Well, I'm not leaving as I was there for about a total of 3 months over the past 4 years. I'll be playing WAR for 2 reasons.

1) Better PvP

2) No raiding

Why people will leave wow for war?

Public quests
New classes/races
Easy transition from pve to rvr
Tome of Knowledge
Achievements
Character titles
 

Why? Because WoW is the most boring game in the world until you level to 70, and it only gets better then if all you're interested in doing is running the same raids over and over again looking for slightly better phat lootz.

WAR is much faster paced, I love the Warhammer universe, and I'm sick of WoW. 'Nuff said.

Another fraking reason why someone would leave WoW is because it gets annoying everytime you log into the game and the most common word is some type of varient from the word "fag". Now I think you should be asking the question why would someone pay to play a game with crappy gameplay, community, and just overall crappyness, And don't tell me that WoW has more subscribers then any other game because all those subscribers WoW brags about only 1/4 are actual gamers and the other 3/4 are farmers,gold sellers, or bots.

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

flying mounts ruined wow pvp

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

wow is a pve based game though its not to fun to raid the same doungens hundreds of time for the super awesome gear

3.) An economy with an AH

so does WAR when it releases

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

LOL try vangaurd for that

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

when did this happen

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

you forgot to mention that in WAR you have the strong guild relationships, everything you do in not just for the best gear but for one cause, leveling only through pvp, public quests, around 25 secret zones that you have to explore to find that will unlock better things, the best cities in an MMO (according to the devs) with 4 more afew months after release that will be even better, double the classes of WoW, ect.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

just told you

Please understand that i am a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately dont  want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have seen one.

I'm not a fanboi of diddly squat. I am a long time gamer with a liking for PvP in a hardcore setting. I want to love WAR. These are some the things that trouble me:

The classes are 80% identical in abilities. Yes they are called different things and may look different when performed. This is not true of WoW. Wow's classes are relatively diverse.

High Elf models are aweful. They appear to have an extra joint in their neck and the area surround their eyes is poorly done.

From the best I can tell whatever class you choose DICTATES your weaponry. Lack of customization here.

Character creation: lack of options. I'd say its "slightly" better than WoW.

Lack of what I call fun spells, movement enhancement, polymorph, levitation, shapeshifting, special sight ( seeing through pets or other players eyes ), Illusions, summoning food, waterbreathing, walk on water, invisibility.

I'm personally sick and tired of quest driven MMOs. Do this go to point A. Point A tells you to do these 5 things, go to point B.

Lack of diversity. The branching system is weak in my opinion. WoW's is superior. EQ2's is superior.

The world feels larger and more open in WAR, this is a good thing.

PVP scenarios have been worked into Quests. This is a good thing.

The game feels as if there is nothing to buy or do other than PvP or Quest. To be fair they have included some secret areas/items which enrich the lore. I enjoy games which reward adventure.

Mechanically, the game is reasonibly sound. Better than many MMOs. As far as the game content I'm regretfully disappointed. I want to love this game.

I like a game that presents players possibilities. Not a game that dictates your play. Yes I'm one of those "Uncle Owens" from SWG. I liked setting up a house in the midst of no where. Visiting my neighbors. Going our with my community to hunt or in search of some whatever. I loved hunting Jedi. I was quite good at it. I loved massive PvP battles between the Empire and Rebellion. The closer a game can come to allowing me as a player to develop a character as I see fit and allowing me to play in a diverse number of ways...the happier I am.

I pray that these mindless games for tots will end and an old fashioned sandbox of high quality will emerge.

WAR probably isn't for me, I'm sure many will like it.

That was much longer than intended. My apologies.

Originally posted by silandril

I'm not a fanboi of diddly squat. I am a long time gamer with a liking for PvP in a hardcore setting. I want to love WAR. These are some the things that trouble me:

The classes are 80% identical in abilities. Yes they are called different things and may look different when performed. This is not true of WoW. Wow's classes are relatively diverse.

High Elf models are aweful. They appear to have an extra joint in their neck and the area surround their eyes is poorly done.

