Gear doesn’t matter as much when compared to a character of lesser gear in terms of quality. A level 40 player with no gear or level 20 gear will have a very hard time against a player with level 40 normal gear. However a level 40 player with normal (Green Gear) will only have a slight disadvantage against a player in Level 40 (Purple Gear). So things are a bit gear dependent but not in the way allot of people are trying to spin it.

In the case that happened this weekend had more to do with Players getting a full level 10 set going against players with gear ranging from 4 – 6 level. In most of those cases as well the players with the lower level gear were wearing whites with little to no stat bonuses. Apparently this has been noted and they plan on raising the requirement level on the gear to 12 which will prevent players with the gear from RvRing in Tier I. This will not prevent players from going to Tier II PQs and getting gear but the act of completing the PQs will push the player close enough to level 12 that they will not be granted to much of an advantage.

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Originally posted by Whitelight23
 In the case that happened this weekend had more to do with Players getting a full level 10 set

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You're wrong White, people in level 6 reknown gear were the twinks who were mowing through us.

The people who managed to get lvl 10 gear were extermely rare, I never saw one.

When I got my lvl 6 reknown gear, my dps tripled. Just my staff alone had more int than my entire pve set i got from quest rewards.

Thinks it's gonna be a no-brainer that those packing RR80 gear in a year to 18 months time will destroy those in RR40 gear.

People that play this game from launch will eat newcomers for breakfast. Bang goes all the skill based stuff!

80000 renown points to RR 40

5000000 renown points to RR80 from what I hear.

They will also likely up the renown cap in future expacs.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

This should be a fun topic to talk about.

Some people are touchy when it comes to gear dependency making such a big difference in pvp. Some say, "it wont be like WoW where you wont stand a chance against someone with better gear".

Well i hate to say it.. actually no i dont... that WAR is going to be a gear based game. The better gear, the easier it is to kill another player without it. So far its based on Renown... perhaps even the dungeons they are putting in place in the game. Grinding renown is at least fun, it just means...pvp..a lot.

While i do not disagree with this system, i know it might hurt some who hate the whole concept of gear dependency.

One of the topics Mark brought up when addressing the players after preview weekend was this

" (9) Renown rank gear
- Unfortunately, a new bug (well an old bug we fixed and then managed to break again) which allowed Rank 10 RR 6 players can go to Tier 2 to get better gear and then come back to Tier 1 and own scenarios. We are currently working on a fix. "

The same level players could run across the map, nap that gear, run back and easily have the upper hand in battles. Meaning gear makes that much a difference.

The real question is, end game, will there always be new gear to strive for or is it going to iron out and everyone who grinded up their gear to that point will be equal? The problem might be for those who spent too much time PvE and not PvPing enough to have the same renown as those with the better gear.

So the PvPers will have an advantage over the PvEers because they got equipment geared towards PvP.  Hmmm...guess that means the PvEers will just have to stop whining and demanding everything in the game without working for it and go PvP like everyone else to get the right gear ;p
 

Gear is skill depended too. Because you have to play alot to be skillful. And with playing alot it's not a problem to get a good gear.

I didn't find that gear was that huge of a difference maker over this last weekend.  i didn't even know that this bug was going on or that others were supposedly bettered geared then i was.  I had top 5 dmg, kills and kill shots from lvl 4 on up and never upgraded gear besides what i could buy in the first area for rank 4i think it was.  It was about playing smart and staying alive.

If you work harder ?  You mean if your part of a huge guild or have thousands of hours longer to play and farm gear.

The whole point of making gear useful and not making a character 100% dependant on gear is what Mythic has given us, you want to be almighty then continus playing Wow.

War is not and will not be a bunny hopping two button mash, I win because I have epic gear experience.

All the bunnies please refrain from entering the realm of War you are now the hunted.

Originally posted by Stridar

I didn't find that gear was that huge of a difference maker over this last weekend.  i didn't even know that this bug was going on or that others were supposedly bettered geared then i was.  I had top 5 dmg, kills and kill shots from lvl 4 on up and never upgraded gear besides what i could buy in the first area for rank 4i think it was.  It was about playing smart and staying alive.

Really? Soon as me and my group got our rank 6 level 10 gear we stopped dying. Gear was night and day difference for us. Where before hand we were 50/50 on scenarios we were now 100 / 0 on them, and pretty much rarely died unless we had a MAJOR screw up or were suiciding for quest turn ins.

Granted the majority of the people we were fighting were not geared and were not coordinated... but gear definitely made a large impact.

I think the difference between Tier 2 and Tier 1 gear is exagerated by the fact that superior gear comes slow during the first 10 Ranks. By Rank 8 I usually had a couple pieces of gear that were vastly superior to the starting gear, while the rest of my pieces were still starter level,or not much better than starter level. (I even would have some slots with no gear).

Once you hit Tier 2, most of your gear should be upgraded significantly over the starter gear and the upgrades with in the Tier should not be as drastic a boost.

I don't know if this will remain the same in retail, but there were no weapon/armor vendors at all, at least through Rank 8. That means that unless you find gear from drops or rewards (it doesn't drop any where near as often as in other games), you are stuck with starter gear for a while.

