. The rest of the game is terrible. No crafting except for terrible alchemy... no pve per se ( 20% of mobs don't even fight back, they just stand there and let you kill them). Quests are mostly global, which means you get no personal reward for helping your faction. If your idea of a perfect game is doing nothing but rushing mid-field in a WSG match, then Warhammer is your game. ................................................ |
Originally posted by djsmileey Sheer ignorance, racism or stupidity. Which one is it? In the line above you are either suggesting: a) That the Asian subscriber figures are composed of an unknown proportion of gold sellers, thus inferring that subscriber figures for that region are less meaningful. or b) Out of the total of 11mil subscribers across the globe, they are composed of an unknown proportion of gold sellers making figures unreliable. I do not debate the fact that gold seller accounts are not a meaningful indicator of popularity or success, however... The way you have written this statement indicates you intended a), in which case your brain malfunctioned and you failed to comprehend that the Asian market for gold sellers is the result of the economic differences between East and West. In short - 'Asian' gold sellers do not sell gold to themselves, they sell gold to the richer Western markets, therefore those accounts would be included in the Western figures, and not the Asian subscriber numbers. If your brain has not malfunctioned again, you know that it follows that this would make the Asian subscriber numbers more reliable. Of course the common argument against the Asian numbers, is that people in Asia pay less for WoW, but of course they earn less (on average), and the economy is completely different, it costs less to operate WoW in those regions, and there is more competition for MMORPGs in that region, which might indicate that the Asian subscriber numbers are actually more reliable, but I'm getting off topic. If on the other hand you indicated b), which is least likely, but the most likely excuse one might take if trying to squirm one's way out of making unintentionally racist statements, your inferring that WoW has a greater proportion of gold sellers than other MMORPGs, why? There is no evidence to the contrary, and seeing as gold sellers operate in all major MMORPGs, with some companies encouraging 'real life' sales, such as EVE online, and Blizzard's mass banning of many thousands of accounts related to these activities, that the proportion of gold sellers in WoW is actually no higher than the norm - whatever that is. Ignorance, racism or stupidity - probably a combination of all three. Many people have predicted the imminent decline of WoW for almost 5 years. One day, they will be right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
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Way to talk about watching flamewars between fanbois while sounding like a fanboi and starting a flamewar. how does i troll? |
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Last report made by blizzard states that they had 10.9 million subs, so yeah you are wrong about that, you just said they have 2.5mil in US and 2mil in Europe, You didnt state how many they have in the Asian market which is like 90% of their income alone. So yes they do have 11 mil subs |
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What does it matter? One server only holds a few thousand at a time so honestly what the hell does it matter if it loses 500 million even. There will still be 30 full servers... Nevermind I know why. Just like in game all that matters is your epeen. |
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branko2307
Advanced Member
Joined: 6/21/06
If everything is going wrong and all the sunden something go well, then something must be wrong... |
/totally agreed
Im curently playing Vanguard....and really enjoying the game and comunity, but i also have my WoW account and alot of real life friends still playing. I will probably resub it after Expansion and play PvP with friends in internet caffe (just cant play WoW PVE anymore coz i have life) so i play Vanguard PVE wich is much less time demanding. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Originally posted by TeamFortress
No not everyone. It will do very well though. There are many people like me who played WoW for a few months and realized it was just a very mediocre game. We will not be back for Wotlk. We did not leave WoW for other games, we left because WoW for us is complete junk. We have played other games and WoW was a complete and utter failure for us. Obviously that is not true for everyone, but it is not true to say everyone will play Woltk either. The main reason WoW does so well is because it runs great on crap machines. Most WoW subscriber's machines can't run other mmo's without freezing up, so they stay with WoW becaue they have no choice. Running around in a saturday morning cartoon with a bunch of 10 year olds doesn't give you crediblity. ----- There is no war in World of BoreCraft |
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If 40% of WOW went to try AOC then expect more to try WAR. If WAR is polished and people like it then obviously people will continue to play WAR instead. |
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I'd like to give the nod to the person who basically said "competition is good" because ultimately the customers win. We get more/improved content since they're racing to keep up, the price typically drops, and when two companies are nose-to-nose, it's customer service that will make the difference. If this were the 1800's, then the customers would be considered 'the lady' and the game companies are 'the suitors'. Let capitalism do it's thing and we'll all come out winners. http://www.allaboutgod.com/ |
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Originally posted by UncertaintyP I've been in WAR closed beta for a while now, and if you lern2read what I wrote you'll see me stating that other games are great. I was just putting out my reasoning for WoW not being in danger. { Mod Edit } |
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I wouldn't run off to War in a heartbeat anyway. All your going to hear is the same old whinners complain about end-game content and how crap doesn't work and balancing issues. It's the same ole stuff wherever you go. "Everything is mine and your woman too" |
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Originally posted by deckatre
You forgot to add something, maybe the fact that most of WoWs subs are farmers, gold sellers, or bots and its a simple game with alot of popularity. And also when you say every game has failed that has tried to compete against WoW,... I would like to tell you THAT IS BS. if everygame has failed that tried to compete with WoW we wouldn't have any other mmos, and this website would be called WoW not mmorpg. heres some games as proof that every game hasn't failed: 1.CoH/CoV 2. LOTRO 3. Tabula Rasa 4. Guild Wars 5. just look at the list of mmos in the released section of the website. Tabula Rasa was and forever will be, an EPIC FAIL!!! To tell the truth, The only MMO's I would ever find myself playing other than WoW are Vanguard(even though it had a terrible launch it is starting to regain subs, most likely because of the AoC disaster and there will be a free trial to get more players back soon, because it has improved a lot) and EQ2, which is a great PvE game all around, and I really enjoyed playing it in the past. Also, Darkfall looks amazing, if it is ever even released. These games are the only games to have PvE content that is difficult enough and fun enough for me to play the game, but one of the big reasons I play WoW is because there is lots of quality PvP and PvE content. However, I really believe I will be leaving WoW for darkfall.
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All the fanboys frothing at the the mouth aside, i do hope WAR does well and dont really care if it takes as few subs away from wow. they say necessity is the mother of invention, and if this game gives Blizz that kick on its ass to work much harder to hold on to its player base then its a win win situation for us players.
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I hope Warhammer does well so that game-hoppers and power-levelers will leave World of Warcraft to those of us who are interested in roleplay and community. Else...back they come with whinings of how there's no 'good games' on the market. http://www.allaboutgod.com/ |
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