From the best I can tell whatever class you choose DICTATES your weaponry. Lack of customization here.

Character creation: lack of options. I'd say its "slightly" better than WoW.

Lack of what I call fun spells, movement enhancement, polymorph, levitation, shapeshifting, special sight ( seeing through pets or other players eyes ), Illusions, summoning food, waterbreathing, walk on water, invisibility.

I'm personally sick and tired of quest driven MMOs. Do this go to point A. Point A tells you to do these 5 things, go to point B.

Lack of diversity. The branching system is weak in my opinion. WoW's is superior. EQ2's is superior.

The world feels larger and more open in WAR, this is a good thing.

PVP scenarios have been worked into Quests. This is a good thing.

The game feels as if there is nothing to buy or do other than PvP or Quest. To be fair they have included some secret areas/items which enrich the lore. I enjoy games which reward adventure.

Mechanically, the game is reasonibly sound. Better than many MMOs. As far as the game content I'm regretfully disappointed. I want to love this game.

I like a game that presents players possibilities. Not a game that dictates your play. Yes I'm one of those "Uncle Owens" from SWG. I liked setting up a house in the midst of no where. Visiting my neighbors. Going our with my community to hunt or in search of some whatever. I loved hunting Jedi. I was quite good at it. I loved massive PvP battles between the Empire and Rebellion. The closer a game can come to allowing me as a player to develop a character as I see fit and allowing me to play in a diverse number of ways...the happier I am.

I pray that these mindless games for tots will end and an old fashioned sandbox of high quality will emerge.

WAR probably isn't for me, I'm sure many will like it.

That was much longer than intended. My apologies.

Have you played The Saga Of Ryzom latly? Its a very good Sandbox Style game that might be to your liking. It is free to play right now so if you have not tried it go download it from the Ryzom website and give it a whirl. If a sandbox style game is what you like you are limited to pretty much Ryzom and Eve.Warhammer will not be a Sandbox either.
 

I am leaving WoW because its a fresh new start. I am just tired of running thru the same BG's everyday and want change for the time being. I am sure I will go back and play WoW again but for now I need a break. To me WoW is a great game always has been always will.

Originally posted by Emotions

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

 

Whats your point? that wow > war? Ok good for you. Now plz tell me why you made this post?

I think he made the post to inspire some discussion. Isn't that what forums are for?

Feel free not to read it or participate.

Battleskar - I did try Ryzom a long time ago when it had a free trial. You couldn't leave the "newbie" area and could only achieve level 10 as I recall. I might have liked it more had I gotten to see more of the world. I might give it another go. Thanks for the suggestion.

I did think of another small rant. Consider it an addendum to my former post:

End Game Content: This is a nonissue for me. I play games to enjoy levels 1 - N. If I can't have fun until level N then the game sucks in my opinion. At level N, this is when sandbox's shine IMHO. The game can continue to be a social world. Run a shop. Run a city. Run a guild. Form a school ( some games classes and diversity are extensive enough that you can put your own twist on a class and teach it to other -- Yeah Teras Kasi ).

I'll shut up now :)

Wow isn't what it used to be the new content team butchered the hell out of the classes and the gameplay. With the lame updates they did the classes breaking many of them along with making arena gear better than PVE dungeon gear. I used to be a hardcore Wow player for 4 years and was in 2 major raiding guilds up until the arena gear was given massive advantages over gear you spent 4-6 hours a night trying to get defeating the purpose behind raiding to begin with. Many of my ex-guild mates quit playing some I'm still in touch with who are also waiting for another MMORPG to play that had that same competive edge that Wow used to have.

The bottom line is that WAR isn't going to pull away players from the current Wow player base. However those who got sick of Blizzard catering to casual players and the destruction of the original game formula that made the game great to begin with may find a new home.

 

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

k so yes the RVR is the major one.

PQ's is another

Tok is another

Ability to change the look of armour is another

Tha fact that for the entire PW i was never once bored and i played a hell of alot is another.