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by Emotions
they already said that gear won't be a huge difference so it will be more skill based.

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You know how people say they are rotflol, but never are? I'm actually chuckling.

When I got my lvl 10 reknown armor, my dps tripled.

The scenarios are full of twinks wearing reknown gear who are every bit as formidable as wow twinks.

Gear makes a huge difference in WAR.
 

I think it's kind of funny and a little exaggerated to think your damage tripled.  I know where the sorc reknown gear...I barely grabed +40 damage over all (and this with mostly and all INT gear, which is a casters bst friend in war) and +40 spell damage is hardly a tripling affect. With my Archmage in her reknown gear...she added a mere 45 to her heals. 

Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay. It also follows suit with the linear design. When will people learn ......

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by Whitelight23
 In the case that happened this weekend had more to do with Players getting a full level 10 set

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You're wrong White, people in level 6 reknown gear were the twinks who were mowing through us.

The people who managed to get lvl 10 gear were extermely rare, I never saw one.

When I got my lvl 6 reknown gear, my dps tripled. Just my staff alone had more int than my entire pve set i got from quest rewards.

Nope The highest Renown gear you get in Tier I is level 4 Renown 4. The stats on this gear are nice but they are on par with the Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 influence rewards. They are also average with Green PQ loot. The players who were causing the fuss had Tier II gear. 

I'm not sure what class you were playing but tripling your damage with one item is hard to swallow.

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

 

uhmmmm, they would level out of the tier and stop steam rolling you after a while.. thats the beuty of this game. I dont have to go kill 50,000 boars to level up and get boar intestines..

this thread is all about low level tiers and how gear affects them, but once they level out of the tier then what? its not like they start at level 1 with that gear and are steam rolling you all.. you have the same oppurtunity to get the same gear WHILE leveling, unlike WoW where you have to stop leveling for weeks to get the same gear as twinks...

no no, the real question (thats already been answered in a post in this thread) is if the level 40 PVP gear is 100x better than the level 30-39 pvp gear... if it is then thats where there is a problem. I for one dont mind getting steam rolled when im level 1, its when im 40 and have to spend months and months to compete like in WoW that I start to not enjoy the game.

(and if  i can pvp to 40, i should have enough RR to buy the 40 gear anyways, without having to farm it with no other rewards)

Gear will help you in WAR.  It will provide you with a slight edge over someone in lesser gear.  But the difference won't be like in WoW. 

In WoW, gear could determine a fight even if someone was of much better skill.  In WoW, if your skill was a 5 and you had the best gear in the game (10), you could beat someone in above average gear (7) who was a MASTER at PvP (10).  I've seen it, I've experienced it.  I had friends who I could regularly beat when we had equal gear (I'd say I won about 70% of the fights).  Then they got into a raiding guild and raided more than I did, within 2 weeks, they could crush me with no problems (winning 100% of the fights).  Gear should NOT make THAT much of a difference in a game where skill is supposed to be important.  It shouldn't switch things around THAT much.

In WAR, it seemed like everything was pretty evenly matched.  Granted, I haven't played it as much as I had WoW.  But it seems like gear didn't make as much of a difference as being well organized and skilled.

Will gear help you be successful in WAR PvP?  Yes, it will.  Will it make or break you in PvP?  No.

Originally posted by jackman1118

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

 

 

uhmmmm, they would level out of the tier and stop steam rolling you after a while.. thats the beuty of this game. I dont have to go kill 50,000 boars to level up and get boar intestines..

this thread is all about low level tiers and how gear affects them, but once they level out of the tier then what? its not like they start at level 1 with that gear and are steam rolling you all.. you have the same oppurtunity to get the same gear WHILE leveling, unlike WoW where you have to stop leveling for weeks to get the same gear as twinks...

no no, the real question (thats already been answered in a post in this thread) is if the level 40 PVP gear is 100x better than the level 30-39 pvp gear... if it is then thats where there is a problem. I for one dont mind getting steam rolled when im level 1, its when im 40 and have to spend months and months to compete like in WoW that I start to not enjoy the game.

(and if  i can pvp to 40, i should have enough RR to buy the 40 gear anyways, without having to farm it with no other rewards)

I don't think I am allowed to answer this question but if somebody could remind me what I can't comment on under the Elder NDA I might be able to give some insight.

The reason like its been said is due to the places where the gear is obtained.  Tier 1 gear is designed for Tier 1, and Tier 2 is designed for Tier 2.

It's the same reason when my Chosen hit level 12 in the middle of an RvR fight I got hit for over 6,000 damage as a chicken.  The rank and gear is clearly designed for each tier.  It's the same reason why WoW twinks use quested gear that is over the normal level caps.  This has already been shown as an oversight.  Expect to fight people in equal gear in the future. =)

 I think they timed the skills such that if your very skilled you can kill people in excellent gear when your Mildly well geared before gear becomes a factor. The less skill you have the more you need good gear. Which frankly goes without saying. I also think they capped the damages and timed the skills such that your skill doesnt have to be awesome or excellent to reach the cap. Basically they made the battlefield mostly even and friendly... Well ok Bloody and deadly but still a fair field hehe

 Mind you all this is my opinion. Personally experience will vary

Originally posted by Whitelight23

Originally posted by jackman1118

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Level based game = gear dependency. When you put stats on gear that effect a character, of course it effects gameplay.

