WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by aubry

Originally posted by Shard101

You are not gonna sit here and tell me you can't trade coin from a trial account onto a playing acount by a regular toon -toon trade. I have done it! 

 

You can, but what are you going to farm at level 20 that's even worth anything?  Run around and mine copper all day long?  It's a waste of thier time when they can make 200-300g+ an hour farming primals on a power-leveled 70.

You are still missing my point.

The trial accounts are used to advertise in safety of getting their main accounts banned. the Inflated trial accounts that all the sweatshops and more than half of asia use are counted as subscribers by Blizzard.

Majority are gold sellers and second and third accounts for when players fought their own teams in arenas to get S3.

Originally posted by Shard101

 

You are still missing my point.

The trial accounts are used to advertise in safety of getting their main accounts banned. the Inflated trial accounts that all the sweatshops and more than half of asia use are counted as subscribers by Blizzard.

Majority are gold sellers and second and third accounts for when players fought their own teams in arenas to get S3.

I'm sorry, I thought we were dealing with real numbers here.  I see we are dealing with whatever you think they are.  Blizzard has already stated that their numbers don't include trial or inactive accounts.  Only accounts that are active and paid.  They have reported this not just to the fans, but to their investors.  What that means is if they are lying about trial accounts it violates any number of SEC reporting laws.  In the real world that's a very serious violation and they aren't going to risk that just to make their numbers sound a little better.

Originally posted by aubry

Originally posted by Shard101

 

You are still missing my point.

The trial accounts are used to advertise in safety of getting their main accounts banned. the Inflated trial accounts that all the sweatshops and more than half of asia use are counted as subscribers by Blizzard.

Majority are gold sellers and second and third accounts for when players fought their own teams in arenas to get S3.

 

I'm sorry, I thought we were dealing with real numbers here.  I see we are dealing with whatever you think they are.  Blizzard has already stated that their numbers don't include trial or inactive accounts.  Only accounts that are active and paid.  They have reported this not just to the fans, but to their investors.  What that means is if they are lying about trial accounts it violates any number of SEC reporting laws.  In the real world that's a very serious violation and they aren't going to risk that just to make their numbers sound a little better.

Blizzard is not an independant source. Why believe Blizzard?

WoW is a sweatshops heaven.....  Why you think they leave free trial accounts up?  Thats an advertisement outlet for their biggest customer base.

If they had 11mil paying customers monthly ,why have free trials period?

Originally posted by Shard101

Blizzard is not an independant source. Why believe Blizzard?

Alrighty, I'm done.  You obviously don't even understand basic financial reporting procedures in business.  These numbers weren't just press releases, they were numbers included in financial reports required, by law, to their investors (since they are public).  Unless they want to spend some time in prison, they simply don't make those numbers up - it's that serious in the financial world on things like that.  It's almost the same as filing false tax returns.  Blizzard is the ONLY source with these real numbers - it's THIER business.   I'll let you argue with others from here on out.

Originally posted by aubry

Originally posted by Shard101

Blizzard is not an independant source. Why believe Blizzard?

 

Alrighty, I'm done.  You obviously don't even understand basic financial reporting procedures in business.  These numbers weren't just press releases, they were numbers included in financial reports required, by law, to their investors (since they are public).  Unless they want to spend some time in prison, they simply don't make those numbers up - it's that serious in the financial world on things like that.  It's almost the same as filing false tax returns.  Blizzard is the ONLY people with these real numbers - it's THIER business.   I'll let you argue with others from here on out.

Those numbers are not public... It's just what Blizzard has said they are and nothing more.

Did blizzard rip off warhammer table top concepts/art/lore back in the day, yes.  Is warhammer ripping off many of the MMO concepts of WoW, yes.  It isn't to hard to be honest about that. There is plenty of concept stealing that goes on in the MMO world, but never have two MMO felt so identical in presentation.

Shard, what on earth can you possibly mean that their numbers are not public?  Publically traded companies cannot just make up any financial information they want to and release that to the public.  Anything a company "just says" they can be held legally responsible for. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Did blizzard rip off warhammer table top concepts/art/lore back in the day, yes.  Is warhammer ripping off many of the MMO concepts of WoW, yes.  It isn't to hard to be honest about that.  WoW also cloned much about EQ, but they don't look identical.  There are plenty of other games that are cloning WoW that don't look identical.

 

Shard, what on earth can you possibly mean that their numbers are not public?  Publically traded companies cannot just make up any financial information they want to and release that to the public.  Anything a company "just says" they can be held legally responsible for. 

 

Show me proof... WoW doesn't have to report actual subscriptions of their product. They only have to legally report the box sales of that product.

Yeah and EA would be really put out if they thought Bliz had lied to them as one of their big % investors in Asia. Yep that's right folks. EA bought into The9 in a big way. They are now in a win win situation. :) WoW sells well they get paid. WAR sells well they still get paid :D

Just to add troll I believe the term is pwnt Bliz...

Originally posted by Shard101

Show me proof... WoW doesn't have to report actual subscriptions of their product. They only have to legally report the box sales of that product.

He already did show you the proof, you just seem to be unable to deduce it.

If Blizzard were lying to their investors about active account numbers then a million lawyers would be jumping to sue Blizzard. The bigger success a company has, the faster people will try to sue, simply because there is something to gain.

And even if they were lying by 50%, then they would still have 1 million users in europe, still around 2 million users in the US, and still around 3 million users in Asia. Even if they make up half of their numbers, it's still very impressive.