Two things have really influenced my decision to play WAR:

1. I love the Warhammer world. It's gritty, dark, and  way more original compared to WOW's generic pop fantasy.  However, it's not all boobiez and ruptured spleens like AOC, which maybe I'm getting too old to get really excited about.

2. I can get involved in something more than just a quest for the next set of gear that will be obsolete in 3 months. I can help build my guild and help lead the forces of Order to victory in RVR. That being said, the game doesn't require me to play for long hours just to accomplish anything. As much as I like the idea of sand box games like SWG pre-CU and EVE, they seem to require you to treat the game like a second life if you want to be successful. At the end of the day, I just want to be able to log on and have fun.

I spent most of my time in PvP in WoW... after getting a taste of superior PvP in WAR, I'll be switching for sure. WAR PvP seemed a little slow at first but once you get used to it, it's real fun and addicting.

Just wanted to stop by in this silly thread and remind the OP that both WoW and other games can be fun, all at the same time... amazing, I know...

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

    a new day of WoW is leaving and settin new things for new MMOs war isnt taking out wow its setting a goal to take it out forever but war wont kill it WoW will, WoW will see compitition now wont they then what are they gonna do : expansions lots of patches to change diffrent things and alot of new things until there isnt any new things to do what will happen to WoW itll bleed itself dry until every ounce of its game is gone until its past until the new age of new MMOs just like wow that will catch and take the eye of all there people warhammer just guess how many just moved to this game GUESS and thats just one MMO now imagine 10 or 15 just like it to take them all until WoW cant do anything else ZEBRA MOUNTS WTF whats next gnome soccar a mini game to unlock a rabbit mount just for gnomes ?

Warhammer does have a big world to tell u the truth the RVR system is insanly good and its earns respect cause its not a bad game, it is a good game that people should play WOW: waiting on warhammer  

i left wow to get better things it wasnt me it was them, i got bored

all the good things you just named are "PVE". By giving Warhammer "PVP", you place them at least at 50/50.

You know what I'm tired of?  WoW addicts who are comparing a game that just got out of closed beta to a game that has been around for over 3 years.

Now, let's talk about this your reasons why WoW is better.

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

Once I got the first open RvR area I could grab a flight master to get to the capital city or to the tier 1 area for all the races on my side of the war.  I remember when WoW first came out and Darnassus didn't have an auction house; I remember the run to Ironforge just to have access to the auction house.  Things changed in 3 years.

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

Again, 3 years of age to CLOSED beta.  And WoW is aimed at PvE players.  And while I quit right before BC came out, I can't say the PvE was 'amazing'.  Once you learned the encounter, it was just a matter just pushing the right button and everyone doing their part.  No randomness, no real skill required once you knew the encounter because you knew what was coming.

3.) An economy with an AH

Actually, there is an auction house in WAR.  If you went to the Capital City for your faction, you'd find the NPCs are there.  The system just hasn't been activated.  And frankly, you don't NEED it for beta as you are squashing bugs.  Again, 3 years of live vs. CLOSED beta.

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

3 years of expansion compared to closed beta.  Seeing a pattern here?  I remember when WoW first came out.  I remember when Silithus had almost nothing in it.  I remember when there was no Dire Maul.  Let's see what WAR looks like in one year.

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

I remember when the only 2 professions that were meaningful were enchanting and alchemy.  Leatherworking was iffy and blacksmithing was garbage once people got epic gear (except you needed a blacksmith to make a Hand of Rag).  Talisman Making hasn't even been installed yet to add enhancements to gear. 

Again, 3 years of LIVE time compared to CLOSED beta.

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

And here's the funny part: Many people are already saying WAR's PvP is better than WoW's; which it should be as the game is aimed at PvP gamers.  However, I gotta say.  Isn't it sad that a game in CLOSED beta has better PvP balance between its classes than a game that has been live for 3 years?

I'm not saying WAR is going to break WoW.  I doubt it will; they cater to different markets.  But judging a game on its closed beta is silly.  Might as well judge a professional sports team by how well it does in pre-season.  Or comparing what a 3 year old can do to a newborn...