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Exactly, and in a PvP game min maxing in rampant. My advice is to get in a good twink guild or else be steamrolled.

 

 

uhmmmm, they would level out of the tier and stop steam rolling you after a while.. thats the beuty of this game. I dont have to go kill 50,000 boars to level up and get boar intestines..

this thread is all about low level tiers and how gear affects them, but once they level out of the tier then what? its not like they start at level 1 with that gear and are steam rolling you all.. you have the same oppurtunity to get the same gear WHILE leveling, unlike WoW where you have to stop leveling for weeks to get the same gear as twinks...

no no, the real question (thats already been answered in a post in this thread) is if the level 40 PVP gear is 100x better than the level 30-39 pvp gear... if it is then thats where there is a problem. I for one dont mind getting steam rolled when im level 1, its when im 40 and have to spend months and months to compete like in WoW that I start to not enjoy the game.

(and if  i can pvp to 40, i should have enough RR to buy the 40 gear anyways, without having to farm it with no other rewards)

 

I don't think I am allowed to answer this question but if somebody could remind me what I can't comment on under the Elder NDA I might be able to give some insight.

You cant talk about stuff on the beta fourms or things that have been added to elder server after NDA dorp I think. If you had a experience with it before the NDA drop I think its ok to talk about it as I have seen post of people talking about end game RvR on WHA fourms and they don't talk about city sieges but they talk about fortresses a lot.

on my lvl 11 , RR 9 witch elf i whent to the second zone to buy my next gear for renown rank 8 because i worked hard to get RR8 and should have my next set of gear reguardless of what tier i am in, and yes i did pwn in scenarios after i got the gear my over all damage went from 100's to 250's , i still died the same amount of times but i got alot more kills and had dps off the charts.

The level 39 Renown 22 gear is very nice and cheap for the level. But I have picked up some nice gear from PQs that is better than the renown gear in some aspects. I have a group consistently with a player who also has farmed the hell out of PQs and loaded himself up on purples. We were both the same class and the difference between our stats wasn't overly concerning. Where as I was very high in my primary stat, he had higher overall stats. When we added the total bonus to all abilities across the board he had ranked in with about 60 points above my total with the focus across the board. In Scenarios we would come within 2k to 3k damage of each other as well.

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Emotions

they already said that gear won't be a huge difference so it will be more skill based.

did you actually read my post? tsk tsk tsk, its a bad habit to reply when you dont read it all.

" (9) Renown rank gear
- Unfortunately, a new bug (well an old bug we fixed and then managed to break again) which allowed Rank 10 RR 6 players can go to Tier 2 to get better gear and then come back to Tier 1 and own scenarios. We are currently working on a fix. " -official statement

Shows that gear made all the difference in these scenarios between players who have it, and players who dont.

So obviously players with better gear have the upper hand, regardless of skill.

I understand your point.  Now understand mine please (dont share it but understand it... or try to).

No, gear doesnt make much difference. Altough it does help.  The same as level.  If you read my old post I had said that someone nuking a low and naked enemy, will kill it in few nukes but still it wont be one shot kill (of course, there are exceptions but that are exceptions not common thing like in other games).

Now... why gear is non important in WAR?  First, is easily getable.  Second, all can get similar gear.  Third, you can get ok gear just by RvRing.

The good news... this is no grindfest, so you level enough fast to not feel frustrate days and days because you face higher level.  This is not a raidfest, so you dont need to raid for hours jsut for the chance of getting one piece of gear.

If someone get the best gear in game, get the talisman that helps him/her best, that person will be strong.  But still that person wont go around one nuking enemies of the same lvl in non the best gear in game and/or the perfect talismans.

You may not believe all this (you dont have to share my opinion on this matter) but I do hope you understand my opinion.

People always bitch when they realize that they'll have to do some work to get what they want. This phenomenon is not restricted to MMO's.

Gear always plays some roll in pvp, but mythic usually does a good job of balancing it.  I think gear will give you an edge, but it won't be the deciding factor like in some other games.

Originally posted by fingis

 

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Originally posted by Whitelight23
 In the case that happened this weekend had more to do with Players getting a full level 10 set

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You're wrong White, people in level 6 reknown gear were the twinks who were mowing through us.

The people who managed to get lvl 10 gear were extermely rare, I never saw one.

When I got my lvl 6 reknown gear, my dps tripled. Just my staff alone had more int than my entire pve set i got from quest rewards.

I swear Fingis, I see more nonsensical posts from you than anyone else out there.  Level 10 gear and rr 6 gear are the same damn thing.  Yes people weren't supposed to be able to get this gear, but it was also extremely easy to get.  The people able to get to level 10... was everyone.  I made a black orc at 9pm sunday night and got him to level 10 before going to bed...  I also seriously doubt you had "an entire pve set."  Yeah getting that rr 6 gear made you a ton better, yeah its going away, and maybe, just maybe you should cut down on the tears because you got owned so hard this weekend.