Originally posted by routesman

You know what I'm tired of?  WoW addicts who are comparing a game that just got out of closed beta to a game that has been around for over 3 years.

Now, let's talk about this your reasons why WoW is better.

 

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

Once I got the first open RvR area I could grab a flight master to get to the capital city or to the tier 1 area for all the races on my side of the war.  I remember when WoW first came out and Darnassus didn't have an auction house; I remember the run to Ironforge just to have access to the auction house.  Things changed in 3 years.

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

Again, 3 years of age to CLOSED beta.  And WoW is aimed at PvE players.  And while I quit right before BC came out, I can't say the PvE was 'amazing'.  Once you learned the encounter, it was just a matter just pushing the right button and everyone doing their part.  No randomness, no real skill required once you knew the encounter because you knew what was coming.

3.) An economy with an AH

Actually, there is an auction house in WAR.  If you went to the Capital City for your faction, you'd find the NPCs are there.  The system just hasn't been activated.  And frankly, you don't NEED it for beta as you are squashing bugs.  Again, 3 years of live vs. CLOSED beta.

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

3 years of expansion compared to closed beta.  Seeing a pattern here?  I remember when WoW first came out.  I remember when Silithus had almost nothing in it.  I remember when there was no Dire Maul.  Let's see what WAR looks like in one year.

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

I remember when the only 2 professions that were meaningful were enchanting and alchemy.  Leatherworking was iffy and blacksmithing was garbage once people got epic gear (except you needed a blacksmith to make a Hand of Rag).  Talisman Making hasn't even been installed yet to add enhancements to gear. 

Again, 3 years of LIVE time compared to CLOSED beta.

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

And here's the funny part: Many people are already saying WAR's PvP is better than WoW's; which it should be as the game is aimed at PvP gamers.  However, I gotta say.  Isn't it sad that a game in CLOSED beta has better PvP balance between its classes than a game that has been live for 3 years?

 

I'm not saying WAR is going to break WoW.  I doubt it will; they cater to different markets.  But judging a game on its closed beta is silly.  Might as well judge a professional sports team by how well it does in pre-season.  Or comparing what a 3 year old can do to a newborn...

I can judge on closed beta. I will be playing WAR. I am generally a PVE focused player but WAR RVR (like DAOC's), public quests, and open parties, plus scenerios and some of the cool gear that I got, made up my mind.
 

The WOWites are great but they have to understand there was an MMO world before WOW and there are many, many others since. The great WOW universe of lore was a copy (changed enough to avoid intellectual property issues) of the fantastic WAR universe. That is why they look and feel similar. The "WOW clone" features are not specific to WOW but rather standards in an industry that have been around a long time.

Speaking of things that WAR has done well (not to beat out WOW or that I even care if it does).

Open Parties: I remember when playing WOW waiting for Raid groups to form,etc. The simple concept of open parties is so well implemented it makes getting into groups and Warbands (raid groups or multiple parties) so easy and fast it is fantastic.

Public Quests: Again, another solid gameplay feature. it feels like hopping into a raid group for a large open quest without having to wait to form a raid group. Great concept, reasonably well executed.

The WARHAMMER universe: With 25 years of AWESOME stories and development there is so much to tap into it is unreal. The gritty conflict of this world is so well developed even WOW can't surpass the potential depth of what they could do with PVE in the game.

Anyway, I like WOW too. I played it for a couple of years after playing EQ and M59 plus others. WOW was not revolutionary and still isn't, Blizzard just refines what is already out there to the point of being an art form.

That being said, WAR will have a place in the MMO world. No other MMO will EVER do 8 mil + subs. WOW is an anomoly. Before WOW 250k subs was great and will still support a game into perpituity if the sub level remains there. WAR will not be a WOW killer and I have not seen anything that will but I prefer the WAR universe and lore way more.

i agree in routesman in everyway but there is one thing i will say before i stop posting on this topic i think the game,Warhammer online, is better than wow and yet its still in closed beta

I played WoW for quite a long time and had some great times there.I left WoW mostly because of the arrogant,rude,ignorant kids that play the game. A close friend (RL and WoW) took his life and all it took was one look at the forums to confirm that these weren't the people I wanted to have anything to do with,their slanderous ridicule made me sick. Since then I've returned to EQ2, DaoC and even tried LoTR which all provided a more mature and respectful crowd. I sometimes miss the raids with friends or even the arena but slap myself to reality when I recall the trash-talking that takes place between players there. I also have no more patience for Blizzard and their lack of class balance. Mythic,thanks for having me back. You provided one of the best gaming experiences and most enjoyable gaming community I've been involved with. Very much looking forward to War.

Why you would leave WoW for WAR:

WoW is:

1) Too gear centric.  Everything about WOW revolves around gear.  Once you get your gear there is no point in doing it.

2) Graphically not as good.

3) No Oceanic based servers.

4) Gold farmers.

5) Ganking of lower levels is possible. In WAR you become a chicken.

6) PvP sucks.  No world PvP and it is all instanced, repeatable and gear centric.  Only 4BG + arena.  There are no large scale objectives, no point to PvP in the persistent world and no actual WAR to fight.  There is really no point to world PvP besides PvE and items.  No PvP progression.

7) PvE + PvP balancing vs PvP balancing foremost in WAR.

8) Every expansion in WOW resets your gear, which is sometimes took tons of hard work to acquire.  You can just jump into a new expansion and be on par with people who spent tons of time working on their gear.  Good for nubs for pointless for people who actually have played a long time.

9) You can't level up efficiently in PvP which you can do in WAR.

Originally posted by tuppe99

I know, you are all getting tired of these WAR vs WoW posts, but really, even though I am getting tired of WoW myself, I still have not seen anything to suggest that WAR will be a step up from WoW. Except for RvR.

Almost all the other features of WoW seem to be superior to WAR's:

1.) Almost open world, with flying mounts where I can land wherever I want in Outland (and Northrend from level 77)

2.) Amazing PvE that is going to get a huge boost in WOTLK

3.) An economy with an AH

4.) A  huge world comparing to other MMOs

5.) Professions that finally became meaningful

In WAR's favour: PvP and that is about it.

Or are there more WAR features that will blow WoW out of the water that I don't know about? (not in the beta, only going on what I read here).

Please understand that I am not a WoW fanboy, in fact I desperately want to leave it for a superior MMO. Just have not seen one yet.

First of all, you are a WoW fanboy.

Orc rogue, Orc Warlock, Gnome Warrior... sounds rubbish.

War will have AH.

War has an even bigger world than WoW.

Amazing PvE? You mean the gear you get becomes crap in the next patch? No thanks.

War gives you action starting from level 1. When you log in, you are in the end game. No grinding whatsoever.

WoW almost open world? Are you kidding me. The PvP and raiding in WoW is all instanced.

So War >>> WoW in every single aspect. Go play WoW if you like it that much, or even come to War and do PQs in your entire career if you are into PvEing.

Thanks for all the replies, people. I was worried that WAR was going to turn out to be like AoC, because that game was hyped by beta testers to such an extent that I left WoW for it.

I was really looking forward to a brand new world, because I thought I would go insane if I had to level another character up through areas like Un'Goro crater. So, after reaching level 22 or so in AoC, I realised what a piece of crap that was and back to WoW I went.

What everybody here has to say about WAR makes me want to leave WoW behind again.

I sincerely hope that Mythic realises that they have a golden opportunity here to make a positive contribution to the genre and that they don't screw it up by not being open to their customer base in the way that Funcom was.

We don't have too long to wait. Yay!

I read this post and am amazed at all the hate.

To the WOW lovers stay there  and play I really do not care.

To the warhammer lovers buy the game and play it. 

It is all a matter of an individuals likes dislkes that determines what you like.

Currently WOW is a more developed game but having been in WOW at CB to launch.  WOW's launch was a disaster if you were playing back then. How soon we all forget.

I personally will play Warhammer  Online as I had fun.